Looking for hand plane IDs

[Eric Schubert]

This past weekend I picked up a few hand planes from a local flea market / antique shop. They're rusty, have lots of patina, and in need of restoration. But all of the screws turned fine, and I was able to at least brush off the dust and grit to get a few pictures. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble finding some information about a few of them, and was hoping my trusty pals at SMC could help me identify the makers of these.

First up, I have a pair of Craftsman planes. One appears older than the other, since one has a chrome-plated cap iron and the other does not. But I could be wrong about that. They both have the same style of lever, leading me to believe they're both made by Sargent. But the frog numbers do not match up with what's listed for the sizes of Sargent planes. Both cap irons have the craftsman logo (in blue), as do their blades.

One is 21-13/16" long and 2-7/8" wide, and looks to use a 2-3/8" blade. The frog is red and has the number 418 underneath it, while the bottom of the base is corrugated.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/Craftsman418-01_zps333997b7.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/Craftsman418-06_zpsa14bf589.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/Craftsman418-14_zps28da7f38.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/Craftsman418-05_zpse2d0a507.jpg

The other Craftsman plane is 14" long and 2-9/16" wide, uses a 2" blade, has 409 on the frog, has a 2 under the handle on the base, and has a smooth bottom.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/Craftsman409-1_zpsc5ef2f79.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/Craftsman409-3_zpsea59d10d.jpg

There's the 2 under the handle:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/Craftsman409-8_zpse65b6bbb.jpg

The third hand plane is an unknown, but came with an Eclipse blade. It also has markings on the base (c73) and frog (c44). It's 9-3/8" long and 2-3/8" wide and also has a 2" blade. I've read that these may have been made by Stanley for hardware stores. Possibly under the name Defiance..?

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/Eclipse-10_zpsc575af3a.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/Eclipse-09_zps2c3bed2a.jpg

C44 on the frog:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/Eclipse-06_zps567a85ab.jpg

C73 on the base:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/Eclipse-02_zps552d5e67.jpg

Lastly, I found this miniature plane that I just had to have. For $5, I figured it would be an amusement piece, if nothing else. The blade says Stanley and is about an inch wide, but the plane itself has no markings on it. It looks like a Stanley 101?

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/CraftsmanMini-1_zpsadff8831.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/CraftsmanMini-3_zps6db73118.jpg

Edit to add:
Looks like the three larger planes end up around the equivalent of Stanley #7, #5 and #4, which gives me a nice, rounded lineup for when I start to use them.

[Jim Koepke]

The planes with the 409 & 418 look to be made by Sargent.

The one with the blade marked Eclipse I am not sure. I would want to see the full lateral adjustment lever.

The little block plane does look pretty much like the Stanley model.

jtk

[steven c newman]

The 409 was for any plane by Sargent that took a 2" wide iron. The same with a 418. The sargent 418 was a #6 sized fore plane, the same frog and iron was used on the Sargent 422 Jointer plane.

Eclipse was like both the Stanley Defiance and Handyman series.

The little thumbnail plane is a Stanley one.

Sharpen them all up, they should preform fairly nicely.

[Eric Schubert]

Thanks for providing some info for me. Sounds like the 418 is really a 422 jointer plane then, since the dimensions are similar to that size plane.

As for the Eclipse plane, here's a shot of the lever for more detail. Hopefully it helps.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/Mr_Spiffy/Woodshop/Tools/Hand%20Planes/IMG_20140618_220033249_zpsi1knvfn_edit_14031506453 42_zpsolm9kgp_edit_1403150721197_zpsoepdmpor.jpg

I spent nearly a couple hours on the mini plane to get it spruced up. It took forever on my coarse DMT plate to get the blade flattened up to the edge. Then I sharpened it up. It now shaves hair! Then I flattened the sole. There's a small bit along the long edges that must have gotten rounded over and still isn't flat. But it's nearly all flat now and should be just fine to use. The rounded edges probably won't harm anything, since the boat shaped sole can't really be used for shooting or anything anyway.

[steven c newman]

That be the Stanly "Whale Tail" adjuster. About 1962, Stanley crimped them all down tight, on all their planes.

[Jim Koepke]

+1 on what Steven said. Even the red tint on the handle looks like what Stanley used on some of the Defiance planes I have either owned or seen.

jtk

[Eric Schubert]

Very cool. Thanks, guys! I love learning the history behind some of these old tools. It definitely connects you with previous generations, and makes me take pride in my vintage tools.

[don wilwol]

This may help some https://timetestedtools.wordpress.com/2014/03/01/quickly-identify-your-hand-plane/

[Jim Koepke]

I have had one Union plane. The lateral lever was different than the one shown. It has the pivot below the disk of blade engagement. This always seemed more intuitive to me, moving the lever toward the side where increased depth was wanted. The Stanley lateral adjuster and just about all others have the lever move away from the side where increased blade depth is wanted.

jtk