1/16" cutter for a record 44?

[Joe Kasier]

I am making a jewelry box, and I want the lid to be frame around glass. I'm using a 5x7 pane from a picture frame which is 1.8mm thick. I was thinking of just ploughing a groove and sliding it in, but the smallest groove I can make with my record44 is 1/8"

Are there smaller cutters available? Either 1/16 or 2mm? I searched around eBay, but I didn't see any. Any other ideas on how to secure the glass in a frame?

(Other than cutting a rebate. I think it would look sloppy using glaziers)

[Ray Bohn]

I bought a set that included 1/8", and since he makes them himself I am sure he can provide a 1/16". Someone with a better memory than I will respond. I will see if I can locate the vendor in the meantime.

[Ray Bohn]

I am pretty sure it was Ray Iles (iles). Not sure he has a personal web site, but his blades are sold by several vendors.
Do a search for Ray Iles replacement blades and you should find what you need.
The blades may need some work, but they are small so it doesn't take much time.

[Bill Houghton]

Will the skate from a Record 044 fit in a 1/16" groove?

[Joe Kasier]

Will the skate from a Record 044 fit in a 1/16" groove?

I hadn't thought about that, and now that I do I doubt it will

I guess I will need a different solution

[Charles Murray Ohio]

Depending on how deep it is you might be able to scratch it in, or cut the 1/8" groove then glue in a 1/16" filler of a contrasting wood to make it look like it's part of the design. Put clear packing tape on the scrap piece you will use to wedge the filler in place while the glue dries. Plane it flush, then tell everyone you worked hard on that design.

[steven c newman]

How wide a kerf does a handsaw cut? Maybe clamp a couple battens to guide a crosscut saw to make the groove? Would need to set up a depth stop, and a way to keep the cut level....

[Patrick Chase]

I am making a jewelry box, and I want the lid to be frame around glass. I'm using a 5x7 pane from a picture frame which is 1.8mm thick. I was thinking of just ploughing a groove and sliding it in, but the smallest groove I can make with my record44 is 1/8"

Could you plow it to 1/8" and insert matching shims of appropriate thickness behind the glass? The difference between the glass and a 1/8" groove is 1.4 mm, so it should be possible to adequately hide the resulting seams since they would be so close to the back glass<->frame boundary. The advantage of doing that rather than a rabbet is that you can avoid having visible seams along the bottom perimeter of the lid that show when it's open.

[Patrick Chase]

How wide a kerf does a handsaw cut? Maybe clamp a couple battens to guide a crosscut saw to make the groove? Would need to set up a depth stop, and a way to keep the cut level....

Depends on the saw, but for the most part "not wide enough". 1.8 mm is 71 mils. A typical tenon saw might leave a 30-35 mil kerf (including set). Also I'd be a bit concerned about edge quality even if you score before cutting.

[Patrick Chase]

Depends on the saw, but for the most part "not wide enough". 1.8 mm is 71 mils. A typical tenon saw might leave a 30-35 mil kerf (including set). Also I'd be a bit concerned about edge quality even if you score before cutting.

It occurs to me that what you want here may be a slightly-wider-than-normal kerfing plane (http://www.theunpluggedwoodshop.com/the-kerfing-plane-part-one.html) (though that's a lot of work and/or money for a one-shot tool).

[Joe Kasier]

Thanks everyone. I thought about a saw, but I don't know how clean that will look. I am going to look into clear acrylic. Maybe I can get that at a proper thickness

[Patrick Chase]

Thanks everyone. I thought about a saw, but I don't know how clean that will look. I am going to look into clear acrylic. Maybe I can get that at a proper thickness

Acrylic is significantly less scratch-resistant than glass.

[Jim Koepke]

Thanks everyone. I thought about a saw, but I don't know how clean that will look. I am going to look into clear acrylic. Maybe I can get that at a proper thickness

How about two layers of glass?

jtk

[John Schtrumpf]

One thing to keep in mind. Finishing with a captured panel. without getting finish on the panel. can be a pain in the neck.

The acrylic panel in this clock is held in with saw kerfs on the sides, cleaned up with sandpaper:

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(clock made with drill, backsaw and sandpaper)

Veritas has a 1/16 blade for their router plane, there also might be stringing tools that do 1/16.

[Mike Lemon]

Why not grind down a larger cutter?

[Anthony Moumar]

I've used my Lee Valley Router plane with the fence to make 2mm groves in small boxes. It's a bit slow but it works well. They also sell a 1/16" blade for it.

[Warren Mickley]

I made a beech Roubo bouvet to plough 5/64 grooves about 35 years ago. My iron is only narrow for the bottom 1/4 inch. This type of plough gives nicer grooves than a skated plough.
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Keep in mind that one reason we usually use a rabbet for glass is for ease of repair. It is a lot of trouble to take apart joinery if the glass should break.

[Jim Koepke]

Why not grind down a larger cutter?

Howdy Mike and welcome to the Creek.

If the skate on the plane may be too wide to accommodate a 1/16" blade.

It might be possible to grind a blade down and then use it by 'floating' the plane above the work and feeding the cutter a bit at a time until the desired depth is obtained. That is a foreboding task if one hasn't done it previously.

jtk

[Robert Engel]

I'm pretty certain I've used 1/16" cutter by separating and using only 1/2 of the skirt plate behind it.

[Joe Kasier]

How about two layers of glass?

I tried that. Too thick for a 1/8, too sloppy for 3/16

I think my best options are arcyril (even if it scratches easier) or find somewhere that can sell me a 1/8 thick piece

[Joe Kasier]

I guess I could also use wood :p

How does PurpleHeart look with maple?

[Jim Koepke]

I tried that. Too thick for a 1/8, too sloppy for 3/16

I think my best options are arcyril (even if it scratches easier) or find somewhere that can sell me a 1/8 thick piece

A side rabbet plane would be able to widen the slot a shaving at a time for a good fit.

Is there a possibility of getting thicker glass?

jtk

[russell lusthaus]

I did something similar - - glass fronted shadow box - and I made the groove wider than my glass was thick, and made up the difference by using a piece of leather folded around the edge of the glass. The leather made up the difference in thickness of the slot compared to the glass and also cushioned the glass in its place from jarring. Worked well for me and if careful when fitting the leather, it adds an interesting look to the finished piece, as the leather was bigger than the slot so it laps over the front of the glass by about a half inch.

Russ

[Patrick Chase]

A side rabbet plane would be able to widen the slot a shaving at a time for a good fit.

Is there a possibility of getting thicker glass?

jtk

I don't know of any side rabbets that can get into a 1/8" slot, never mind 1/16".

[Joe Kasier]

I did something similar - - glass fronted shadow box - and I made the groove wider than my glass was thick, and made up the difference by using a piece of leather folded around the edge of the glass. The leather made up the difference in thickness of the slot compared to the glass and also cushioned the glass in its place from jarring. Worked well for me and if careful when fitting the leather, it adds an interesting look to the finished piece, as the leather was bigger than the slot so it laps over the front of the glass by about a half inch.

Russ


Interesting idea. My groove is going to be 1/4" deep, so I could easily hide some leather in there and you wouldn't see it. I'll play a round with that tonight

[Jim Koepke]

I don't know of any side rabbets that can get into a 1/8" slot, never mind 1/16".

Just went out and measured the sole on one of my side rabbet planes. (Stanley #98) It actually could fit into a 1/8" slot a little deeper than 1/8" due to the bevel on the skate.

It appears that another solution may be what Joe has in mind.

jtk

[Dave Kelley]

My vote would be for a router plane and fence too.

[Patrick Chase]

Just went out and measured the sole on one of my side rabbet planes. (Stanley #98) It actually could fit into a 1/8" slot a little deeper than 1/8" due to the bevel on the skate.

It appears that another solution may be what Joe has in mind.

jtk

Yeah, you're right: If the slot's depth isn't much more than its height then you can ride the bevel. That's true of my Veritas side bevel plane as well.

To be honest I was thinking of the minimum groove width with the plane "all the way in" (at least to the thick end of the blade bevel) when I wrote that. Thanks for pointing out another way of using it.

For that matter you could grind the blade thinner on the "bottom" side to get it to fit into narrower grooves. Maybe time to get an extra set of blades and experiment :-).

[steven c newman]

I'm trying to remember the width of the smallest cutter a 45 had......without going back down to the shop and digging it out. It is the one Stanley did not make with a slot. Rather they cut the cutter a bit short, and let the depth adjuster push on the top of the cutter. To back it back out, sol. You had to loosen everything up and reset from scratch......BRB, I think I can find the little b....sorry, mine is exactly 1/8" wide...