Coring fun for" Creekers"

[Roger Chandler]

I visited Tony De Masi's shop this morning and took a test drive with two coring rig setups. First was the McNaughton system, the second was the Woodcut Bowl Saver system. Let me tell you......hands down, I like the Woodcut Bowl Saver system way better! So much easier, less fatigue, much cleaner cuts, more stable, easier on the turner.......superior system in my book. We had a Oneway Easy Core demo at one of the clubs I belong to a few months ago, so I knew about it from that demo.

Here is Tony at his Robust American Beauty.

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Here is Tony with some of the fine work he does, and some really large, highly figured bowls.
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Needless to say, almost; but I put in a call to Packard Woodworks, spoke with Alan again, and have the latest and largest Woodcut Bowl Saver Max 3 on order. It should be here in just about 3 days.

The trip to Tony's was both educational and fun. Tony is always a gracious host, and I hope I did not displace any of his large rocks on the bank.......I had to park in a tight spot, and fold the mirrors on my truck in to avoid the posts on his deck and a tree on the other side of the truck, so it was pretty much a blind back out, and his driveway was a bit curved. I realized that when the back wheels went up on the bank. :eek::eek::eek: My apologies Tony, if I displaced any rocks on your bank! :confused::o:o

[daryl moses]

Looks like you had a great time Roger. By the looks of those bowls you had a good teacher.
Congrats on your new hollowing system.

[Roger Chandler]

Tony comes into some pretty big wood at times, and a lot of it has great curl and other figure in the grain. It would be a shame to make chips & curlees out of it when one can make nested bowls. I am looking forward to coring out some wood when My unit arrives. Tony was very helpful for sure. Thanks for the congrats, Daryl.

[Dok Yager]

Roger looks like you had a good time and got a great demo as well as seeing some very nice bowls. Congrats on your new coring system. I agree with you my neighbor has a oneway system and I really like it.

[Roger Chandler]

I heard back from Tony last night - no damage to his drive or steps coming up off it -whew! :o:D

The Oneway has the support arm that has to be moved as you go deeper into the cut. The Woodcut Bowl Saver does not need that. The Oneway would be about $350-$450 more with the knives I want, and would bring the cost up around $875, vs. the $469 for the Woodcut Bowl Saver Max3. I am starting out without the Laser, as there are templates for jigs I got from Packard to tell me where the bottom of the bowl will be. If later I want the laser, then I can add it.

That McNaughton system, just left me with a feeling that I did not want a coring rig if that was my only choice! Tony has his up for sale.....can't say I blame him! The Woodcut actually impressed me with its quality, and smooth cuts, and the ease of clearing the chips.

[David C. Roseman]

Roger, great report! The Max 3 model looks very interesting for larger lathes. I'm guessing that's what Tony has. Do you know the length of the post that comes with it? Just wondering if it's long enough for the redesigned banjo on the G0766. The longest shown on Packard's website for the standard model is only 6".

[Roger Chandler]

Roger, great report! The Max 3 model looks very interesting for larger lathes. I'm guessing that's what Tony has. Do you know the length of the post that comes with it? Just wondering if it's long enough for the redesigned banjo on the G0766. The longest shown on Packard's website for the standard model is only 6".
The Robust has a 25" swing-Tony had the earlier version, not the Max3- the specs on the Max3 say it is for large lathes up to 25" -I don't think there will be any issues-Alan @ Packard said if the post is too long, cut it off to fit- I do not think that will be necessary.

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[David C. Roseman]

Thanks, Roger. My only concern is that the post not be too short for the new banjo. Assuming that the system is designed to do its cutting at dead spindle center, the overall length from bottom of the post to the height of the cutter itself will need to be 8-3/4" to have 2" of post inside the neck of the banjo. From the description and artwork on the Packard site, I can't tell how much the cutting unit adds to the length of the post, or if the Max3 comes with a post longer than 6".

One additional thought. Since the Max3 simultaneously locks into the tailstock quill, we might not need the tool rest post to extend quite as far into the banjo neck for sufficient stability.

[John K Jordan]

That McNaughton system, just left me with a feeling that I did not want a coring rig if that was my only choice! Tony has his up for sale.....can't say I blame him! The Woodcut actually impressed me with its quality, and smooth cuts, and the ease of clearing the chips.

I never used it, but I understand there is a learning curve that might be challenging. However, I do know of people who have used it effectively for years. One guy said it just takes some getting used to.

In the spirit of woodturning, you need to buy some system immediately. Of course a true tool junkie would buy several different ones just in case. If your wife is like mine I'm sure she would encourage that!. :)

JKJ

[Michael Cole]

I watched the video and it looks like a great system. Roger, I think you have the same lathe as mine, Grizzly 0766. I don't see the correct post size. How are you dealing with that?

[Roger Chandler]

I watched the video and it looks like a great system. Roger, I think you have the same lathe as mine, Grizzly 0766. I don't see the correct post size. How are you dealing with that?
First thing I did when I got my G0766 was to open up that 25mm hole in the banjo to make it 1 inch. Easy to do, and will take standard American accessories! If you have not done it, I encourage you do do so.........a lot of us G0766 owners made this adjustment with a drill and a 1" twist drill bit, using cutter oil to lubricate the cut.

[Roger Chandler]

Thanks, Roger. My only concern is that the post not be too short for the new banjo. Assuming that the system is designed to do its cutting at dead spindle center, the overall length from bottom of the post to the height of the cutter itself will need to be 8-3/4" to have 2" of post inside the neck of the banjo. From the description and artwork on the Packard site, I can't tell how much the cutting unit adds to the length of the post, or if the Max3 comes with a post longer than 6".

One additional thought. Since the Max3 simultaneously locks into the tailstock quill, we might not need the tool rest post to extend quite as far into the banjo neck for sufficient stability.My unit is in transit, and is in the Roanoke UPS facility at present with scheduled delivery tomorrow. When I get it in, I will post a pic or two with dimensions of the post length for you David. I really do not think there will be an issue, however, but I could be wrong! :rolleyes:

[Roger Chandler]

I never used it, but I understand there is a learning curve that might be challenging. However, I do know of people who have used it effectively for years. One guy said it just takes some getting used to.

In the spirit of woodturning, you need to buy some system immediately. Of course a true tool junkie would buy several different ones just in case. If your wife is like mine I'm sure she would encourage that!. :)

JKJI have seen videos on youtube, read numerous posts/comments about the McNaughton system. I am so glad I put one in my own hands and even with an experienced user at my side, he told me how much better he likes the Woodcut, and after using the McNaughton a lot, was happy with the upgrade to the Woodcut. I could not agree more! In my mind, the McNaughton leaves me wanting for better cuts, less effort to manage the tool, and feeling less secure while using it. To me, the comparison of riding an old buck board without suspension springs, and a fine automobile with a good suspension system sort of indicates my feelings and impressions.

While no coring rig will be without its challenges, the design of this Woodcut Max3 I think, is so far advanced to the McNaughton, that for me at least, is a no brainer.

[Tony De Masi]

Thanks for the visit Roger. Was good to get together with you over some fresh shavings.

[Roger Chandler]

Thanks for the visit Roger. Was good to get together with you over some fresh shavings.
Great to catch up a little, Tony! Do you have any comments on the post length? I think it should be fine for a 22" swing lathe. I know the post support on the Robust is a little higher than our Grizzly 0766's, but I think we will be fine with it.

[Tony De Masi]

Post length is 5 and 7/8 ths.

[Roger Chandler]

Post length is 5 and 7/8 ths.
Yours is not the Max3 system, correct? The Max3 comes with 3 knives, and I think they fasten to the frame in a different way if I saw the pics correctly. The Max3 also does a 17" core..........according to the info on Packard's website it is for lathes up to 25" swing.

edit: I just looked at the Timberly website [Terry Scott] and they list the max size bowl as 18"

http://www.timberlywoodturning.co.nz/products/WoodCut-Big-Max3-Bowl-Saver.html

[David C. Roseman]

Roger, I had a chance to talk to Allen at Packard today, and he took a measurement for us. The Max3 uses its own, different post, not the 6" post used on the standard model. The measurement from bottom of the post to the height of the cutter is 7-3/4". So, by my estimate, that will mean that the post will extend into the neck of the G0766's redesigned banjo only 1". I think that will likely be enough, given the added stability from the tailstock quill. Let us know what you find when yours arrives.

Another solution would be to use your original banjo (with the taller neck) that shipped with the first few G0766s, before Grizzly sent everyone the redesigned banjo kit. That is, if you ordered parts for your original to replace those that were needed to transfer to the new kit. I did that for eight of us here for $21/each. Having the second banjo adds flexibility.

Coincidentally, I was at a turning session at a fellow club member's shop this evening and another member had just received her Max3 system today. She was trying it out. It does look very well made and fairly easy to use.

[Roger Chandler]

Roger, I had a chance to talk to Allen at Packard today, and he took a measurement for us. The Max3 uses its own, different post, not the 6" post used on the standard model. The measurement from bottom of the post to the height of the cutter is 7-3/4". So, by my estimate, that will mean that the post will extend into the neck of the G0766's redesigned banjo only 1". I think that will likely be enough, given the added stability from the tailstock quill. Let us know what you find when yours arrives.

Another solution would be to use your original banjo (with the taller neck) that shipped with the first few G0766s, before Grizzly sent everyone the redesigned banjo kit. That is, if you ordered parts for your original to replace those that were needed to transfer to the new kit. I did that for eight of us here for $21/each. Having the second banjo adds flexibility.

Coincidentally, I was at a turning session at a fellow club member's shop this evening and another member had just received her Max3 system today. She was trying it out. It does look very well made and fairly easy to use.
Thanks for the info, David. Mine is supposed to arrive today sometime, so I will check it out. The fact that there is a tailstock morse taper that locks this whole thing in, and the post locked in, I do not see a problem with it. this keeps the system level, and stable.

[Roger Chandler]

Okay, UPS delivered my new Woodcut Bowl Saver Max3 this afternoon. Here are pics of it on my G0766 with it set up properly, for David and others who were wondering about the post length. It will work just fine with the upgraded banjo that Grizzly sent 0766 owners, and with the 1.25" into the banjo neck and the morse taper 2 in the tailstock, this thing is rock solid.

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I think this Woodcut Bowl Saver Max 3 will be a great addition to my turning arsenal, and will allow me to save figured woods that would have been turned into shavings. In time the investment will pay for itself with sales of the nested bowls and the cost of woods, although most of my wood is harvested by myself and friends. The literature that comes with it says bowls from 3" up to 18" can be cored with this unit. As you can see, it has 3 knives.

This is a quality coring rig for sure! I think it is probably the easiest to use, and has less fatigue factor with it than others, and the cost is significantly less as well than the Oneway Easy Core.

[Clint Bach]

Bump...

got any cored bowls yet?

curious turners want more info on this thing.

C

[Roger Chandler]

Bump...

got any cored bowls yet?

curious turners want more info on this thing.

CYep....did one set of 3 bowls the other day........the largest being about 16 inches out of spalted maple. That large bowl is still in the chuck, as I found some cracks in it, and have had to fill them in order to even finish the rough turning. I think this wood is dry enough to finish now, and it has some pretty punky areas in it. This was one of the two pieces that Tony De Masi gave me when I visited his place.........he basically pulled the tarp off his stash, and told me to have my pick, so this was one of them.

It is going to be a bear to get sanded down to a good finish, and will take a lot of effort, but the wood is so nicely spalted I am going to work at it. The other two bowls are about 11 inches roughout and 7 inches roughout diameters.

O btw, I really like the performance and the clean cuts on this Max3 unit.........way better finish off the cutter than that McNaughton Tony had, and way, way easier to use. I liked it so much, that I went back and ordered the laser unit for it, and it is supposed to arrive next Tuesday.

[Roger Chandler]

Just to drag up an old thread and give some additional information. On another thread I posted a pic of my G0800 24" lathe, and that same post fit well, and the whole platform was stable and I cored some big wood with it. I had to reset the post collar for center on my G0800, which is a little higher than on my G0766, but the Max 3 works well on both lathes.

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[Reed Gray]

The 'McNasty' would work better if the curves on the blades were true. The tips go straight rather than follow the curve, which is the biggest problem with them.... I may have to make my own.... Been pondering that for some years now.. I did core a good sized Madrone bowl last night. It has been a while.

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