SawStop announces a new jobsite saw...

[John Sanford]

I'm listening to Fine Woodworking's Shop Talk Live podcast, #72. (http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/115195/stl-72-another-tablesaw-lawsuit?&lookup=auto&V18=&V19=&V20=&V21=&V22=&V23=&V24=&V25=&V26=&V53=&V54=&Taun_Per_Flag=true&&utm_source=email&utm_medium=eletter&utm_content=fw_eletter&utm_campaign=fine-woodworking-eletter) Steve Gass has just announced a jobsite SawStop saw. "We're expecting it to retail at $1,299," said Steve Gass. The saw is intended for the same market as the Bosch and DeWalt units, i.e. the $500-$600 jobsite saws.

Next month or two they'll be out to their dealers. Weight approx 78lbs, 100+ on the stand.

[Bill Huber]

That will be a great addition to their line, I do know you can get a stand for the contractor saw but it is still a lot more saw then what a job site would be.
The price my be a killer on it for a job site saw.

[John Coloccia]

Didn't they announce this once already, years ago? I went to the website then and never found an update. I went just now and still don't see any information about it. That's certainly one path to safety. No saw for you!

[Hunter Locke]

That is pretty interesting to me.. I'd be interested to see if they can solve what I've always hated about those saws in the substandard fence...

If it is high quality, I think it would be awesome for me and easy to move around every so often without hiring movers.

[John Sanford]

Didn't they announce this once already, years ago? I went to the website then and never found an update. I went just now and still don't see any information about it. That's certainly one path to safety. No saw for you!

It's been rumoured and hinted for some time, but to my knowledge nobody from SawStop has ever said "it's ready and will be on the market in 2 months or less", much less has Gass said it.

[Peter Quinn]

Interesting. I'm imagining a point where vendors will present buyers of TS's with a waiver indicating they have been made aware that Sawstop technology is available, and that the vendor assumes no responsibility should the buyer get injured. If SS has an option available for every circumstance and the vendor makes those options available I would think the vendor becomes free of liability? In the same pod cast they announced an appeals court decided against the defendants appeal in the TS case? So this whole story is still playing out? At some point does the brake become a requisite? I'm amazed that the shops where I work haven't moved to a SS given the potential liability.

[John Schweikert]

I just bought a PCS yesterday. Had a hand injury in June on my Bosch saw, my fault not the saw's fault. It truly only takes a split second lapse in attention to do something stupid. My head hasn't been in the game of woodworking until just the last few weeks. I think I'm ready to get to it. Been working on building my boat again. Another Sawstop customer chatting with me yesterday had a worse hand injury than mine, so we chatted and he gave me info on the saw. I never would have considered a Sawstop simply because of the price, but my family was adamant that I go that route. My ER, surgery bills and hand therapy (thankful for insurance) tallies up to about 10 times the cost of a nicely equipped PCS. Maybe insurance companies should just foot the bill for these saws, sounds dumb to say but actuaries just might agree someday. I do realize a Sawstop will only help minimize possible injuries not fix lapses in our attention of using the saws.

Personally I absolutely loved my Bosch 4100. I had that thing dialed in very accurately. If Sawstop ever releases a comparable saw with the brake tech, then there should be a large market for it I'm sure.

[Phil Thien]

Personally I absolutely loved my Bosch 4100. I had that thing dialed in very accurately. If Sawstop ever releases a comparable saw with the brake tech, then there should be a large market for it I'm sure.

Depending on how well the saw works, I'd consider the jobsite unit.

A few months ago someone posted a link to a SS page that had pics of the jobsite saw, and it looked strikingly similar to the Bosch.

[Myk Rian]

This one?
http://www.sawstop.com/table-saws/by-model/contractor-saw#overview

[Phil Thien]

This one?
http://www.sawstop.com/table-saws/by-model/contractor-saw#overview

Nope, the pictures were removed shortly after a link was posted. It was a jobsite saw w/ universal motor and aluminum table. Looked just like the Bosch.

[Myk Rian]

OK. This one?
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[Mark W Pugh]

I guess the are getting ahead of the ball due to the recent law suit I read in the FWW email.

http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/115195/stl-72-another-tablesaw-lawsuit?&lookup=auto&V18=&V19=&V20=&V21=&V22=&V23=&V24=&V25=&V26=&V53=&V54=&Taun_Per_Flag=true&&utm_source=email&utm_medium=eletter&utm_content=fw_eletter&utm_campaign=fine-woodworking-eletter

You can't protect stupid. Well, I guess you can with Saw Stop.

[Phil Thien]

Nope, the pics that were linked showed a plastic base, similar to the Bosch.

[Tony Haukap]

I'm amazed that the shops where I work haven't moved to a SS given the potential liability.I'm not a professional, but for my hobby shop I would love to have a SawStop, but the thing that keeps me from buying one is that it's not made in the USA... and I bet there are a lot of folks out there that feel the same way. I have a shop full of quality made USA tools and I'm not about to buy something that's not made here.

[Jerry Wright]

Unless your shop is full of old iron, it is tough to have only tools made in the USA. Anything with a casting went offshore long ago.

[Bob Coughter]

I wish I had ponied up for a SS sooner since I've now paid for one AND my saw, and no actual SS in my shop. Like pretty much all accidents, had a dumb mistake. problem is TSaws aren't very forgiving of such behavior. I was really lucky, I still have all my fingers. I just have to adjust the way I play guitar now ( a little), but I still can. Lesson well learned...

Regarding where the SS's are made: While I admire the effort to keep all USA-made tools in the shop (or any other product in the home for that matter), but what's ironic is that sending elements of product production offshore to lower overhead (and increase profit margin) is part and parcel of American capitalism. From my patriotic and idealistic side, I don't like that either, but if our capitalist system is an essential element of what makes America a great country, and you (we) love America, then how can you be critical of that business model? The flip side is the revolutionary technology pioneered by Dr. Gass, resulting from his pioneering and entrepreneurial spirit is a quintessentially American technological development born of quintessentially American personality attributes.

BTW: I honestly don't post this to start some big emotional debate. I know there are many strongly held opinions of Sawstop and Steve Gass. Just making an observation...

[Tony Haukap]

Anything with a casting went offshore long ago.Not necessarily true... I have a shop full of Delta equipment purchased new (ie. not 'old iron) that is made in the USA.Up until last year you could still buy a genuine made in the USA Delta Unisaw... and up until about the year 2005 (maybe a few years +/-) you could still get some Delta drill presses, jointers and bandsaw models (most of their X5 and Platinum series) were USA made.

[Andrew Hughes]

I hope I never need another job site saw,don't ever see myself doing rake boards and faces and everthing else that comes with reroofing a house.
I woundnt be surprised if the bosses buy one or two for the crews they have in the field.Its shocking to see how portable saws are used.In the dirt on a hill maybe sitting on the lawn.:eek:

[Myk Rian]

Not necessarily true... I have a shop full of Delta equipment purchased new (ie. not 'old iron) that is made in the USA.Up until last year you could still buy a genuine made in the USA Delta Unisaw... and up until about the year 2005 (maybe a few years +/-) you could still get some Delta drill presses, jointers and bandsaw models (most of their X5 and Platinum series) were USA made.
But, how many of the parts are offshore made?

[John Coloccia]

I wonder if the saw will take a 10" blade. I've seen the SS brake fire. It's quiet exciting, even with 1.75 HP on the significantly heavy contractor saw. I'll be interested to see exactly what form this little saw takes. If it's like everything else SS makes, it will be very, high quality and will have some intelligently designed means to easily transport it. I'm sure it will have some significant heft to it, so I'm really curious what their mobility package will look like. I doubt anyone's going to want to just pick it up. It would be great to have a simple way to get it in and out of vans, and maybe even in and out of pickup trucks. Maybe I'm setting the bar too high, but if anyone can figure out an intelligent design, it's them.

[John Sanford]

I wonder if the saw will take a 10" blade. I've seen the SS brake fire. It's quiet exciting, even with 1.75 HP on the significantly heavy contractor saw. I'll be interested to see exactly what form this little saw takes. If it's like everything else SS makes, it will be very, high quality and will have some intelligently designed means to easily transport it. I'm sure it will have some significant heft to it, so I'm really curious what their mobility package will look like. I doubt anyone's going to want to just pick it up. It would be great to have a simple way to get it in and out of vans, and maybe even in and out of pickup trucks. Maybe I'm setting the bar too high, but if anyone can figure out an intelligent design, it's them.

Yes, it will take a 10" blade. Last Wednesday (the day before Thanksgiving), I laid my eyes on a genuine SawStop jobsite saw. A single turn of the wheel raises the blade from below the table to max elevation. The same wheel to control the tilt, using, iirc, a lockout to switch the functionality from blade elevation to blade tilt. The fence stores on the saw, the right side "wing" extends, and it uses an easy rise base that looks like a cross between the mobile base of the SawStop Contractor's Saw and a Bosch gravity rise base. When collapsed, the package can be wheeled about, again pretty much the same as the Bosch Gravity Rise.

[John Schweikert]

It's now official: http://www.sawstop.com/jobsite

I already got a an email from Tool Nut about it.

[Ray Newman]

I think the price will make it a difficult sell.

[Prashun Patel]

FWIW, I'd check out the FWW Shop Talk podcast from two weeks ago.
There's a lot of interesting info about this saw, and previous lawsuits, right from the respective horses' mouths.

[Phil Thien]

Anyone know anything about that "Quick-Turn elevation?" I don't want to lose the ability to finely adjust my blade height.

I'm all about this saw, though. It will be the first real candidate to replace my Ryobi BT3000.

[Prashun Patel]

One full revolution of handle = full blade height raise or lower. I think there's plenty of ability to fine-tune the height within a full 360 degree revolution.

The blade tilt is also another nifty feature: you squeeze some kind of handle, move it, and then release the handle. I'm unsure how this can be micro adjusted though.

The saw is not designed to compete with the entry-level market. It's designed to be the Festool of smaller, stationary saws. Like the larger saws, they are designed to stand on their features, fit, and finish; they aim for more value than 'just' the safety technology.

[John Coloccia]

I think the price will make it a difficult sell.

I think the next 5 homeowners will have a hard time finding the SawStop in their quote :)

[Frank Yacone]

I'm debating between the jobsite saw and the 3 HP PCs. I currently have a portable craftsman with non standard miter slots and wont accept a full dado. I don't want to regret my purchase. I can afford either, but am getting pre buyers remorse about the pcs.

[Peter Kuhlman]

In my experience, the highest risk of injury for me is kickback so I value a fence that tracks dead parallel to the blade over everything else and this is what I will want to know more about. I have wanted a job site saw for the last few years as would be really handy when doing larger outdoor projects. Get tired of dragging materials in and out of my shop just to make some cuts.
With the Dewalt now having a fence allowing 32" cuts, seems the SS should do this also. Have not been impressed at all with the current Dewalts quality wise. Need to see and play with this new saw to see if it is worth twice the price.

[Phil Thien]

I think the next 5 homeowners will have a hard time finding the SawStop in their quote :)

I agree.

When you figure you can amortize the saw over multiple jobs, and when workers comp. insurers start offering discounts to contractors that switch-out to these saws, SS will have little trouble selling them.

[Steve Rozmiarek]

You guys are not going to use these in a construction environment, correct? My jobsite table saw (a unisaw ironically) rarely cuts anything resembling nice clean dry boards, or even wood really. From what I've read on the SS, nails, dirty/wet, stuff other than wood, etc cause problems. Wonder if they have dealt with that, or if its target is not actual worksites.

[Myk Rian]

In my experience, the highest risk of injury for me is kickback so I value a fence that tracks dead parallel to the blade over everything else and this is what I will want to know more about.
More often a fence will be set with the end kicked out a little from the blade. THAT will help stop kickback.