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Hilton Ralphs
11-17-2013, 1:32 AM
Yes you read that correctly.

I know some of you accept these grammatical errors but this is now getting ludicrous.


I was amazed when I looked recently at "the most frequently asked woodworking question" on Yahoo. That was, "How I get glue of cramps"? The answer is that once the glues is on there and dried, the only way I know to clean it, is the hard way. That is to chip it of slowly and painfully with something like a blunt chisel.

The answer to be somewhat backwards is to not go there in the first place. Cramps are such important tools and glueing up is such an important process that you want the whole thing dead right. Of course we get glue on cramps like everybody else but we like to treat all our cramps with a coat of wax that prevents the inevitable dribbles from sticking on the bar's.

My stomach hurts reading this.

george wilson
11-17-2013, 8:01 AM
The English call clamps CRAMPS. Always have. It is correct for them.

Hilton Ralphs
11-17-2013, 8:25 AM
The English call clamps CRAMPS. Always have. It is correct for them.

Hectic! No wonder they lost the rugby yesterday.

Jim Matthews
11-17-2013, 8:45 AM
While the English have an indisputable claim on proper usage, I find the most
beautiful inflection of spoken English coming from South Africa,
followed closely by the Kiwis.

Some Finnish girls speak lovely English, but I'm afraid my comprehension drops if I can see them.
(Something about having my attention diverted...)

Last course of instruction I took, the teacher went on endless tangents about how us Yanks had it all wrong.
I did a head count and requested that a glossary of terms be provided, since the transgressions appeared endless.

Semantics, from a pedantic crank are endlessly entertaining - when you're paying for the privilege.

Jacob Reverb
11-17-2013, 9:30 AM
The English call clamps CRAMPS. Always have. It is correct for them.

Asians, too! http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/lol8.gif

Hilton Ralphs
11-17-2013, 10:10 AM
Asians, too! http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/lol8.gif

Oh my heavens, my coffee is now all over my lap!

Leo Graywacz
11-17-2013, 10:38 AM
I get cramps when I work to hard. I've never had glue stick to them though :p

David Weaver
11-17-2013, 10:57 AM
Semantics, from a pedantic crank are endlessly entertaining - when you're paying for the privilege.

People pay​ for this stuff?

steven c newman
11-17-2013, 11:33 AM
Cramps= clamps

Rebate=rabbet

Timber=lumber

Yep, somewhere i have a small book on wood working, by a Brit. They even work with a tie, under that sweater. Book was so dog-eared from my use, I think it ran away.

Tony Wilkins
11-17-2013, 11:53 AM
You think woodworking is bad try working on British cars -- tyres, spanners, etc

Hilton Ralphs
11-17-2013, 11:55 AM
Cramps= clamps

Rebate=rabbet

Timber=lumber


rebate make sense
clamp makes sense (too close to camp for my liking and my g-string is already used for other things)
timber makes sense (you don't hear a lumber-jock shouting 'lumber' when the tree is felled)

On the latter, timber is the tree in the ground, lumber is when it's lying on the ground.

Chris Vandiver
11-17-2013, 1:45 PM
rebate make sense
clamp makes sense (too close to camp for my liking and my g-string is already used for other things)
timber makes sense (you don't hear a lumber-jock shouting 'lumber' when the tree is felled)

On the latter, timber is the tree in the ground, lumber is when it's lying on the ground.

Timber frame?

Hilton Ralphs
11-17-2013, 1:58 PM
Timber frame?

As in a window frame?

Here we just call it a wooden frame.

I suppose eventually we'll all speak the same dialogue as the online global village gets bigger.

Graham Haydon
11-17-2013, 2:34 PM
Yep, as my first post here as a Brit, cramps are indeed what we call them. Some of the Americanisms are rubbing off, my workshop is now a 'shop although rebate is hard to give up. I think actually in Moxon which is older English it is refered to a rabbet.

Oh, and Hello everyone, I was not sure if there is an area to intoduce myself but though a post on a topic would be just as good as any. Looking forward to future conversations.

Chris Vandiver
11-17-2013, 3:54 PM
As in a window frame?

Here we just call it a wooden frame.

I suppose eventually we'll all speak the same dialogue as the online global village gets bigger.

As in timber framed structures.

Chris Vandiver
11-17-2013, 3:56 PM
Howdy Graham(how's that for an "Americanism"!).

Chris Griggs
11-17-2013, 4:19 PM
Yep, as my first post here as a Brit, cramps are indeed what we call them. Some of the Americanisms are rubbing off, my workshop is now a 'shop although rebate is hard to give up. I think actually in Moxon which is older English it is refered to a rabbet.

Oh, and Hello everyone, I was not sure if there is an area to intoduce myself but though a post on a topic would be just as good as any. Looking forward to future conversations.

Hi Graham. We know each other from the other far less cool forum :). Glad to see I dragged you over here.

Cody Kemble
11-17-2013, 4:20 PM
Now onto colloquialisms...how are y'uns doing over there.

Chris Griggs
11-17-2013, 4:25 PM
Now onto colloquialisms...how are y'uns doing over there.

In Pittsburgh its "Y'ins" I believe :)

Cody Kemble
11-17-2013, 4:43 PM
We'll I'm from around Hershey originally.

Tony Wilkins
11-17-2013, 5:02 PM
Hey Graham welcome

Jim Koepke
11-17-2013, 5:06 PM
I suppose eventually we'll all speak the same dialogue as the online global village gets bigger.

That is not a good bet. Many have said, "we are many peoples separated by a common language." Heck, when my wife is watching one of those programs about southern ghost hunters we need the subtitles.

My thinking on timber framing is hewn logs joined together. Lumber is wood that has been through a sawing process.

Of course, that is just my way of seeing things. My glassed could be all foggy or maybe it's just me being an old fogey.

jtk

Jim Koepke
11-17-2013, 5:11 PM
Howdy Graham,

Welcome to the Creek.

With all the dialects of North America to contend with I am sure we can work with someone using "The Queens English."

jtk

Graham Haydon
11-17-2013, 5:22 PM
Thanks all. Chris, the lure of your Millers Falls vid and your incredibly concise knowledge meant I had to sign up. I did good recently though, I think I sussed an old Stanley's story on the much cooler forum :D (hey they gave me a nice shiney "mentor badge") although I stand to be corrected http://www.woodtalkonline.com/topic/12510-stanley-hand-plane/ :).
Tony, good to see a familiar face so to speak, I though It must of been your good self, how's the moxon vice going?

David Weaver
11-17-2013, 5:29 PM
We'll I'm from around Hershey originally.

My grandfather grew up in gettysburg and my grandmother in greencastle. They used youns.

Winton Applegate
11-17-2013, 5:32 PM
yes I know what you mean.
My first exposure to this "CRAMP" for clamp thing was as a little kid reading this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Manual-Metalworking-Peter-Scott/dp/0500680124/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1384723532&sr=1-1&keywords=metalworking+peter+scott
(http://www.amazon.com/Manual-Metalworking-Peter-Scott/dp/0500680124/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1384723532&sr=1-1&keywords=metalworking+peter+scott)
I thought it was a misprint and kept wondering what other things they got "wrong" in the book.

Too late about the warning about working on British cars. Some how I totally relate to them and we get along splendidly.
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/noydb1/IMG_0706_zps86cfb9e6.jpg (http://s801.photobucket.com/user/noydb1/media/IMG_0706_zps86cfb9e6.jpg.html)
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/noydb1/MrLiffty_zps624a0a55.jpg (http://s801.photobucket.com/user/noydb1/media/MrLiffty_zps624a0a55.jpg.html)


Poor Lucus, she is soooo misunderstood. She just wants a bit of attention to be a beautiful and loyal adventure companion.
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/noydb1/images-3_zpsa5dcb9bf.jpeg (http://s801.photobucket.com/user/noydb1/media/images-3_zpsa5dcb9bf.jpeg.html)


Not that the Italian girls don't turn my head from time to time
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/noydb1/IMG_0030_zps6c31bb4f.jpg (http://s801.photobucket.com/user/noydb1/media/IMG_0030_zps6c31bb4f.jpg.html)

(oooh wrinkle finish !)
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/noydb1/IMG_0028_zps49ff7bce.jpg (http://s801.photobucket.com/user/noydb1/media/IMG_0028_zps49ff7bce.jpg.html)

(and metal knobs ! WhooF !)
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/noydb1/IMG_0029_zps2d3d71cb.jpg (http://s801.photobucket.com/user/noydb1/media/IMG_0029_zps2d3d71cb.jpg.html)


but . . . where was I . . ., oh yah, . . .
loyalty though, means a great deal doesn't it ?

From my earliest days I worked on Euro style racing bicycles, sew ups and all, so "spanner" was an early and permanent word in my mind.

PS: you guys are hilarious today, did a medical herb shop catch fire up the road or what?
PPS: dang it I thought I made the photos small enough this time.

Winton Applegate
11-17-2013, 5:44 PM
Hi Graham !

Glad you joined up.
I'm the local contraryone.
Can't help it.
Don't take me too serious.

Any photos of what you like to build,
your shop dog or just anything you want to put up ?
(other than the nudies they frown on that heavily here)

Photobucket seems to be the way to best add photos here.

Winton Applegate
11-17-2013, 5:55 PM
Master poster,
Apprentice poster
Journeyman poster


That's cool !
We need something like that here.
Apprentice debater
Journeyman debater
Masterdebater.
:)

Graham Haydon
11-17-2013, 6:29 PM
Hello Winston,

I'm working on being a master....never mind. Any how, things I like. Well my day job is Joinery http://gshaydon.co.uk/index.html .My fun time is whatever floats my boat and at the moment that's old school stuff http://gshaydon.co.uk/blog/ . I just finished my workbench which was fun, I did a few videos and a project thread here http://www.woodtalkonline.com/topic/11473-british-joiners-bench/ (the videos do get slightly better and I do talk in the end) . I also have a ton of scrap booked ideas on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/joinery/boards/ . I will up load some stuff but I'm still learning how to navigate this place.

Tony Wilkins
11-17-2013, 7:15 PM
Tony, good to see a familiar face so to speak, I though It must of been your good self, how's the moxon vice going?

It's working well though I still need to undo that glue joint and flip sides. I'm trying to get some free time to try a couple of Roubo book stands for Christmas.

ray hampton
11-17-2013, 7:19 PM
Greeting Graham

Jim Matthews
11-17-2013, 7:25 PM
People pay​ for this stuff?

Grudgingly, but yes.
I find many of the woodworking 'gurus' more appealing on video, than in person.

Chris Vandiver
11-17-2013, 9:17 PM
That is not a good bet. Many have said, "we are many peoples separated by a common language." Heck, when my wife is watching one of those programs about southern ghost hunters we need the subtitles.

My thinking on timber framing is hewn logs joined together. Lumber is wood that has been through a sawing process.

Of course, that is just my way of seeing things. My glassed could be all foggy or maybe it's just me being an old fogey.

jtk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_framing









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tim·ber
ˈtimbər/
noun
noun: timber


1.
wood prepared for use in building and carpentry.
"the exploitation of forests for timber"


synonyms:
wood (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+wood&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDAQ_SowAA), lumber (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+lumber&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDEQ_SowAA), logs; More trees, sawlogs;
hardwood (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+hardwood&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDMQ_SowAA), softwood (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+softwood&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDQQ_SowAA);
beam (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+beam&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDUQ_SowAA), spar (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+spar&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDYQ_SowAA), plank (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+plank&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDcQ_SowAA), batten (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+batten&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDgQ_SowAA), lath (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+lath&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDkQ_SowAA), board (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+board&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDoQ_SowAA), joist (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+joist&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDsQ_SowAA), rafter (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+rafter&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CDwQ_SowAA)
"some eighty acres of marketable timber"









trees grown for timber.
"contracts to cut timber"



a wooden beam or board used in building a house, ship, or other structure.
plural noun: timbers


synonyms:
wood (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+wood&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CD0Q_SowAA), lumber (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+lumber&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CD4Q_SowAA), logs; More trees, sawlogs;
hardwood (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+hardwood&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CEAQ_SowAA), softwood (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+softwood&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CEEQ_SowAA);
beam (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+beam&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CEIQ_SowAA), spar (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+spar&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CEMQ_SowAA), plank (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+plank&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CEQQ_SowAA), batten (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+batten&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CEUQ_SowAA), lath (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+lath&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CEYQ_SowAA), board (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+board&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CEcQ_SowAA), joist (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+joist&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CEgQ_SowAA), rafter (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/search?rlz=1T4GGIK_en___US2&q=define+rafter&sa=X&ei=b3iJUuiOCdHbiwKwpoBo&ved=0CEkQ_SowAA)
"some eighty acres of marketable timber"









used to warn that a tree is about to fall after being cut.
exclamation: timber
"we cried “Timber!” as our tree fell"



personal qualities or character, esp. as seen

ray hampton
11-18-2013, 12:41 PM
If you are talking about log cabins and timber framing, THEN the timber do not need to be hew from end to end , only where the logs meet at the corner

glenn bradley
11-18-2013, 12:52 PM
The English call clamps CRAMPS. Always have. It is correct for them.

Yep. Glasspaper will have me do a double take now and again as well..

ray hampton
11-18-2013, 3:16 PM
Yep. Glasspaper will have me do a double take now and again as well..

this is interest, what are the Brits referring to when they use the word " clamps

Bill White
11-19-2013, 11:47 AM
To further the Brit auto lexicon:
A wrist pin is/was referred to as a "gudgeon", and kerosene is/was "paraffin".
I kept looking through my Norton parts trying to find a "gudgeon" and wondering why I should wash parts in wax.:confused:
Bill

george wilson
11-19-2013, 12:24 PM
I had to correct a rather major British site run by a guy I went to England specifically to meet. He thought American "paraffin" was turpentine. You definitely don't want to get turpentine on your machine tools!

Winton Applegate
11-21-2013, 1:22 AM
Graham,
Thanks for the links !
Looks like I will be learning a thing or two from you.
(That does it . . . I'm changing my name to Winston)

ray hampton
11-21-2013, 12:00 PM
Graham,
Thanks for the links !
Looks like I will be learning a thing or two from you.
(That does it . . . I'm changing my name to Winston)

Winston Churchill ?

Winton Applegate
11-21-2013, 10:24 PM
Winston Churchill ?

Certainly not. I could never begin to fill THOSE SHOES !
We do have one thing in common though . . . we are/were both cranky.

Just hearing or seeing that name makes me sit up straight and sends a chill up my spine.
What a man !
What a time !

Kevin Jenness
12-08-2013, 3:45 PM
According to Robert Ingham,

"Any clamp with a screw thread is actually a cramp. Any clamp with a lever or cam is a true clamp."

Frank Trinkle
12-08-2013, 3:47 PM
Actually, adding some powdered Midol to the glue will alleviate those pesky cramps!:D