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Al Launier
07-14-2015, 7:28 AM
I'm making up a dozen or so Trivets as Christmas presents (early start) and am using both Mahogany & Poplar for contrast, Mahogany on one side, Poplar on the other, and face glued together. The Trivets will be 6" sq. x 1/2" thick & machined with "see through" arched slots routed through the face of each, to penetrate just beyond the half thickness point, and which will allow seeing both woods at the same time. These pieces will be ready for finishing shortly, but I wonder what finish would be best for appearance and to withstand hot temperatures if something hot(?) is placed on top of the Trivets. Or, "wood" it be better to leave unfinished - am concerned about warpage if left unsealed???
Pictures to follow.

Appreciated your suggestions.

Prashun Patel
07-14-2015, 7:59 AM
I would finish them with a couple coats of Danish oil or other oil/varnish blend. Sand them up to a high grit - like 600, and then put on 2-3 coats. Don't worry about building a film; just seal it. The oil/varnish offers a little more protection than just oil and will have to be refreshed marginally less frequently.

A trivet will be subject to hot and scratchy contact with pots. A film-forming finish will ultimately fail. An in-the-wood finish as above will look better longer as long as it's not routinely subject to prolonged wetness.

Sanding it to 600 - or even higher - will produce a silky finish that will look satiny, but will grace the user with a wonderful feel every time they pick it up.

I use a lot of cut offs in the kitchen for trivets and cheese boards and the like. More than other furniture, I notice that there's a lot of user interaction (at least by the host) with these items. Therefore, I prefer a finish that has as much tactile as visual appeal.

The other nice thing is that refreshing the finish if you wish is simple.

Al Launier
07-14-2015, 1:14 PM
Thanks Prashun.
Now I have to demonstrate my lack of knowledge regarding finishing, but................ I have some BLO & some Minwax Wipe On Poly clear satin. I might not be able to really work this into the slot corners with a rag, unless using a brush. Would a mix of this work satisfactorily? If so, what proportion? If not, what product(s) & blend mix would you recommend?

Prashun Patel
07-14-2015, 1:21 PM
I am an not scientific about the mix: Maybe 75% WOP and 25% BLO.

If your trivets are not that big, you can make a pan of the mix, and then dip them. Let them soak for a few second, drip off the excess into the pan for a couple minutes, and then buff dry with paper towels.
Let dry.
Repeat.

glenn bradley
07-14-2015, 2:53 PM
I use mineral oil just like I use on cutting boards.

Yonak Hawkins
07-14-2015, 3:52 PM
Al, have you determined that the woods will withstand the temperatures they will be subjected to without burning ? I made wooden trivets some while back and put stone on the top.

Al Launier
07-14-2015, 6:12 PM
Al, have you determined that the woods will withstand the temperatures they will be subjected to without burning ? I made wooden trivets some while back and put stone on the top.

No Yonak, I haven't. It was my "assumption" that these trivets, most made of Mahogany & Poplar, and a couple made of Walnut & Hard Maple would work.

These pictures are of the fixture & test piece used to work out & balance the spacing of the slots.

I have yet to machine the double-sided plates & the framing members as shown on the TS. This is the first time I've worked with Mahagony and so far I really like this wood, both the fine grain & color.

I think there was a reference in a previous posting (weeks ago?) that gave the temperature that various woods could withstand. I'll try to search it out. If any of you know please advise. However, I only have these woods available for this project. Hopefully I don't have to place a protective cover of some material when in use???

johnny means
07-14-2015, 10:03 PM
No finish, burnish them.

Yonak Hawkins
07-14-2015, 11:15 PM
Well, when I do a search for "wooden trivet" I see loads of them so I guess it's not a problem.

Al Launier
07-15-2015, 7:01 AM
Well, when I do a search for "wooden trivet" I see loads of them so I guess it's not a problem.
Thanks Yonak,
Good to Know - Good to Go!

Robert Parent
07-15-2015, 7:40 AM
I made a bunch of trivets for gifts a couple years back and used mineral oil. Some of them get hard use and still look fine today. I just soaked them in a pan of oil for several hours, drained them for an hour or so, and then wiped them down.

Robert

Prashun Patel
07-15-2015, 8:03 AM
I have burnished some utensils. I made a set of wooden serving spoons and micro meshed them up to a glossy sheen without any finish.

The he problem is that as soon as any moisture gets on it, the grain raises and it gets rough. Even if you pre raise the grain and they do get staining from use. So I would use some kind of finish in there. Ymmv though, my one data point should inform but not negate johnnys reco.

Al Launier
07-16-2015, 7:04 AM
Well, that's two for Mineral Oil. Any particular brand and how durable is it to protect against potential wear & heat from hot dishes?

Al Launier
08-08-2015, 11:02 AM
For some reason I couldn't find mineral oil in the local stores. So, I'm thinking I might use a 25% BLO/75% WO Poly blend followed by a couple coats of Polycrilic as a final coat assuming the Polycrylic will hold up to heated dishes better. What do you think???

Just finished gluing the last of the trivets. Let me say I really don't like gluing up a project as it has a time limitation which could cause the project to go south on me. These trivets are now curing & held down by a weight, ~20 lb, to keep them flat. I'll let them set overnight & hope for the best.

I found out the hard way that despite precautions to mill both sides to minimize warpage, and being very careful to clamp evenly & with uniform pressure, some of the trivets "sprung" when the clamps (including a strap clamp) were released. These pieces did not have any weight on them when the glue set up. Lesson learned, but the time spent on making these was significant.

So, how to salvage the warped trivets??? Would soaking them in water, then appling a heavy weight on top do anything? I'm concerned that the Titebond III glue would break down???

Also, I have to overall sand all the trivets. Looking to find an easier way would planing them work, lining them hard up against each other to maintain the minimum 12" length recommended on the planer. OR would I be committing project suicide by planing all the different grain directions at once? Seems that sanding could lead me to a similar problem. What would be the best sander to use - a palm sander??? So many questions that I should have addressed BEFORE starting this project. Another lesson learned!

Prashun Patel
08-08-2015, 3:39 PM
My advice is to skip the polycrylic.

Al Launier
08-08-2015, 5:37 PM
OK Prashun, I'm going to follow your advice again: several coats 25% BLO% / 75%WOP / no Polycrylic. Thanks for your help!

whit richardson
08-20-2015, 1:45 PM
You can find Mineral Oil Brand X (doesn't matter) in the Pharmacy or Pharmacy section of a Walmart. Like the others mentioned works great and easy to do a once on a while refresh.

Mike Nolan
08-25-2015, 9:32 AM
I don't think the brand matters. I use RiteAid because it is cheap and the store is nearby. Mineral oil does not protect against heat or wear. It improves the appearance and gives limited protection against water.

Prashun Patel
08-25-2015, 11:39 AM
how'd it work out for you?

glenn bradley
08-25-2015, 1:32 PM
Well, that's two for Mineral Oil. Any particular brand and how durable is it to protect against potential wear & heat from hot dishes?

I'm late to the party but, also use mineral oil. I tend to provide cutting boards with a couple of trivets as a package deal and folks who know how to take care of one know how to take the other. I even include a little container of mineral oil with the pieces. I have wooden ones similar to the arced, routed ones you show that have been in use for years without issue. These were walnut and maple laminated and then the arcs cut so that the colors showed. I get more compliments on the trivets than on the cutting boards. Most people confess to actually using the trivets while they prefer to just use the cutting boards as show pieces(?)


For some reason I couldn't find mineral oil in the local stores.

It is in the pharmacy section as it is used as a laxitive.

Al Launier
08-26-2015, 2:06 PM
I'm late to the party but, also use mineral oil. I tend to provide cutting boards with a couple of trivets as a package deal and folks who know how to take care of one know how to take the other. I even include a little container of mineral oil with the pieces. I have wooden ones similar to the arced, routed ones you show that have been in use for years without issue. These were walnut and maple laminated and then the arcs cut so that the colors showed. I get more compliments on the trivets than on the cutting boards. Most people confess to actually using the trivets while they prefer to just use the cutting boards as show pieces(?)

It is in the pharmacy section as it is used as a laxitive.

Glenn, I really like the rounded ends of the arcs on your trivet. I was originally going to try that design, but found I was too inconsistent with where the ends ended. :rolleyes: So I opted to route the arcs through & frame the edges. What did you use as a stop to control the location of the ends?

Al Launier
08-26-2015, 2:09 PM
how'd it work out for you?

Guess I was inconsistent as to where I posted the results. Pictures of the finish product appear on the "Avoiding chips on a thickness planer???" thread. To answer your question, I was pleased with the results, although finish (25% PLO / 75% Polyurethane (clear satin) it did require wiping down a few times & drying outside in the sun to lose the "oily" feel. No doubt I'll be using this finish again in the future.

glenn bradley
08-26-2015, 5:30 PM
My "pendulum" that the router was mounted to was long with a series of holes. I clamped stops to limit the swing and re-positioned these for each arc; very tedious. I planned to modify the jig for the next run but, that has not happened yet ;-) If I come up with something more elegant for next time I will share.

Art Mann
08-26-2015, 6:35 PM
I manufacture trivets using a CNC router. My preference is Minwax spray polyurethane in rattle cans. I have tested the material to 450 degrees F using a baking dish right out of the oven with no ill effects. Other materials, like lacquer, can melt and get sticky. Here are a few examples.

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Kent A Bathurst
08-26-2015, 7:01 PM
Art - Cool beans, dude.

I like your designs. :D

Al Launier
08-26-2015, 8:01 PM
My "pendulum" that the router was mounted to was long with a series of holes. I clamped stops to limit the swing and re-positioned these for each arc; very tedious. I planned to modify the jig for the next run but, that has not happened yet ;-) If I come up with something more elegant for next time I will share.

I tried a similar approach using holes & dowel pins to control the arc, but there was to much "bounce" when the pendulum hit the pin. That's what decided me to frame instead.