How to sell a tool safely.

[Brian Kent]

Assuming that I do not keep my midi lathe, I want it to be good news and not bad for the next owner. I would really prefer it to go to someone who is experienced or being trained in lathe safety. I also want it to go to someone who is not naive about costs.

A couple of things I thought of: I live near Palomar College and could offer it to a Palomar College Woodworking student at the advice of an instructor, confirming this student has had basic training.

I could sell it through the San Diego Wood Turners, with some kind of references that the person has had some basic training.

It is not just a matter of legal liability - I don't want to hurt anyone.

Any other recommendations on how to find out if a person knows lathe operations & safety before receiving it? I would far rather give someone a super deal if they will enjoy a safe hobby, than just go on Craigslist.

Thanks

[John Grace]

While your motives are laudable, I think I'd offer a spin on an old favorite and say 'let the seller beware'. At the end of the day, you still have nothing more to go on than a trusting face and well-said story. That said...based on what you wrote above, I'd think offering the unit through a turning club raises your chances as well as you could hope for. Good luck...

[Barry McFadden]

I believe you're overthinking this. It's like not selling a car to someone until they can prove they are a good driver.....

[Brian Kent]

It is my personality to overthink everything. It's what I do. Especially when I am buying a tool or planning the steps in a project. But selling too.

[Doug W Swanson]

If you are worried about selling it to a trained turner, I would try the turning club first. If there are no takers, I'd put it on Craigslist and just let it go. I bought my lathe used and did quite a few projects with no formal training before I found out about the local turning club. There are so many videos and websites available that the new owner should be just fine...

[Len Mullin]

Brian, when you bought your first lathe, how much of a test did you have to go through to prove that the seller should sell to you? Personally, I thin k your worrying is just a bit of foolishness. If items were sold on the basis of this posting, we would all be doing nothing but taking tests to prove something. Can you imagine the line-ups that would cause, list it on craigs-list and be done with it.
Len

[Steve Peterson]

I believe you're overthinking this. It's like not selling a car to someone until they can prove they are a good driver.....

I agree with Barry. The type of person looking to buy a lathe is probably a bit more experienced than the average guy buying a circular saw. If it makes you feel better, then throw in a basic book about woodturning. You should be well past the point of needing it.

Steve

[Bruce Page]

I have a shop full of dangerous machinery. I was interested to learn how to use them but no one ever asked me if I was qualified. Frankly, I would be a little offended if someone grilled me to see if I was.
When I sell a tool, or a car, I assume no responsibility for the buyer's safety. As Freddie Prinze used to say on Chico and the Man, "That's not my job"

[Brian Kent]

Most controversial post in the universe.

Just looking out for the next woodworker. Training is a good thing, so I am just looking in the directions that maximize the chance of a trained student or experienced adult getting the tool. No I am not going to be an idiot and "grill" them or make them take a test. There are a couple of kids who will not get a free lathe, one because he can't afford any of the accompanying tools and and another because I know he could hurt himself.

So it is my tool and my personal right to choose the path that will be the safest and most helpful for somebody else, and not just for me.

[Perry Hilbert Jr]

in the overall scheme of things a lathe is pretty far down the list of statisticly harmful items. In just this county alone, we lose a farmer a year to an overturned tractor.

[Frederick Skelly]

There are a couple of kids who will not get a free lathe, one because he can't afford any of the accompanying tools and and another because I know he could hurt himself.

So it is my tool and my personal right to choose the path that will be the safest and most helpful for somebody else, and not just for me.

Brian,
You're right, of course. If I knew a kid well enough to feel certain that he was really gonna hurt himself, I wouldn't sell it to him. I wouldnt want his injury on my conscience. I get that part. I mean, let's face it - there are a few people who have no business around machinery.

But the second part? I bought my lathe recently from a college kid. He didnt have much money but got on youtube and made a couple tools for cheap, and enjoyed the hobby until he went away to school. So having little money actually motivated him to learn something new! (Necessity being the mother of invention.)

And he sold it to ME, who had never even turned on a lathe. I've been getting a lot of advice here and elsewhere, reading recommended books, etc. I believe Im working safely. I hope to learn enough to enjoy another facet of my woodworking hobby. .... seems like it would have been a shame to exclude me.

Just something to mull around a bit....

Best regards,
Fred

[John K Jordan]

Brian,

You might do what I did with my first lathe. I gave it to a friend, but I also gave him lessons in turning and safety, gave him a couple of old tools, and showed him how to sharpen. If selling to a stranger, you could offer the same training, perhaps sneak it in with "you should try it out before you buy it." If he or she ovbiously has zero experience a few pointers might be appreciated. But even if not, how many of us got the first lathe having never touched one? I know I did.

Another great use for an unneeded lathe is to donate it. Someone donated a Jet mini to a children's ranch where our club is setting up a turning shop and teaching classes. This can be tax deductable!

There is also a lot to be said for keeping it as a second lathe if you can make room. I currently have a PM3520b and a Jet 1642 in my shop and another 1642 and couple of Jet minis I can pull in as needed. This allows me to have several students in at once.

But even with no students the second lathe is handy when a friend comes to play, when I need to turn a jam chuck or something, to turn a second piece to a project without removing the first, to test fit the morse tapers I turn on the ends of thin spindles without having to knock out the drive center, for cutting threads, and it could happen one day: your primary lathe may quit working! The last one happened to me a couple of years ago and it was great to have the second lathe in the shop.

JKJ

[William C Rogers]

I agree with the others. Even someone with training is no guarantee of safety. Things happen even to experience wood turners. I would offer it through the turning club, but there will never be a for sure thing. I just saw a piece come out of a chuck being turned by an experienced turner. Not serious, but did hurt him.

[John Keeton]

Brian, I think your motives are good and I fully understand your concerns. But, (you knew there would be a "but" didn't you!) I do think this has to be viewed relative to all the other dangers life presents. The reality is that our vehicles are far more inherently dangerous than our lathes, yet we give no thought to selling them or trading them in with absolutely no knowledge about the driving habits of potential future owners. One could extend this to several other situations. I think the best plan is to make a "reasonable" inquiry of a buyer and provide a general warning that the buyer needs to get instruction in its use if they have no experience. I hope you will be happy with whatever choice you make.

[Brian Kent]

Thanks everybody. Just one more thing. When I sell my bazookas and rocket launchers, are there any forms I need to fill out? Thanks.

[paul cottingham]

Brian, you could just give it to me. I promise not to hurt myself. Problem solved.

No need to thank me.

:-)

[Brian Kent]

Brian, you could just give it to me. I promise not to hurt myself. Problem solved.
No need to thank me.
:-)

Super. When will you drop by to pick it up?

[John Keeton]

Thanks everybody. Just one more thing. When I sell my bazookas and rocket launchers, are there any forms I need to fill out? Thanks.You may be shocked at the answer to that question!!!:D And, NSA, in the event you, the FBI, CIA, State Dept, are monitoring this thread, please note and disregard the comedic response by Rev. Kent!!!

[Prashun Patel]

Lat(h)e to the party here, but +1 for caveat emptor.

Also, I suspect an experienced turner would likely have already started with a midi lathe and is looking to upgrade. You'd probably be limiting your audience by putting the constraint of experience on the purchaser.

[Bruce Waters]

What if you gave it away along with one free lesson to go with it. That way you could go over how to set it up and insure key safety issues were covered.

You might want to include a free full face shield. I bet few young men have one in their possession and while they might say they would get one, I bet they would attempt to turn before acquiring one.

[Frederick Skelly]

Thanks everybody. Just one more thing. When I sell my bazookas and rocket launchers, are there any forms I need to fill out? Thanks.

Yes. There are forms. But you're not allowed to sell stuff like that in Cali, anyway. :D

[Len Mullin]

Yes. There are forms. But you're not allowed to sell stuff like that in Cali, anyway. :D


Not legally, but, you can still get them.

[Keith Westfall]

What if you gave it away along with one free lesson to go with it.

Not to be smart or anything, but why do we think that because we learned and turned, we are now qualified to teach safe turning?

Yes it is a nice thing to do, but when I got my midi lathe, I chucked a piece of wood and hit the switch! Watched a lot of videos and just kept trying and trying.

Lots of advice (like this forum) but we make lots of decisions everyday that are a lot more dangerous to ourselves! I too (like a previous post) would be quite offended if someone questioned me when buying something, as I would have no idea on what qualification they had to do so.

Good on you for "trying to do the right thing", but don't overthink it too much...

[Brian Kent]

I found the instructor for the Palomar College Woodworking School, who had beginner students who have had their safety training. Exactly what I was looking for. I gave him my price range, which varies widely depending on the financial situation of the student.

[Brice Rogers]

Brian,

If your solution doesn't work out, consider advertising it through the San Diego Wood Turner's group. Advertising is free for members. You aren't guaranteed that all buyers are going to be skilled in lathe operation, but it is more likely than selling to a person on Craigslist.

[Michael Schneider]

Our club gives scholarships to turning students. Our club is a 503c or so any donations are tax deductible. It would go to a good place, and you would get a tax deduction.

Food for thought.
Michael

[Brian Kent]

Even though this ended up being an unusual post, I am so happy. A young man from Palomar College Lathe II class bought the lathe. His lathe instructor told me both what a good guy he is and that he has all of the basics down pat. What a nice guy! I expect to see him at San Diego Wood Turners and on the Creek.