New to SMC. Looking for some Jointer / Planer suggestions

[Phillip Mitchell]

Finally joined the Creek. I've referenced this site quite a bit over the past couple years while researching and getting into woodworking. Awesome place and folks.

I'm still pretty new to woodworking but find myself getting to a point where I want to start having my own big power tools in my own little space for some convenience and control with some of my projects. I work for a company that specializes in Timber Frame construction. They are also general contractors and occasionally get commissions for custom woodworking projects, though this has slowed since the recession. Most of what I've done has been general carpentry and timber framing. Working with them, I've been introduced to many techniques and tools that I would call in the woodworking vein, whether on a large, timber frame scale or smaller woodworking scale. They have a decently outfitted wood shop that I can use pretty much anytime I'm not working, but I work quite a bit and have a young family and can't get away to work in the shop as much as I'd like.

Over the past year or so I've started to assemble some tools in my small (600 sq ft) basement, at first geared towards general carpentry and home improvement/remodeling, but am now wanting to move into at least being able to dimension my own lumber at home in my own time.

I currently work with a delta contractor TS w/ bies fence and custom formica top table, Dewalt 12" SCMS, and just was gifted a Hitachi 8.5" SCMS and Hitachi bench top drill press. I just bought a HF 2 hp dust collector, but still need to assemble it and buy all the hose/fittings/etc. I plan to build a thien baffle and upgrade to a .5 or 1 micron canister for the top.

What I really lack is both a jointer and planer to take my capabilities to the next level. Just finishing up a custom cedar deck wrapping around the house and soon about to start a kitchen remodel. I have been researching about building an edge grain, glue up hard maple countertop. Dimensions of roughly 2' W x 10' L. I may end up dimensioning and assembling that project in the shop at work because they have a lot better tables and tons more space than I do in my basement (it's a bit cramped) but I still see a lot of need in future for dimensioning rough lumber at my own house. Just off the top of my head, I have plans to re-trim the whole house with stained maple most likely, have plans for making simple projects like wall shelves, dining table, benches, book shelves, blanket chests, just to give you an idea of the type of stuff I'm interested in making. I would also love to build myself a real workbench w/ vise sometime in the next 6 months.

Pretty much decided on an 8" jointer bc I want all the bed length I can fit. I've got about a 20' length of wall about 3-4' wide in which to put the jointer and feed wood in and out. Budget is still not exactly determined, but most likely under $1k (used or new.) I would love to find a used 8" w/ a byrd helical head for around $1k, but I may be dreaming….The shop at work has a PM60 which is a fine machine and a 12" machine made by Steton which is a jointer/planer combo. Haven't used that one. They've also got a huge Berlin Machinery (pre Yates) No.199 16" jointer collecting dust in the way back, but I don't think it is in running order. Wouldn't even know how to get something like that in my basement anyway. Any suggestions are welcome. Perfect world would be to find a DJ20 with a helical head installed for around $1k, and I think I'd be set for many years to come. I see PM60 come up for sale fairly regularly, but they are normally not in excellent condition and asking prices have seemed to soar in the last year (2 for sale somewhat locally and both asking well over $1k each…)

As for a planer, I'm not as picky. I've spent some intimate time with a Woodmaster 712, which is a fine and powerful machine, but I think they're kinda overpriced usually and I don't care about it be able to run molder heads or gang rip. I've also used a Ridged 13", but found it be slow and nowhere near as capable compared to the Woodmaster. It also was louder than hell! This is somewhat of a concern, bc I have 2 kids under 5 and would love to be able to run equipment potentially when they are asleep. I've read that helical cutter heads are noticeably quieter than standard knives. This is a minor point, but is something I think about realistically with a home basement shop.

I really love the idea of helical carbide cutter head in a planer (jointer too for that matter) for several reasons, so those are appealing to me. I'm ok with a jointer having it's own dedicated space in the basement, but would love to be able to have a planer that is either semi portable or on a portable base to move against the wall when I'm not using it. I've been looking into the Dewalt DW735 and adding the Byrd helical head. I'm not sure yet, but could potentially get the Dewalt new for 50-70% off retail and then buy the Byrd head for around $400, putting it at $600-700. There is a Steel City 13" model with helical head that people talk about for a little less that but I'm having a hard time finding it online right now. Maybe discontinued. Budget for a planer is probably $750 or under. Any other possibilities in this price range. What about a solid used floor model up to 15" with standard knives? Any tried and true models to look for. Unfortunately can't afford the $2k for an 18" Grizzly w/ Byrd head…

Really not sure if I need more than 13" capacity. I would probably use a 15 or 18" planer if I was doing a glue up table top or something like that and planing it in sections (that fit through the planer) but that's really just a guess. I do know that I need something that isn't a monster in order to move/roll it out of the way.

Craigslist around here is hit or miss and pretty quiet for woodworking equipment (small population.) I'm about 2 hrs from Charlotte and 3 from Raleigh, so maybe some good potential market there. I've been watching the IRS auctions for a while now, but it's hit or miss for smaller equipment like what I'm looking for and I honestly don't have the time to drive several hrs away just to check something out, then bid on it, then drive back to pick up in another trip. Could be a potential though.

I seem to have written a small novel and an intro, but I tend to get wrapped up in the details sometimes. Looking forward to frequenting this place more and learning all I can!

Any advice is appreciated and thanks for reading!

Phillip

[Art Mann]

I just bought a Jet JJP-12HH jointer/planer spiral head combo machine to replace a 6 inch jointer and a 13 inch screaming planer. I wish I could offer some experience there but I don't have it installed yet. I know a lot of people recommend a very long jointer bed but I have never seen the use for one. I cut all my rough sawn lumber to approximate size before I plane or joint it. I typically flatten pieces that are 48" or less in length. It is much more important for the work I do to flatten a board or glue-up that is 12 inches wide than one that is 8 feet long. If you see what sounds like a good deal on a used combo machine, I recommend you take a look even if the bed is short.

[Jon Nuckles]

Phillip,
I have the Dewalt 735 planer and like it, but it is anything but quiet. The noise is from the motor rather than the blades, so I don't think that the helical head will quiet it down much. For a jointer, I can recommend the Grizzly 8 inch parallelogram with the helical head. If I remember correctly, it is the G0490X. I don't like all Grizzly machines, but a jointer is simple and they do this one well.
Jon

[Dick Mahany]

I started with a DeWalt 2 knife lunch box planer and a Jet 6" jointer and they served me well. However as soon as I bought the 6" jointer, nearly every board I bought was 7" or larger in width. So I bought a Jet JJP-12 (non HH) and thought I'd gone to heaven as it handled everything I needed to do, yet was compact.

Recently, I downsized and relocated after selling many of my stationary tools, but selling the J/P combo was a mistake and I'll be looking to replace the J/P combo machine as opposed to having multiple tools in my smaller space.

I outfitted the JJP12 with a digital readout for thicknessing and never looked back.

There are many debates about combo machines and tool brands vs dedicated tools and this forum will have a wealth of useful information, so have fun and research the vast experiences here and enjoy SMC !

[Andrew Hughes]

Welcome to the sawmill creek.Patience is the key to finding good deals on CL.I looked for over a year to get my 12 inch jointer.I didn't find it on CL but staying on the hunt was the key.Good luck.

[Curt Harms]

Where space is an issue the jointer/planer combo is a plus. I have the non-helical head Jet JJP-12 and it takes a space 2' X 5'. I built my own mobile base. Others mount heavy duty casters directly to the machine but I knew if I did that I'd be moving it by pushing and pulling on the jointer beds. That didn't seem like a good idea to me.

[Rod Sheridan]

Hi Phillip, I suggest you look at Felder/Hammer/MiniMax jointer/planers.

I have the Hammer A3-31 which is a 12 inch jointer/planer, fantastic machine.

regards, Rod.

[glenn bradley]

You are right about a jointer and planer team taking your woodworking to the next level. Being able to "make" your own boards instead of taking what's available is a big step up in bringing your design ideas to reality. I prefer separate machines but, that is a personal choice. Keeping things in budget is always a challenge. I went with the Grizzly pair so many people have (g0490X and G0453Z) but. a lunchbox planer can do a lot of good work for you and I personally know a couple of pro shops that make more use of their DeWalt 734's even though large floor machines are available.

The long beds on the jointer were a priority for me. I didn't want to have to externally support a lot of stock to joint it and many shorter bed machines fell short (no pun intended) for the size of parts I frequently use. With the G0490X's infeed table at over 43" I rarely need to add roller stands or table to properly feed longer stock.

[lowell holmes]

I suggest ear muffs. That's what I use. Ear muffs and safety glasses are appropriate every time a power tool is fired up.:)

OBTW, I practice what I preach.

[Marty Tippin]

My suggestion is to look at the Grizzly G0490X 8" jointer with the spiral head, and to match it with the Grizzly G0453PX 15" planer with spiral head. You won't regret either choice, and the spiral cutter head reduces noise by several orders of magnitude (I always wore hearing protection when using my DW735; I don't even know where my earmuffs are now...)

Sure, you could start with the DW735 but you'll eventually want something bigger. Or you'll get tired of the noise and think about adding a Byrd spiral cutter head and sink a bunch more money into an "ok" solution. Either way, spend a few bucks more now and save the hassle later.

If space is really a concern, a combo machine is certainly worth looking at -- the Grizzly 12" combo planer/jointer is attractive and there are a lot of times I'd like to have a 12" jointer. But the 15" planer comes in handy so many more times that I don't think I could live with a 12" planer.

Do be aware that for either the jointer or planer, you're going to need a dust collector, as both tools are copious producers of chips; lots of people like the 2HP bag collector from Harbor Freight but the 1.5HP Grizzly works great as well.

I also recommend you add a Wixey digital readout to whatever planer you end up buying - being able to dial up the precise thickness you want (down to 0.005" accuracy) is incredibly handy. The Wixey isn't that expensive either - maybe $75 at the high end.

And finally, for searching Craigslist in a wider area, you might try www. searchtempest.com - you specify search terms and a radius from whatever starting zip you want and it'll find matching results for you. It's a little slow to remove old listings, so you'll get a lot of "this post has been deleted by its author" results when you click a link. But it's helpful to find stuff on other nearby Craigslist sites without going through the hassle of searching them one at at time.

Oh yeah - and welcome to the Creek!

[glenn bradley]

I suggest ear muffs. That's what I use. Ear muffs and safety glasses are appropriate every time a power tool is fired up.:)

OBTW, I practice what I preach.

Yes, this. I forgot my Rx safety glasses this weekend trip to dad's. You can bet I wore goggles over my regular glasses no matter how uncomfortable.

[Daniel O'Neill]

Welcome to the sawmill creek.Patience is the key to finding good deals on CL.I looked for over a year to get my 12 inch jointer.I didn't find it on CL but staying on the hunt was the key.Good luck.

It does take a while. To help just a CL search tip. If you set your search the way you like it then you can bookmark it and every time you click that bookmark it will redo the search. For example this is one I have bookmarked right now. (PLANER | THICKNESS PLANER) (DEWALT | HAMMER | LAGUNA | Grizzly | Jet |Powermatic | delta | rikon)
Here's the official CL post on search tips https://www.craigslist.org/about/help/search
(https://www.craigslist.org/about/help/search)

[Daniel O'Neill]

Finally joined the Creek.
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There is a Steel City 13" model with helical head that people talk about for a little less that but I'm having a hard time finding it online right now.
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Phillip


I was looking at that myself but I think Steel City is no more or they were purchased or something like that. Someone by me has been selling new machines on CL for almost new prices (I'm near their HQ) so I kind of think it's an old employee or something like that.

[Jim Andrew]

Nothing wrong with the Grizzly machines, the 15" planer and 8" jointer are fine machines. I have a 12" G0609 jointer, with Byrd cutterhead, and a G0453px planer. I had a Woodmaster 718, and the Grizzly surfaces at about 2 times the speed. If you decide to make trim, get a shaper with power feeder.

[Phillip Mitchell]

Thanks for all the replies.

Some responses….

I'm sure the JET J/P combo is a nice unit. The 2 things that come to my mind when I think about it are the actual, real time and effort it takes to change it over from jointer to planer and back. I will try to check out some videos of it in action; seems like it could be a bit of a pain at times. The other thing is the bed is only 55" long…That's really no longer than some 6" jointers. Then, there's the price, which from what I can tell is upwards of $2250 + shipping. I was hoping to budget $1750 ish for both planer and jointer.

On that note, I bet that the Hammer A3-31 is a splendid machine. I actually was looking it up a bit a couple days back, but unfortunately I don't have anywhere near the budget for it and some of the same concerns noted above with the Jet come into play.

The Grizzly G0490X would be perfect for what I want, but it's a bit over budget @ $1500 shipped. Finding a used one would be extremely rare, but possible I suppose. It seems that most people don't want to get rid of these in any sort of hurry.

Does anybody here have experience with a Dewalt DW735 w/ the helical Byrd head? Is that just too much $$ to sink into that machine even if I can get a new one for under $300? There's one (standard knives cutter head) in the woodshop at work that has a custom indeed/outfeed table built under it, but I have yet to use it as it was needing knives for a while.

I also found an '88 model Delta Invicta (brazilian made) 22-650 (13" floor stander) close by. Not sure if it's for sale yet or exact condition (haven't plugged it in or ran it) but that could potentially be an option, though I've done a bit of reading today on it and it seems changing knives can be a bit of a challenge. It appears that it can be fitted with a Byrd helical head, but at what cost I'm not sure. This unit is nice and heavy and seems like a tank.

I'm quite familiar with SearchTempest and use it often…though it is frustrating to see one of the only promising results pop up with "this page has been deleted by its author"….

I've been looking at jointers for sale for nearly 2 years, though not always with a hard intention to buy as I am now, but I certainly realize that it can take quite a while to find what you're looking for on the used market with some of this stuff. That, combined with the time and possible hassle of driving and checking out used equipment is the main reason I'm considering new, but I can't really afford what I truly want new.

Just to be clear, I do have a 2hp HF dust collector that I just bought and will set up before I get a jointer / planer. And I'm a firm believer in ear and eye protection, so no worries there ;) I may be new, but I'm not a total newbie.

As far as making trim, I guess I should say that it's not really molding. Just square, flat stock that needs to be properly milled.

I think I know what I want, really it just comes down to waiting for the right deal to come along….really I'm just making sure I'm not missing anything by checking in with you fine, educated folks. I suppose it's off to CL, auctions, and word of mouth until it falls into place. Maybe I can find a screaming deal on a decent old planer and splurge on a new helical head jointer.

Thanks again and keep anymore suggestions rolling in.

[Patrick Curry]

I have the 8" Grizzly jointer with the cutter heads and love it. Use your discount on the Dewalt 735 with the straight blades and you're on budget.

Next, use the equipment to build a few pieces of furniture or other items you can sell until you've made $1,000-1,200 or so. Then sell your Dewalt planer for what you had invested in it and now you have enough $$$ for the Grizzly stationary planer with the carbide cutters.

This is the system most of us married guys use to quietly add or upgrade. Welcome to the creek. :)

[Curt Harms]

I'm sure the JET J/P combo is a nice unit. The 2 things that come to my mind when I think about it are the actual, real time and effort it takes to change it over from jointer to planer and back. I will try to check out some videos of it in action; seems like it could be a bit of a pain at times. The other thing is the bed is only 55" long…That's really no longer than some 6" jointers. Then, there's the price, which from what I can tell is upwards of $2250 + shipping. I was hoping to budget $1750 ish for both planer and jointer.


I bought my JJP-12 from these guys:

http://www.equipmentsalesandsurplus.com/product_p/708-475.htm $1985.95 with straight knives. Free shipping including residential liftgate delivery. Mine was drop shipped from Jet's warehouse in Tenn. The spiral head is about $1,000 more and now you're getting into Hammer/MiniMax territory. I haven't had an issue with straight knives but I don't use figured wood, at least not intentionally :). If knives gets a nick it takes a couple minutes to slide one.

[Prashun Patel]

Do you have 220v power? The larger JP combos will require it.

My vote is to get the DW735 with straight knives. I owned one for several years and never had to replace the blades. With light passes and dust collection, I never thought it tore out excessively.

I'd get a good, used jointer on CL - again straight knived.

Then, I'd immediately start scouring CL again, being patient to wait for a couple years until your white whale appears - and it will. You'll better know what features are important to you then too: space, knives and cut quality, capacity, convenience.

Also, beware that some users report breaker tripping with the DW735 with the spiral head upgrade.

[Marty Tippin]

If you decide to go with the DW735, keep an eye out for the every-so-often sale where you can buy the DW735X combo (extra blasdes plus the infeed / outfeed tables) and get the DW7350 mobile stand for free. Amazon offers that deal on occasion, as does Woodcraft, etc. - I don't know when it was last offered though, so no idea when it might come around again.

And if you do get the DW735, grab a pair of these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00009LI4K and save your hearing. You can thank me later... ;-)

[Jon Nuckles]

I wouldn't invest the money in a helical head for the DW735. As I said above, it won't help much with the noise. Also, the reversible/disposable knives give a very good finish when sharp, and the changeover process is easy with the indexing holes in the blades. If you hit a hard knot or piece of grit and get a nick in your still-sharp knives, you have enough leeway to slide one sideways on its tabs to avoid leaving tracks in your board. The cost of a 12" helical head will pay for all the straight blades you are likely to use during the life of that planer. As others have suggested, save the helical head for the industrial planer you'll buy next.

[Phillip Mitchell]

Just an update. Picked up a new Dewalt 735 (with an extra set of blades and out feed tables) for around $290. I've been on the lookout for a bigger/heavier used planer but nothing good locally was available, so I went with the Dewalt, being that I could get it for half of retail. I'm going to build a custom stand on casters for it and put it into use soon.

Still on the lookout for a decent used jointer, but I'm becoming very tempted by a new Grizzly 8". I wanted the G0490X, but apparently it's been discontinued and replaced with G0490XW. Not sure if there's any difference in features, but the following info is quoted from a response from Grizzly that I got upon inquiring about the G0490X not being available on their website:

"I am sorry but we have discontinued the G0490X Jointer. We are offering a G0490XW in its place. The "W" model machines were added because the previous factory is no longer making those machines. This change was in the works for the last year with the goal of causing the least amount of disruption for customers. The previous factory is still in business, and we will continue to be able to provide parts to support all the existing customer machines. We are excited to be working with the new factory and look forward to adding other new machines and products from them in the near future."

The XW model is also not currently in stock, and apparently the next "expected arrival date" isn't until nearly the end of Feb. Probably will take another 3-5 business days to actually arrive via freight, so that's pretty much March, which could be fine.

I don't have a 220V plug where I want the jointer to sit, so that'll give me some time to get that rolling. I can get the Grizzly 8", helical head, parallelogram bed model shipped for $1500, which puts me right at the top end of my original budget.

Does anybody have any other ideas, or new machines that are close in performance and price to the Grizzly that I'm missing?

Btw, I can unload a freight delivery at work with a forklift and get some help moving the jointer into my basement (walkout door) with some workmates if I'm nice and buy them some beer ;)

[glenn bradley]

I'll just re-state that the G0490X has been great for me for years with near daily use. The insert head paid for itself before I even rotated the cutters once based on previous knife life and replacement/sharpening costs. The heavy box is the machine itself but, two stout guys can easily maneuver this around. The other box is the base and motor and needs to be handled with a little care as the base is light and the motor is heavy. Not real heavy, just a bit awkward.

[Marty Tippin]

d apparently the next "expected arrival date" isn't until nearly the end of Feb. Probably will take another 3-5 business days to actually arrive via freight, so that's pretty much March, which could be fine.

I wouldn't put much faith in the dates they quote. Just as the guys who ordered the G0766 lathe last year... ;-)

If the "XW" model is the same as the old "X", you really can't go wrong. Price point and performance are hard to beat.

[Phillip Mitchell]

Going to check out a used Delta DJ-20 tomorrow, that I might just buy. The price is in my budget and depending on condition of the actual machine, seems pretty fair. Aside from taking a straight edge to check tables and a square to check the fence, is there anything else crucial to look at before purchasing. Sale includes a 2nd set of (sharpened) knives.

[Michael Yadfar]

I bought a Jet 6" jointer off Craigslist for $250, and a new Grizzly GO453Z which has a spiral head. The jointer is about 20 years old, but is absolutely mint and the model has long tables which are nice. The 6" ones are usually easy to find and abundant because everyone wants to upgrade. If I have a 7" board, I either have to cut off 1" on the bandsaw or cut it in half. The Grizzly GO453Z took me awhile to get set up accurately, but with the spiral head it cuts very smooth. For $1,500 I believe I paid, you can't go wrong with that

[Phillip Mitchell]

Bought the DJ20 today. Pretty excited about it! It's an earlier '87 Invicta model that seems lightly used considering its age. It ran well when I tested it at the seller's shop, though the knives installed have some little nicks in them. Included in sale was an extra set of sharpened knives, though I'm considering the Byrd head shelix upgrade at around $400. What's the process for swapping heads? I have no experience doing this.

Paid $600 for the DJ20. I also snagged some really nice machinist, framing, and combo squares, a nice Forschner bit set, and some really nice 10/4 Mahogany (about 16" wide for around $4/bd ft!) The seller was 90 years old and selling everything apparently. He had a nice big 16" resaw and Woodtek shaper that interested me, but outta the budget at this point.

Thanks for the help in this thread. Now it's on to adjusting the tables after it's moved into the basement and installing the new knives.

[Richard Shaefer]

I have the Hammer A3-26 and I'm happy with it. Hammer does have sales and the combo was a something like $2600. Takes about 45 seconds to change over, including setting the planet table height

[Ric Altman]

Still on the lookout for a decent used jointer, but I'm becoming very tempted by a new Grizzly 8". I wanted the G0490X, but apparently it's been discontinued and replaced with G0490XW.

Does anybody have any other ideas, or new machines that are close in performance and price to the Grizzly that I'm missing?

Btw, I can unload a freight delivery at work with a forklift and get some help moving the jointer into my basement (walkout door) with some workmates if I'm nice and buy them some beer ;)Got the G0490XW recently and love it, couldn't be happier so far. The table is heavy, 350-ish so help or a come-a-long and rafters is a must. The table came crated very well. All wood, no cardboard, no damage. It was so easy to assemble that I never needed to look at the directions and I am a beginner. I thought the fit and finish was very good. Quiet running and far less noise than a 3 blade jointer. The finish is VERY smooth. You see all the complaints about heavy machinery from China being crap, but this machine is very nice. Have you purchased a jointer?

[Ric Altman]

Here’s my experience since I gave the above glowing report on my new Grizzly G0490XW. When I initially assembled the machine, I put my square on the outfeed table and adjusted the fence to square. I did not check the other end of the fence since the tables were perfectly parallel. After a few boards, I noticed a little problem joining boards. I went back and checked the fence again but this time moved the square the entire length of the fence. The fence seemed twisted. I removed the fence and placed it on the infeed table face down. The fence rocked corner to corner .022. In other words, had a twist to it. I called Grizzly tech support and they were great until yesterday, which I’ll go into later. The sent me a new fence. This one was out .044 and had a .020 bow in it also. I called tech support again and was sent another fence. This one had a bow of .070 in it so bad that you could see it with the naked eye. This one was supposed to be double checked by Grizzly before shipping. I was told by Craig, a tech supervisor, that he would personally check the third fence before it left Grizzly. When this fence arrived, it was the wrong fence. Sent that one back and when the fourth fence arrived, low and behold, it was straight. I installed it and ran the square from end to end and there was a .016 difference from left to right (lower). Now, I “upgraded” from a 6” Rigid that had a fence that was perfectly square, so I would assume Grizzly had at least similar tolerances. There is an adjustment to get the fence parallel with the table but none if it is not square. I called tech support and spoke with someone who suggested I run some more boards through and see how they looked. He said if I was not happy with the results they would take the machine back. Since I no longer had any of the packing, that would be a rough job. The next day I got a call from Rich (Richard) who this time was decidedly argumentative and accusatory. Rich wanted to know if I was going to keep the machine. I told him that another tech support gentleman the day before had suggested running some boards through the machine to see if the result would please me. I told him I had not had the time to do so. He told me if I ran some boards through it, that I would have to get “additional approval” before sending the machine back. He also said that Grizzly would not replace the machine, only refund, basically telling me they no longer wanted my business. The tone of voice for all this was decidedly confrontational. I had told several at tech support that my background is building racing engines and that I was used to expensive machines having very close tolerances. Rich said I was not being realistic comparing metal with woodworking machines. He said Grizzly tolerances were .002 per foot. I explained I could understand that possibly but that my 3 foot fence had a .016 difference which is more than .005 per foot. I stated that twice during the conversation and got no response. Those facts seemed not to register. It seems Grizzly got to the point where they no longer had a use for me and wanted me out of their hair, facts be damned. Warped fences and incorrect fences are no fault of mine. I did finally get a good one, so they can make them. Getting a good one to the end user is an issue. Pics attached.

I've run some boards through the machine and the out of square situation seems not to affect the results. So. I'm probably keeping the machine but no more Grizzly products, mostly because of the conversations I had with Rich.


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