Your advice on a large chisel purchase

[Jerry Olexa]

I have an opportunity to buy a set of over 25 used chisel from a retiring woodworker...He does not want to break up the assortment/set.

It contains 10 Stanley Sweetheart bench chisels
4 Woodriver bench chisels
4 woodriver Butt chisels
4 Two Cherries skew chisels
1 Mallet
1 awl
2 screwdrivers.

I am concerned about the Woodriver groups and not certain about the Stanleys (some good, some fair depending on year etc)...Of course the 2 cherries are attractive but uncertain about the total lot. The ask price for the group is a little over $300. I know these are not Ashley Isles or Blue Spruce but still interest me..What should I be cautious about, any pitfalls, hints and your general advice would be very helpful...Thanks in advance.
Jerry

[Prashun Patel]

I'd be cautious about buying so many chisels. I'd rather have a few excellent chisels than a bunch of mediocre ones. I know that's a glib answer, but do you really need the butt chisels or the skew chisels? And do you need 14 bench chisels?

For my $300, I'd be looking at one or two mortise chisels and 4 quality bench chisels.

But I suppose it depends what you want to do. For my dovetailing and M&T work, that's what I'd want.

There are other chisels at least as good as the Sweethearts out there for a low price, new.

Two cherries may be a good brand, but they're skew chisels.

[Mike Brady]

Without seeing the condition of any of these, I would say that package is no real bargain unless the Stanley chisels are in exceptional condition, which you already say they are not. This is not the way I would spend $300. Nothing there in the 22 chisels listed could be termed "premium" quality. I would buy $300. of excellent chisels and pass the lot. By the way, there is no really good reason to keep those tools together and he undoubtedly knows that.

[Luke Dupont]

Not sure what your standards are like, but I was considering purchasing both the modern make stanley sweetheart bench chisels, and the woodriver butt chisels myself. From a beginner's perspective, they're pretty nice for the price. From the perspective of someone of someone who already has some really nice chisels, they might be just mediocre.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a modern-make set of Stanley Sweetheart chisels, or the Woodrivers. They both seem to have decent reviews, from what I've seen, but there are definitely higher quality chisels out there. Some people have minor qualms about the steel. But, I'd be quite happy with either/both. The question is, would you? What are you looking for in a set of chisels?

For $300 though, you can get much better chisels, granted, not as many. If you need a wide range of chisels for a decent price, or if you can possibly convince him to break them up, go for it. Otherwise, maybe talk him down, or buy a smaller set of chisels really good chisels instead.

Edit: I second Mike's thoughts here: There is no reason that he should not at least be willing to sell the individual sets (Stanleys, Woodrivers, or Two Cherries). Just explain that you really don't need X, and that it would be a waste of money for you to buy every chisel he's ever owned when you already own some yourself, but you may be interested in buying this or that set.

[Jim Koepke]

There are a lot of "it depends on... " here.

You say there are over 25 chisels but only list 22. If the 10 Stanley SweetHart chisels are in good condition and are socket chisels not, everlasting, tang or a new set, the bulk of the value may be there.

Is he making any buyer swear to never break up the set? I would consider the value of what I would want to sell compared to the total price.

The price may be fair, but it isn't in the range that would tempt me. If the Stanley chisels were all marked 750, then I might consider buying them to resell.

If the chisels are all rusty, dinged up and with broken or replacement handles, the collector value is gone.

Skew chisels can be handy when working on dovetails if they are paring chisels and not carving chisels. A small size like 1/4" is desirable.

He may not want to break up the lot since he knows the Stanley set is what people will want leaving him with the job of selling the others.

jtk

[Jerry Olexa]

Jim, you are right..I failed to list one CROWN 1 1/2" chisel and the CROWN mallet...There are 23 chisels and an awl and 2 Plane screwdrivers.. I suppose I meant 26 items in the package...
Sorry and thanks..also agree with you on the STANLEYS 750's...



There are a lot of "it depends on... " here.

You say there are over 25 chisels but only list 22. If the 10 Stanley SweetHart chisels are in good condition and are socket chisels not, everlasting, tang or a new set, the bulk of the value may be there.

Is he making any buyer swear to never break up the set? I would consider the value of what I would want to sell compared to the total price.

The price may be fair, but it isn't in the range that would tempt me. If the Stanley chisels were all marked 750, then I might consider buying them to resell.

If the chisels are all rusty, dinged up and with broken or replacement handles, the collector value is gone.

Skew chisels can be handy when working on dovetails if they are paring chisels and not carving chisels. A small size like 1/4" is desirable.

He may not want to break up the lot since he knows the Stanley set is what people will want leaving him with the job of selling the others.

jtk

[Jerry Olexa]

Sound advice above..As I read your responses, the package in total gets less attractive...I had forgotten the 2 cherries were skew chisels which would get considerably less use. Have to get more detail on the STANLEYS as then evaluate.Plan to talk further with the owner and discuss buying only the chisels I really want/need...THANK YOU for your comments and guidance..I'll continue to read this thread...Stay tuned.

[Jerry Olexa]

Very good, sensible direction...Thanks Prashun


I'd be cautious about buying so many chisels. I'd rather have a few excellent chisels than a bunch of mediocre ones. I know that's a glib answer, but do you really need the butt chisels or the skew chisels? And do you need 14 bench chisels?

For my $300, I'd be looking at one or two mortise chisels and 4 quality bench chisels.

But I suppose it depends what you want to do. For my dovetailing and M&T work, that's what I'd want.

There are other chisels at least as good as the Sweethearts out there for a low price, new.

Two cherries may be a good brand, but they're skew chisels.

[Jerry Olexa]

Seems to be "not a great value" nor are these high quality chisels..Sage advice.
I am reconsidering my interest in this offering..Thank you all. I'll let you know.

[Jim Koepke]

Always remember... If you do not ask for a lower price there are very few who will lower it for you.

jtk

[Derek Cohen]

Hi Jerry

If you are planning to spend $300, why not explore how you can do so buying new or used chisels of your choice. There is little value in purchasing duplicates of mediocre chisels. The collection you are considering are not a "set". The owner is just trying to sell them all as quickly as possible. Remember, the secret to buying well is to know the current market value. Do a little research before you discuss anything further with him.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Chris Fournier]

I would not buy like that. I'd buy as required and buy the "value" of chisel I required as needed. Chisels are personal and very much married to the type of work that you do in my opinion. That being said if this deal moves you do it, you can break up the kit and sell off as you see fit. Wear being important of course, I could sell off plenty of short chisels if you know what I mean.

[Jerry Olexa]

More good advice Chris, Derek.. I plan to slow down and rethink the deal..May even pass on it.
And Jim, I agree with getting better price. As I used to teach my son: "If you don't ask, you don't get".Don't be bashful.
Thanks to all...the deal is getting colder in my mind. We shall see.

[Jerry Olexa]

Turns out the STANLEY 10 chisel set is the 750 series...Now negotiating with seller....My overall interest however is lessening. FYI. Thanks

[Jerry Olexa]

Jim, he is saying HE won't break up set (altho I asked him again today to do so)..he doesn't care what I do with them..some of them might be a re-sell in my view. Thats simply too many chisels to add to my assortment.
I don't see a lot of use for skew chisels for me . We'll see.

[george wilson]

The price is too high.

[Jim Koepke]

Jim, he is saying HE won't break up set (altho I asked him again today to do so)..he doesn't care what I do with them..some of them might be a re-sell in my view. Thats simply too many chisels to add to my assortment.
I don't see a lot of use for skew chisels for me . We'll see.

He likely knows that once the Stanley set is gone there will be little interest in the others.

It seems he is also looking to get the high ebay retail price.

Time is your friend.

Both of my main sets of Witherby and Buck Brothers chisels have been put together one or two at a time.

I have had and still have some of the Stanley 750 chisels. Not being a collector I would just as soon sell them to someone who thinks they are worth a whole lot of money.

Of all my chisels the original handles on Buck Brothers chisels feel best in my hands. I like my shop made handles but the Buck Bros design is one that I have copied (poorly at best) for replacement handles.

jtk

[Jerry Olexa]

Hmmmmm. I'll be talking to him this evening..Plan to make a "low" offer and if not accepted, walk..

[Jerry Olexa]

Negotiations underway..Should resolve by later today. Offerred $100 under ask price for whole lot or $150 for all 11 Stanley 750's...We shall see..

[Chris Hachet]

I have an opportunity to buy a set of over 25 used chisel from a retiring woodworker...He does not want to break up the assortment/set.

It contains 10 Stanley Sweetheart bench chisels
4 Woodriver bench chisels
4 woodriver Butt chisels
4 Two Cherries skew chisels
1 Mallet
1 awl
2 screwdrivers.

I am concerned about the Woodriver groups and not certain about the Stanleys (some good, some fair depending on year etc)...Of course the 2 cherries are attractive but uncertain about the total lot. The ask price for the group is a little over $300. I know these are not Ashley Isles or Blue Spruce but still interest me..What should I be cautious about, any pitfalls, hints and your general advice would be very helpful...Thanks in advance.
Jerry

I have a set of wood river chisels, I keep them at work for cutting hinge mortices in doors and making quick repairs in the plywood and red oak dorm furniture i am called on so often to repair. They are decently balanced and hold a good edge, but nowhere in the same league as my Lie Nielsons.

Stanley sweetheart are nice, I have a couple, but they pretty much stay on the chisel rack and I find myself reaching for my Lie Nielsons or my Japanese chisels instead.

Depends on what you want....I find having fewer chisels and keeping them sharp and ready to go is working well for me. I have several specialty chisels I do not use often and the above mentioned Lie Nielsons and Japanese chisels that I use all of the time.

YMMV...for me....its a good deal, but I would think two or three really primo paring chisels from someone like Blue Spruce might be a better way to spend the cash...

But good luck, price seems fair, and if you can put them to work you will find they will work well for you.

Best regards,

Chris

[Andrew Pitonyak]

You can easily purchase a set of 8 stanley sweet heart for $230 (Amazon). So, I would pass unless you knew for certain that you wanted exactly that set of chisels.

A set of the Lee Valley PM-V11 bench chisels, however, is over $500.... If he had those, $300 would be a steal.

[Jerry Olexa]

I bought the 11 STANLEY Sweetheart 750's (set of 8 plus 3 extra of smaller ones) like new condition.. ( they are the "newer" version made 3-4 years ago. Seller bought at Woodcraft). Included were the 4 WR Butt chisels, the 2 Cherries set of skew chisels, and a new strop and compound..All in excellent condition and I thought a fair price under $200..Thanks for your help/guidance on this....Anxious to test/use...Now I'll have to build a new tool storage cabinet :)

[Prashun Patel]

Nicely done. Have fun.

[Mike Holbrook]

Chisels can be a very personal item. Various types are designed to be used with various striking tools or for delicate hand work.

I tend to order small numbers of quite different styles of tools. At some point I may decide I like some specific type best and buy an entire set, but I doubt it. I like having a variety of different types: Japanese Usu-nomi for delicate hand work, Oire-nomi, Atsu-nomi & Mukomaiche-nomi for striking with genno, gouges made in Sweden especially for working green wood and carving...If I find I do not use specific chisels for a long time I can find new homes for a few "used" chisels easier than for a whole set.

[Jim Koepke]

I bought the 11 STANLEY Sweetheart 750's (set of 8 plus 3 extra of smaller ones) like new condition.. ( they are the "newer" version made 3-4 years ago.

Even with them being the newer version it seems like a good deal. All this time I was thinking they were the SWs from the 1920s and '30s.

Modern day marketing can really make things confusing.

So are we going to see any pictures?

jtk

[Jerry Olexa]

Jim, I would have preferred the earlier ones but this is what they were. Overall, I liked the final package.
I'm buying from a friend 2 states over and he is planning to ship today.
Once I have them here, I'll proudly (I hope) post pictures.
Thanks guys. You all helped a lot.




Even with them being the newer version it seems like a good deal. All this time I was thinking they were the SWs from the 1920s and '30s.

Modern day marketing can really make things confusing.

So are we going to see any pictures?

jtk

[Jerry Olexa]

Today, the package of chisels etc arrived today!!! I unpacked and laid on my bench..i've been asked for a picture ot two (to see if it really happened :) ).
Here they are just unpacked:

OOps will have to resize..Give me few minutes.

[Jerry Olexa]

Here are pics:


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Just absorbing and trying to decide where to store and use...Perhaps, a new cabinet..Hmmmm. Oh well.
Also have to learn and use properly the new strop. a new venture for me..
Thanks

[Andrew Pitonyak]

They look well cared for. Nice!

[Malcolm Schweizer]

Oh wow, that's a nice set. If you want to replace the handles on those 750's, I have a bunch of rosewood handles I can sell you. I have heard very good things about the new 750's, and I like the butt chisels and the skew chisels you got as well. Very good find, and at a good price.

[Jim Koepke]

Looks like you did good. They sure are a lot shinier than most of my chisels.

Next you need to post some pixs using them to make something.

jtk

[Jerry Olexa]

Had question about STANLEYS..Yes they are 750s but the newer version re-introduced 3-4 years ago.....
BTW, ALL these chisels are VERY sharp.


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