Bandsaw, Minimax , Laguna, Grizzly

[Roger Dolan]

I am wanting to purchase a new bandsaw. Mostly for resawing and want atleast a 12" resaw capacity. I am not really all that concerned with throat capacity. I have narrowed my choices to a MiniMax mm16, Laguna 16HD or LT14 SUV, Grizzly G0514x2B or G0636X

Minimax is a total mystery to me. The whole thing with no prices listed. Does anyone no the current pricing for the mm16?
I used their email form but have not gotten a response. When I call I get voicemail.
Very strange way of doing business in this day and age.

Laguna seems to have a great product but their shipping prices are a bit high. I would really like the LT16 HD but it is slightly out of my price range. The LT14 SUV is interesting with the 14" resaw capacity but the table seems small. Also if I am going to buy a saw made in China I might as well get a Grizzly.

The advantages of the Laguna and the minimax over the Grizzly G0514 or the G0636x is the mobility packages.

Both Grizzly saws seem to be a lot of saw for the money but I really want to put them on wheels. Has anyone put either the G0514 or the G0636x on wheels?

[Matt Kestenbaum]

I am wanting to purchase a new bandsaw. Mostly for resawing and want atleast a 12" resaw capacity. I am not really all that concerned with throat capacity. I have narrowed my choices to a MiniMax mm16, Laguna 16HD or LT14 SUV, Grizzly G0514x2B or G0636X

Minimax is a total mystery to me. The whole thing with no prices listed. Does anyone no the current pricing for the mm16?
I used their email form but have not gotten a response. When I call I get voicemail.
Very strange way of doing business in this day and age.

Laguna seems to have a great product but their shipping prices are a bit high. I would really like the LT16 HD but it is slightly out of my price range. The LT14 SUV is interesting with the 14" resaw capacity but the table seems small. Also if I am going to buy a saw made in China I might as well get a Grizzly.

The advantages of the Laguna and the minimax over the Grizzly G0514 or the G0636x is the mobility packages.

Both Grizzly saws seem to be a lot of saw for the money but I really want to put them on wheels. Has anyone put either the G0514 or the G0636x on wheels?


IMHO I think your instinct on which makers and factories to stay clear of are dead on (even though you considered them). The LT16HD is a beautiful tool…Italian made at ACM factory and monster Baldor motor. If I am not mistaken the MM is made at the same factory and it too is beautiful. These saws are really in a whole different class than the others you mention.

I know it gets said here A LOT, but I have learned this lesson the hard way (HARD!!!): Better to really cry once when reaching deep into your pocket, then crying often once its in your shop (usually while kneeled with an allen wrench in your hand). I recently made the leap to a Hammer J/P. I do love my Sawstop too, but the Hammer J/P was a real "moment of clarity" on the value of a really well made machine that comes from a high service company.

Matt

[Matt Day]

I don't think mobility should be a concern. Any machine can be put on a mobile base. My 1000# Powermatic BS is on a mobile base for instance.

[Peter Kelly]

Minimax is a total mystery to me. The whole thing with no prices listed. Does anyone no the current pricing for the mm16?
I used their email form but have not gotten a response. When I call I get voicemail.
Very strange way of doing business in this day and age.Email Erik Loza at SCMI directly for pricing eloza@scmgroup.com.

[Jamie Buxton]

Welcome to the Creek. Use SMC's Search function to find many discussions about this topic.

[Roger Dolan]

Email Erik Loza at SCMI directly for pricing eloza@scmgroup.com.
Thanks for the email address. I just sent him a message


Welcome to the Creek. Use SMC's Search function to find many discussions about this topic.
I have searched and read until I am driving myself insane. I guess I am just wanting others to make my decision for me.

I should pony-up and buy a Laguna or Minimax if the price is alright. Although some of the Grizzly reviews seemed to be good but there does seem to be the occasional lemon.


For those of you that bought a Laguna is it best to go through Laguna or Woodcraft, Woodwerks, Rockler etc?

thanks

[Prashun Patel]

I have a G05142x on wheels. It's good. I resaw 12" a couple times a year. You SAY you don't value big throat capacity, but I've found it to be valuable. It enables things to be broken down quicker, and saves me from having to remove the heavy fence for some curvy operations.

I like most things about the G0514. It's got plenty of muscle. The bearings track true and don't wiggle or lose position easily. The doors lift off easily so blade changes are easy in my space-challenged shop. The resaw fence can be positioned high side up or short side up so for short, skinny rips I can get the fence right up tight to the blade without using an auxiliary fence or having to keep the blade guides high. The tilt mechanism is robust; the couple times I've had to cut heavy things on a bevel, it was easy.

[Jamie Buxton]

...For those of you that bought a Laguna is it best to go through Laguna or Woodcraft, Woodwerks, Rockler etc?...

Ask yourself what value-added does the third party bring you? If they act as a bricks-and-mortar showroom so you can try out a prospective machine, that would be valuable. But most of these places seem just to be a different web site for you to buy from. The price is the same. Worse, if there's a problem, all they'll do is get in the way when you're trying to talk to Laguna.

[Peter Kelly]

Laguna seems to have a great product but their shipping prices are a bit high. I would really like the LT16 HD but it is slightly out of my price range. The LT14 SUV is interesting with the 14" resaw capacity but the table seems small. Also if I am going to buy a saw made in China I might as well get a Grizzly.One thing if you're considering Laguna–you might price out the same saw(s) with Eagle Tools in Los Angeles (http://www.eagle-tools.com). Unlike Laguna themselves, Eagle will ship you a completely assembled, checked and carefully crated Laguna bandsaw. Customer service at Eagle is excellent too. Jesse's email address: jesse@eagle-tools.com.

[John Lanciani]

Where are you located Roger? There is probably a creeker near you that has one of the saws on your list and would be happy to let you give it a spin. (MM20 here)

[Marty Tippin]

I've got the Grizzly G0513ANV which has the same 12" resaw capacity and 2HP motor as the G0514X2 and I'm very happy with it. Only significant differences are aluminum vs cast iron wheels and in the size of the table - the G0514X2 is about 9" longer, which would be nice sometimes when resawing. For a little over half the cost of the G0514X2, the G0513ANV is a pretty good deal.

[Jamie Buxton]

One thing if you're considering Laguna–you might price out the same saw(s) with Eagle Tools in Los Angeles (http://www.eagle-tools.com). Unlike Laguna themselves, Eagle will ship you a completely assembled, checked and carefully crated Laguna bandsaw. Customer service at Eagle is excellent too. Jesse's email address: jesse@eagle-tools.com.

?? For a long time, Eagle Tools sold Agazzani, in competition against Laguna. (That's what the website still says.) Have they given up and become a Laguna dealer?

[Peter Kelly]

As of February, Eagle only has a few Italian-made Agazzani floor model saws there which I don't think are for sale. Seems to be no real word on when Panhans will start shipping them from the new plant in Germany and I'm assuming they'll continue to sell Laguna when or if Agazzani/Panhans returns to the US market.

Eagle really needs to update their website.

[Gary Holcombe]

Roger,

Did you check out the Rikon 10-351 bandsaw? Rikon calls it their Professional Model. Highland hardware and other places are now selling itfor $1299. I bought it when first released, and paid several hundred more for mine.... :(

The 10-351 has some awesome features along with a five year warranty.... Worth checking out. I think they came out with this saw to compete with the Laguna model. Mine straight out of the box would resaw a 7" thick chunk of Oak into 1/32" slices against the fence, perfectly tuned... I bought a couple of better blades but so far I've left the blade it came with on it as it does cut so well! I kept my Jet 14" to use smaller blades for things such as bandsaws boxes.

[Jim Matthews]

I would not be so quick to deride the quality of today's Chinese products.

It also bears mentioning that some of the most prolific and well-regarded
makers in the field use the venerable Delta 14" (and its clones) bandsaw.

I have a big saw, with prodigious resaw capacity that I rarely use.

Most things we cut are limited to the size of the companion jointer.

If you can't get a wide board flat against the fence and stable on the table,
it's nearly impossible to resaw straight.

Unless you plan to make lots of wide veneers, it's like having horsepower you can never use.

(You can't haul kids or get groceries in a Lamborghini)

[Shiraz Balolia]

The Grizzly bandsaws are made in Taiwan, not China.

[Chris Fournier]

I have a Laguna 18"er and my friend has a Minimax 16"er. I've got two other MM machines. I'd suggest that the MM is the one I would buy if I needed another saw.

[Rick Fisher]

If I where to buy an Asian built saw I would buy a Grizzly, simply because they offer such good customer service.

I like Italian tools. I prefer used Euro to new Asian, but its not because you won't get it done with a Grizzly .. You can buy a 5hp or 7.5hp Grizzly 24" Bandsaw for the same money as an MM-16. Both will resaw your 12" boards until your arms fall off from fatigue.

PS ... I would take the MM-16... but not because the other tools won't do the job. Its just my preference ..

[Jim Andrew]

MM is probably the most expensive bandsaw you talked about, and it is very good. I have a 10 year old mm16, and anticipated using it much more than I do. The thing is still in new condition. If money is tight, you can probably get by with a less expensive bandsaw. The secret is buying quality blades. I get mine from the local saw shop, but they order them in instead of making them up. You hardly notice the weld going through the guides. Of course, if you are really going to resaw 12" thick boards, you need a heavy bandsaw, capable of tensioning your blade tight enough to not give when going through 12" of wood.

[mreza Salav]

If I had to buy now I'd buy a Minimax, second choice will be a Laguna.

[Roger Dolan]

I think Grizzly is a great value. I have a Grizzly 15" spiral head planer and 8" spiral head jointer. They work great but there was a lot of aligning and setting up to do and I did have to get a thing or to replaced. They do have great customer service but having to use customer service for a new tool is a pain in itself.

I really think I am going to go ahead and get the Lamborghini right now and let my wife get the groceries in the minivan.

Erik with SCM got back with me yesterday. The mm16 is $200 cheaper than the laguna 16hd and comes with the mobility kit, 2 blades and free freight right now. For what your getting that sounds like a good deal.

[Mike Wilkins]

I have had a Laguna LT18 since 2001 and it is a real beast of a machine. Powerful motor and 12" resaw height. I upgraded to the ceramic guides later, as they were not available at that time.
I got my machine at a time when lots of folks were complaining about their service, but it has not been a concern for me. I had an issue with one of the ceramic blocks coming out of the holder. One call to the Laguna service hot line got me a direct call from a company rep with the solution; within a couple of hours. And a follow-up call to see if I was OK with the fix. This is not the type of service that comes from a second rate company.
Would I buy from them again? Already did, with a sliding tablesaw purchase.
Top notch machinery with a top notch company backing them up. Once you go Italian, you will never go back.

[Thomas Hotchkin]

If at some point you should decide that you no longer like woodworking the Minimax 16 holds its price much better then the others. My MM16 is the go to tool in my shop over all the other saws. Tom
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[Roger Dolan]

I just ordered the minimax 16 today.
Now the question is should I get a Resaw King to go on it and if so what width?

[Bruce Page]

Congrats. I went with a 1" Lenox Tri-Master for my MM. Great blade, no regrets.

[mreza Salav]

Good decision, I don't think you'll regret it.
I have the resaw king and am somewhat surprised at how fast it has dulled. I have not resawn a lot (maybe 1000 lin. ft. at 3" or so).

[John Lanciani]

Congrats. I went with a 1" Lenox Tri-Master for my MM. Great blade, no regrets.

Another vote for the Lenox Trimaster. Having compared the resaw king to the trimaster (in my shop on my saw) there is no comparison on both cut quality and longevity. I have a 2/3 TPI 1" blade on my MM20 but if I had a MM16 I would go with a 3/4" band.

[Matthew Hills]

For my resaw blade with the MM16, I picked up the Lenox Woodmaster CT.
(note that you won't want to be using these wide carbide blades for general-purpose/curved cuts -- save them for when you are doing resawing and want the cut quality)

Matt

[Rich Riddle]

I just ordered the minimax 16 today.
Now the question is should I get a Resaw King to go on it and if so what width?

Congratulations, and order the Resaw King. At times, Laguna offers a buy one, get one half off sale. If you post in here, another member will likely want one as well and you can get your blades at 75% price.

[Joe Jensen]

With this class of machine for me service is a very important consideration. Google service feedback on SCMI (minimax) and Laguna to draw your own conclusions. I can say that I called SCMI to ask a question about how to disassemble a 1970's era 12" jointer. The tech on the phone wasn't sure but he said he knew one of the field service techs, Guido, would know and he would have Guido call me. Not 5 min later Guido called me and he didn't know but he knew another tech who did. Maybe 2 min later another field tech called and happily spent 20 min on the phone helping me. This was on a 40 year old machine and at no charge. This has not been my experience with Laguna

[guy knight]

well i do own a mm20 and a laguna 14 suv both are topnotch saws with the mm20 being the best the suv 14 is made in europe but not italy it is a beast of a 14" it can resaw 14" and not even stutter and make perfect veneer as can the mm20 and after seeing grizzly saws in action they are good saws but not even near what the mm and laguna are

[Jim Becker]

I messaged a MiniMax rep to contact you.