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Stanley Covington
01-02-2017, 2:52 AM
The most curious style of sawtooth seen anywhere in the world is the Edome style used for Japanese saws. I have attached a diagram below. It is characterized by having an additional facet cut into the point of the tooth. Before I dive deeper into the Edome tooth, I would like to make some opening points about the objective of this post, and some general observations related to saws and wood.

The purpose of this post is for information only. I will only explain one variety of sawtooth and a bit of history surrounding its development. If Japanese saws, or Japanese history, offend your tender sensibilities in any way, please close this post immediately, step away from your computer, and see your healthcare professional ASAP.

There is no profit motive here. This information will be worth every penny you pay for it. My profession is managing the design and construction of large commercial building projects in Japan, not selling saws. I do sell a few tools on the side, but have never sold a saw of any variety to anyone. No one pays me for my scribbling about woodworking or woodworking tools. No one pays me to teach them how to use tools or how to make stuff, other than commercial buildings.

The purpose of this post is not argument. Sadly, too many SC members exhibit chronic reading-comprehension difficulties. Some seem to enjoy argument, combined with posturing, personal insults, and religious denigration. If you are inclined to such juvenile and/or trollish behavior, immediately move along to another thread, perhaps one about sharpening... there is nothing here for you.

A few facts you might find interesting. Did you know that the majority of handsaws sold throughout not only Asia, but also Europe and the Americas nowadays are Japanese-style pull saws with replaceable blades, and that all of those have Japanese-style teeth?

Why do they sell so well? I believe that it isn't because of fashion, but because of performance. Compared to other types of saws on the market, they cut more accurately and efficiently, they are easier and quicker to sharpen (simply replace the dull blade with a new one), and they are more cost-effective. But don't take my word for it. Do the research yourself. Perform some objective hands-on tests. Measure the results. Do the calculations. Until you spend the money and time, and make the effort necessary to confirm their qualities for yourself, your opinion on the subject is as insubstantial as air.

Did you know that the vast majority of wood cut with handsaws around the world is not hardwoods such as oak, maple and beech, but softwoods such as pine, cedar, and fir? So why would you want all your saws to have teeth designed to cut harder hardwoods efficiently, but softwoods less efficiently?

If you are concerned about the relative fragility of Japanese teeth, you should be. They are more easily broken and bent when used ham handedly than the squatter teeth common to Western-style saws. Japan is a group of mountainous islands with few natural resources beyond abundant fresh water and softwood forests. No surprise that the style of tooth used in Japanese saws was developed to cut these softwoods. The more fragile Japanese sawtooth works perfectly for the majority of wood cut with handsaws around the world. But of course, not all woods. A craftsman is wise to match the saw to the job. Just like you wouldn't use a formula 1 car to tow a cement mixer, or a Ram 3500 truck to race through the streets of Monte Carlo, you shouldn't use a conventional fine-toothed dozuki to make deep cuts in ebony or crosscut 4x8 sheets of plywood. A Dodge Ram 3500 is perfect for transporting your little red race car to the starting line at Monte Carlo. This analogy applies to many tools.

If you are concerned about Japanese saws being difficult to sharpen, you should be. But as in all human endeavors, difficulty is relative. What's too hard for a ten year old boy to accomplish is often easier for a more experienced, determined, careful adult. With the right files, a saw vise, and some practice, most people can learn to sharpen a Japanese saw adequately (except the induction-hardened ones, of course). As you would expect, a professional saw sharpener will do a better job than the average carpenter. There is nothing wrong with not being willing or able to sharpen a Japanese saw like a professional. But in my experience, those who say it can't be done have either not tried to do it, or don't have the patience to do it properly.

However, the difficulty of sharpening Japanese saws, and to some extent even the fragility of their teeth, became instantly irrelevant with the introduction of replaceable sawblades.

So, let's get to the meat of the subject, the Edome sawtooth.

"Edo" 江戸 (pronounced "Ehdo") is the old name for Tokyo. "Me" 目 (pronounced "meh") means “eye” but in the case of saws, it refers to a saw tooth. Therefore, Edome 江戸目 is a style of sawtooth associated with old Edo.

Professor Hirasawa (RIP) and Professor Hoshino at the Tokyo University of Agriculture have done the most extensive and in-depth research on the subject of handsaws in Japan. You should see Professor Hoshino's impressive collection of literally tens of thousands of saws. Literally tons of antiques. According to Professor Hirasawa, the Edome tooth was developed in Edo around the beginning of the Tokugawa Shogunate when Tokugawa Ieyasu united the many feudal clans of Japan (through bloody-handed conquest) into one nation in 1603, more or less.

As a consequence of the relocation of the capital from Kyoto to the far away and relatively undeveloped Kanto plains, a new castle and many government buildings were quickly needed. The Shogun also demanded, on pain-of-death, that all the clans and lords construct large and expensive residences and facilities in Edo. In order to guarantee good behavior, they were also required to submit hostages to be housed in these Edo residences for most of the year. The clan leaders and lords were also required to spend several months of every year in residence in Edo, traveling back and forth from their fiefs and lands several times a year in prescribed and expensive processions. One of Shogun Tokugawa Ieyasu's objectives in these severe demands was to cause the warlike clans and stiff-necked lords to spend a lot of their disposable income on construction projects and travel rather than on their more traditional hobbies such as war preparations and fun things like grabbing land and cutting off heads. All these changes caused construction in Edo to boom for a long long time. Primarily wood construction, of course. Good for construction companies, craftsmen, and nation-building, but not so good for feudal lords looking for a glorious dust-up.

With extended peace, the population in Japan boomed. Craftsmen of all varieties were in high demand in Edo, of course. Just as better axes and saws were required to build homes, cities, and towns in North America, better, more efficient tools were demanded by Japanese craftsmen to help them build Edo. Those improvements were developed by the craftsmen themselves, not a designer in Philly or London. The Edome sawtooth was one of those improvements, and according to Professor Hirasawa, it probably occurred early in the Edo period (1603-1868).

No one knows for certain how the Edome tooth was developed, but I like the theory that the extra bevel at the tooth's tip was first added by carpenters who needed to quickly touch up and restore the sharpness of their saws in the field, kind of like the secondary bevel some folks use on their plane and chisel blades. If you look at old saws with Edome teeth, you will notice that many of them have only sharp, uneven stubs remaining. A professional saw sharpener would not do this, but would instead reshape and cut deeper gullets restoring the teeth to the proper shape. But in the field, a carpenter can resharpen an Edome saw quickly and easily by just touching up the tip facet with a file. That's only one small facet to file per tooth. Easy peasy. Obviously, the teeth can become pretty short after a lot of these impromptu sharpenings, and the gullets will not be able to hold as much sawdust. Not necessarily a bad thing when cutting hardwoods, BTW. Give it a try. You will be pleasantly surprised with the results.

I can identify five obvious advantages to the Edome sawtooth:

1. The Edome tooth is effectively shorter than a regular Japanese triangular tooth (Ikedame or Ibarame, for instance), and therefore better supported, and therefore relatively more resistant to bending and breaking. A simple stress diagram will show this to be obvious.

2. The geometry of the Edome tooth has more support for the sawtooth's extreme tip (where nearly all the actual cutting is done) than a regular triangular tooth. This is obvious. The result is that the saw's tip stays sharper longer, and requires fewer major repairs.

3. The Edome tooth cuts better. Less scratching and plowing, and more severing. If you doubt this, run a sharp Edome saw, carefully, over a callus on your hand or foot and feel how it cuts. Repeat this test with a regular triangular tooth saw. You will find that the Edome cuts cleanly and deeply, both on the pull and push, while the triangular tooth sawblade will catch and tear as the sharp points dig in, stall, then jump. You might want to have a bandaid handy when you do this. I think this improved cutting capability is due to the relatively more obtuse (less-pointy) third facet keeping the teeth from digging into the wood deeper than they can effectively cut, while at the same time providing a cutting edge that stays in contact with the wood for a longer period of time, continuing the fiber-severing cut even after the extreme tip has passed by. I suspect it would take some serious time-lapse photography combined with a strain-gauge apparatus to prove or disprove this viewpoint scientifically. On the other hand, a cut callous doesn't lie.

4. The sawblade tends to cut longer. Let's analyze this. Sawteeth become dull in two ways. (1) The cutting-edge bevels dull; or (2) The tips bend or break off. When the tip of a regular triangular tooth dulls, bends or breaks, that tooth stops cleanly severing wood fibers and starts to gouge, scratch, and plow its way through the wood because the fiber-severing action relies mostly on a sharp tip. The Edome tooth effectively has a wider tip, not as easily bent, broken, or dulled, and even if the extreme tip dulls, the sharp remainder of tip facet can still keep cutting.

5. The Edome sawblade tends to bind less in the cut on the return stroke because the extra bevel is ideally suited to severing proud fibers in the kerf on the backstroke. In other words, the fuzz that remains in the kerf, increasing friction on the sawblade, is severed on the return stroke by this additional tooth facet more effectively than the back side of a regular tooth can sever it. The result is that the blade experiences less friction. This is a big deal for Japanese pull saws because, having a relatively thinner blade, they more easily buckle and kink on the backstroke.

The disadvantages to the Edome sawtooth are that it takes an extra step to sharpen each tooth, and it takes careful attention to keep the tips all in a straight line without ups and downs.

In conclusion, the Edome sawtooth is both clever, and effective. Give it a try.

Stan
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Stewie Simpson
01-02-2017, 4:48 AM
Very interesting Stanley. Appreciate the time taken to include the historical relevance.

Stewie.

Frederick Skelly
01-02-2017, 6:15 AM
Another fascinating post! Thank you Stan.

I enjoy using my 2 Dozuki saws and my (novice-with-Japanese-tools) experience is consistent with your points. I work mostly in softwoods.

Fred

Pat Barry
01-02-2017, 7:40 AM
Interesting! I will be looking at my two pull saws to see if they use the Edome tooth design

Brian Holcombe
01-02-2017, 8:03 AM
Great post Stan!

Steve Pippins
01-02-2017, 9:37 AM
Stan, thanks. Very interesting,

Steve

Stanley Covington
01-02-2017, 9:52 AM
Stan, thanks. Very interesting,

Steve

Thanks, Steve. Nice to know it was appreciated.

Stan

Stanley Covington
01-02-2017, 9:55 AM
Thanks, Stewie. Do you use saws with the Edome tooth?

I assume there are a lot of Japanese saws available in your neck of the woods, but I have never been to Australia, and now little about woodworking there. Are they popular?

Stan

Stanley Covington
01-02-2017, 9:56 AM
Interesting! I will be looking at my two pull saws to see if they use the Edome tooth design

Thanks, Pat. Please let us know the results of your examination, and if you have the time, cut a callous or two and tell us how it goes!:)

Stan

Stanley Covington
01-02-2017, 9:57 AM
Great post Stan!

Brian;

Thanks. High praise indeed coming from you!

Stan

Stanley Covington
01-02-2017, 9:59 AM
Another fascinating post! Thank you Stan.

I enjoy using my 2 Dozuki saws and my (novice-with-Japanese-tools) experience is consistent with your points. I work mostly in softwoods.

Fred

Thanks, Fred.

What sort of cuts do you use your dozuki saws for? Why two? Both kaeba saws?

Stan

Oskar Sedell
01-02-2017, 10:18 AM
great post! Thanks for taking the time Stan.

Frederick Skelly
01-02-2017, 10:21 AM
Hi Stan.
I have one for rip and one for crosscut. Do I remember correctly that kaeba = replaceable blades? Both of mine are. I find myself reaching more and more for them over my western (LV) saws for small cuts. They start and cut more cleanly for relatively short, straight cuts in soft wood. I thought that was just me, until I read your post today. Now it makes more sense.

I'm still trying to get the hang of them for joinery but I think that's just a matter of practice. I'm definitely glad I added them to my toolbox.

Fred

Brian Holcombe
01-02-2017, 10:25 AM
Brian;

Thanks. High praise indeed coming from you!

Stan

Stan, a friend and I recently pruned an overgrown gumi tree reducing something to the effect of five trunks down to a more visually appealing pair of trunks, some of which were about 6" diameter. Of course we did so with Edome pattern tooth saws. The work progressed very quickly, a chainsaw was available and went unused.

Stanley Covington
01-02-2017, 10:31 AM
Hi Stan.
I have one for rip and one for crosscut. Do I remember correctly that kaeba = replaceable blades? Both of mine are. I find myself reaching more and more for them over my western (LV) saws for small cuts. They start and cut more cleanly for relatively short, straight cuts in soft wood. I thought that was just me, until I read your post today. Now it makes more sense.

I'm still trying to get the hang of them for joinery but I think that's just a matter of practice. I'm definitely glad I added them to my toolbox.

Fred

Sorry, yes kaeba means replaceable blades. I they are dozuki saws, then they are probably not Edome teeth. Correct?

Stan

Chet R Parks
01-02-2017, 10:55 AM
Stan,
Thank you for the vary interesting history and the time involved in your unselfish contribution. About 2 years ago I started using the big box store variety of Japanese saws (Shark Saw) and never looked back. I know there not the best but do vary well for me. I learned vary quickly about using a light touch. Thanks again.
Chet

Frederick Skelly
01-02-2017, 10:55 AM
Sorry, yes kaeba means replaceable blades. I they are dozuki saws, then they are probably not Edome teeth. Correct?

Stan

Sorry Stan. I'm probably missing something important in your post. The teeth look like the ones in the original picture you posted, in that they are fairly long, fine teeth that are sharpened on 3 sides. If it helps, mine are the Gyokucho Razorsaws.

Fred

Stanley Covington
01-02-2017, 11:01 AM
Sorry Stan. I'm probably missing something important in your post. The teeth look like the ones in the original picture you posted, in that they are fairly long, fine teeth that are sharpened on 3 sides. If it helps, mine are the Gyokucho Razorsaws.

Fred

Fred;

Sounds like Edome teeth, alright. Edome are not very common for dozuki, in my experience (not that I have seen every brand). Hard to make 24~32 TPI with Edome teeth. But there is no reason why it could not be done by machine.

Cheers

Stanley Covington
01-02-2017, 11:04 AM
Stan,
Thank you for the vary interesting history and the time involved in your unselfish contribution. About 2 years ago I started using the big box store variety of Japanese saws (Shark Saw) and never looked back. I know there not the best but do vary well for me. I learned vary quickly about using a light touch. Thanks again.
Chet

You are indeed welcome Chet. Have fun with your Shark Saws. Chinese or Japanese made?

Stan

Chet R Parks
01-02-2017, 11:08 AM
Stan, you made me go look :) The saw reads Made in Japan

Stanley Covington
01-02-2017, 11:34 AM
Stan, you made me go look :) The saw reads Made in Japan

Thanks for looking, Chet. They seem to be wholesaled by a company called Hanada, probably Japanese, but their website doesn't say where the saws are made.

I have seen some Japanese style saws labeled Made in China and sold in Home Despot in past years, and the sight always bothers me. A manufacturer of the automated tools that makes Japanese sawblades in Japan once told me that some of their used machines had been bought by a Chinese company and shipped to China, and that they were very nervous about the long-term negative impression a low-quality Chinese product would create towards Japanese-style saws.

Glad to learn you bought a good one.

Stan

Ray Selinger
01-02-2017, 1:09 PM
Thank you for the effort.We sometimes use pruning saws to quarter moose. I bought mine at Lee Valley. Guess what tooth pattern .

Pat Barry
01-02-2017, 5:21 PM
Thanks, Pat. Please let us know the results of your examination, and if you have the time, cut a callous or two and tell us how it goes!:)

Stan
My double sided SharkSaw has the Edome tooth geometry on the cross-cut teeth but the Rockler Dozuki has teeth that are too fine for me to make out without a microscope.

Phil Mueller
01-02-2017, 7:35 PM
Thank you Stan. Your periodic pass down of knowledge is very much appreciated!

michael langman
01-02-2017, 9:21 PM
Stan, Thank You for your posts. I find them interesting and enjoyable to read.

Is an Edome saw blade a good blade for cutting dovetails, and tenons, and if so how many teeth per inch would be good for those uses?

Do they crosscut and rip as well in each task?

Nicholas Lawrence
01-02-2017, 9:58 PM
A few facts you might find interesting. Did you know that the majority of handsaws sold throughout not only Asia, but also Europe and the Americas nowadays are Japanese-style pull saws with replaceable blades, and that all of those have Japanese-style teeth?

Why do they sell so well? I believe that it isn't because of fashion, but because of performance. Compared to other types of saws on the market, they cut more accurately and efficiently, they are easier and quicker to sharpen (simply replace the dull blade with a new one), and they are more cost-effective. But don't take my word for it. Do the research yourself. Perform some objective hands-on tests. Measure the results. Do the calculations. Until you spend the money and time, and make the effort necessary to confirm their qualities for yourself, your opinion on the subject is as insubstantial as air.

Did you know that the vast majority of wood cut with handsaws around the world is not hardwoods such as oak, maple and beech, but softwoods such as pine, cedar, and fir? So why would you want all your saws to have teeth designed to cut harder hardwoods efficiently, but softwoods less efficiently?



An excellent post. Thank you for taking the time to share the information.

My first saw was an impulse hardened japanese style saw from the hardware store. You are probably right about their advantages, and I built a bunch of stuff with that saw, but I have shifted over the years to western style saws. My decision was not performance based, but because I just find it easier to have all western style (push as opposed to pull) tools on a western bench. Making a quick cut with a bench hook is easy with a western saw. With the japanese saw I always was trying to figure out how to hold whatever I wanted to cut securely (usually with a clamp, which I would need to take off and put away 30 seconds after pulling it out.

I imagine the japanese have clever ways of holding the work that have never occurred to me (and all my reference books are western oriented). If you have time someday to share some insights on the japanese style benches, I am sure many of us would find it very interesting and useful.

Brian Holcombe
01-02-2017, 10:19 PM
Nicholas, I just use a stop. If a stop is not available I use my foot clamp or just hold it tight to my bench, floor or saw bench.

Christopher Charles
01-03-2017, 1:02 AM
Stan,

Thanks for the post. Best to you in the new year.

Chris

Robert Hazelwood
01-03-2017, 9:25 AM
I find I can simply flip my bench hooks around so that they hook on the opposite side of the bench, or in the gap between top slabs. But they also work in the normal position just fine, really, especially for finer cuts like a tenon shoulder. Doesn't take much pushing force from your off hand to hold them steady while you saw.

I've been very impressed with my Gyokucho saws...initially I was shy about using them in harder woods, but as I've come to use them more I've not experienced any problems. My big 300mm ryoba has recently seen some use with crosscutting, ripping and resawing of white oak, hickory, and hard maple with no damage. I was able to get cleaner, more accurate cuts than with a 6 ppi KeenKutter, and a bit faster, too. These cuts were made with the workpieces upright in the vise. I think the big western saw would fare better with the workpiece down on a sawbench, where you can really get your weight into it.

Anyways, mainly just wanted to chime in that readily available, reasonably priced saws seem to work just fine in the harder north american woods.

michael langman
01-03-2017, 11:36 AM
Hi Stanley, I realize my previous questions were kind of silly sounding. I was thinking that the Edome tooth was specific to a certain type of saw and was different then most of the the Japanese pull saws.

I have answered my own questions looking up Japanese saws online. Thankyou.

Stanley Covington
01-12-2017, 8:54 PM
Stan, Thank You for your posts. I find them interesting and enjoyable to read.

Is an Edome saw blade a good blade for cutting dovetails, and tenons, and if so how many teeth per inch would be good for those uses?

Do they crosscut and rip as well in each task?

Michael

Sorry to be slow in responding.

The Edome tooth style works best for crosscut work. When cutting directly in line with the grain, it will not cut as well as a rip saw. So for cutting tenon cheeks, I think you will find a rip saw works best.

For tenon shoulders, edome will work fine.

When cutting dovetails, you are cutting partially with and partially across the grain, so an edome saw might work well, or might wander, depending on the wood and angles. I tend to use a rip saw, either of the dozuki style with a back for softwoods, or a Western tenon/dovetail saw for hardwoods for cutting dovetail joints.

The TPI is a matter of personal preference, and there are no hard rules. Finer teeth cut slower, are more fragile, and are more difficult to sharpen, but they are easier to control for precise cuts. Its really a balance of cost/speed/precision, factors which are heavily influenced by the variety of wood being cut, the details of the cuts being made, and the workman's skills. I can make suggestions if you give me more details.

The saws a carpenter uses to build a house are not the same as the saws the joiner uses to make the doors and windows, which in turn are not the same as the saws used by the craftsman that make the furniture that go into the house. That said, handsaws don't see much use for any of these activities by professionals anymore, sad to say. My point is that the saw and its teeth need to be matched to the work.

Stan

Stanley Covington
01-12-2017, 9:14 PM
I find I can simply flip my bench hooks around so that they hook on the opposite side of the bench, or in the gap between top slabs. But they also work in the normal position just fine, really, especially for finer cuts like a tenon shoulder. Doesn't take much pushing force from your off hand to hold them steady while you saw.

I've been very impressed with my Gyokucho saws...initially I was shy about using them in harder woods, but as I've come to use them more I've not experienced any problems. My big 300mm ryoba has recently seen some use with crosscutting, ripping and resawing of white oak, hickory, and hard maple with no damage. I was able to get cleaner, more accurate cuts than with a 6 ppi KeenKutter, and a bit faster, too. These cuts were made with the workpieces upright in the vise. I think the big western saw would fare better with the workpiece down on a sawbench, where you can really get your weight into it.

Anyways, mainly just wanted to chime in that readily available, reasonably priced saws seem to work just fine in the harder north american woods.

Robert:

I agree with you. Like Derek said in another thread, twisting the plate is a common cause for tooth breakage. Western saws are not as delicate in this regard, but if they pay attention, most people can use a Japanese saw fine in hardwoods. And an expensive saw is not necessary.

I have never broken a tooth of a medium to large Japanese saw when cutting any material, except when I have struck an embedded rock or nail. The same errors would probably not have broken off the tooth of a Western saw.

The problems with using Japanese saws, in my experience, are with the fine-toothed dozuki, which typically do not have Edome teeth, when used to crosscut hardwoods. They can be fragile, and when one tooth breaks in the cut, it will break/dull/damage all the teeth that strike it as they pass by. This can be heartbreaking in the case of an expensive hand-made dozuki saw, not so much for a kaeba saw.

Nothing beats a decent dozuki saw for the job of cutting tenon shoulders and making very precise, shallow crosscuts for joints, but you need to be selective in the woods you use them on.

Actually, for hard oak, maple, African hardwoods and the sort of wood Derek uses constantly, a fine-tooth rip dozuki will do just as good a job for precise crosscuts but with significantly less risk of broken teeth.

Stan

Stanley Covington
01-12-2017, 9:35 PM
An excellent post. Thank you for taking the time to share the information.

My first saw was an impulse hardened japanese style saw from the hardware store. You are probably right about their advantages, and I built a bunch of stuff with that saw, but I have shifted over the years to western style saws. My decision was not performance based, but because I just find it easier to have all western style (push as opposed to pull) tools on a western bench. Making a quick cut with a bench hook is easy with a western saw. With the japanese saw I always was trying to figure out how to hold whatever I wanted to cut securely (usually with a clamp, which I would need to take off and put away 30 seconds after pulling it out.

I imagine the japanese have clever ways of holding the work that have never occurred to me (and all my reference books are western oriented). If you have time someday to share some insights on the japanese style benches, I am sure many of us would find it very interesting and useful.

Nicholas:

Sorry to be slow to respond. My day job gets in the way.

I think you can find lots of examples of Japanese style workbenches on the internet. There are videos on Youtube of people using them too. Reference Sashimonoshi.

Since you pull the saw towards you, you just need a stop or two. With my old knees, I don't use a Japanese workbench much anymore, but use a Western-style bench with a leg vice and holes for dogs. Two brass dogs work fine as stops for sawing. I think this is what Brian is referring to. Clamps or holdfasts work well too. The leg vise is very handy. Really not much different from when using Western saws, but I find I can get by with fewer widgets to hold stuff when using Japanese saws. I have a benchhook, but can't remember the last time I used it. Its been years.

I like Western saws, and find them more efficient for some jobs and some materials. Weight and space permitting, I always have a Disston crosscut and rip handsaw when doing carpentry work.They are just better for some jobs, and are often easier on the back and knees. I prefer my old Disston No.9 backsaw, or Jackson Cast Steel dovetails saw, or newer Lie-Nielson for cutting dovetails and angled joints in hardwoods. They cut slower, but they provide better control for me. But there are some jobs for which the Japanese saws are simply superior, especially the dozuki saws, so I need both varieties.

Patrick McCarthy
01-12-2017, 9:51 PM
Stan, first of all, sorry I am late to the party; I have no idea how I missed this thread for the past 10 days!

Second, thank you AGAIN for sharing your knowledge. Like many others here, it is very much appreciated by me, and I am thankful for the time and effort you put forth on our behalf.

My very best regards, Patrick

michael langman
01-13-2017, 12:39 PM
Stanley, Thank You for your explanation to my questions, much appreciated.

Michael

Jim Koepke
01-13-2017, 12:51 PM
And another thanks for mentioning the correct way to hold and use these saws.

I have used one of my pull saws a bit over the past week to breakdown a bunch of pieces and found it much easier to use and more accurate than my past experiences.

Not likely to get me away from my western saws though.

jtk