Another date this #4 thread

[Peter Hartman]

I found this at an antique mall. The cutting iron seems to be a bit bent but I don't think it will effect the plane once it is secured in the plane. Can some one help me identify it? I have gone through the hyper kitten flow chart but I am not sure what it means when it says Do the toe and heel have a raised, broad, flat rib casting?

Here are the pics, sorry I had a couple more that I have misplaced so I only have these 3.

ALBUM (http://imgur.com/gallery/GXI01)

[Joe Tilson]

Peter,
Try the type study at rexmill.com.
Page down through the info.
That should help.

[Jim Koepke]

Peter, from your pictures it looks like the frog is what is called the ogee style. The picture isn't clear enough to be certain.

That started with type 16. The raised area at the heal and toe also appeared during the type 16 era.

Joe made a good suggestion about Rexmill. It has good images and descriptions to determine approximately when a Stanley/Bailey plane was manufactured. Type studies do not account for old parts on hand at Stanley when a design change was implemented. Stanley produced many planes with type 16 frogs and type 15 bases.

http://www.rexmill.com/planes101/typing/typing.htm

There was a type study pretty much like the one in the John Walter book, Stanley Tools, before Johnny Kleso created the Rexmill site. I copied it and have been inserting some of my own pictures and commentary. There are some changes mid type during some of the early years.

jtk

[Peter Hartman]

Thanks, I was leaning towards a 16 but this picture:

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Makes me rethink that. The rear handle appears raised and the brass knob appears to have no knurling.

[Chris Hachet]

Thanks, I was leaning towards a 16 but this picture:

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Makes me rethink that. The rear handle appears raised and the brass knob appears to have no knurling.

Knob is often replaced, but raised handle is cast into the base...

[Jim Koepke]

Knob is often replaced

Or worn from use.

Type dating a plane isn't an exact science. Many of my planes have had parts changed. Imagine years from now when some poor soul picks up one of my early planes with the large depth adjuster or a Sweet Hart era plane with a short knob.

One of my Stanley/Bailey planes has a lever cap with 409 in the casting. It may be an early type before Bailey was in the casting.

With old parts on hand, even Stanley released a few "frankenplanes."

jtk

[Tom Vanzant]

Peter, starting with type 16, Stanley added a thicker band at the heel and toe, about 1/4" wide. That seems to be the case in your first photo around the "4"...maybe. If not, it's type 15. In the single photo in post #4, of a different plane, I do not see a flat rib, so again, type 15. The screw at the front of the tote is not standard.

[Shawn Pixley]

I think the sole and frog are type 15. Other parts, ....? Think frankenplane and put it to work.

[Peter Hartman]

Alright, I picked it up for 35 bucks.

Here are some more pics.

http://imgur.com/a/0AX0P

[Chris Hachet]

Thirty five bucks well spent...

[Jim Koepke]

Here are some more pics.

The pic of the back shows the 'rib' or raised area at the back of the tote to the edge.

Type 16 1933-1941

jtk

[Peter Hartman]

Is this the rib?

http://imgur.com/fCnhyht

[Rob Paul]

Or worn from use.

One of my Stanley/Bailey planes has a lever cap with 409 in the casting. It may be an early type before Bailey was in the casting.

jtk

Jim, maybe your "409" cap is from an early Sargent bench plane which has no logo on the front (although it usually has "409" and "414" stamped in the back of the cap)
see http://www.timetestedtools.com/sargent-type-2-bench-planes---400-series.html

[Jim Koepke]

Is this the rib?

http://imgur.com/fCnhyht

yes it is.

jtk

[Jim Koepke]

Jim, maybe your "409" cap is from an early Sargent bench plane which has no logo on the front (although it usually has "409" and "414" stamped in the back of the cap)
see http://www.timetestedtools.com/sargent-type-2-bench-planes---400-series.html

But then it wouldn't have the Stanley lateral adjuster or the patent dates in the depth adjuster.

jtk

[don wilwol]

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These don't look like the same plane. I haven't seen a #4 with a saised tote bed like that. What did I miss?

[Tom Vanzant]

These are photos of two different planes. The elevated casting under the tote and the screw in the front of the tote are "iffy".

[Peter Hartman]

Just to clarify, the picture with the border and the screw in the tote Is taken from the Rexmill dating chart.

[don wilwol]

Just to clarify, the picture with the border and the screw in the tote Is taken from the Rexmill dating chart.

ahh, OK, that makes sense, that's a #4 1/2, not a #4