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jack forsberg
11-04-2013, 9:10 AM
many makers made the Radial arm saws but only a few made some really nice ones. In my country(canada) and south Uni point(Northfield) is said to be the one saw to have mostly because its center privet(really just a massive SCMS). I personal like the Stenner for that kind of saw with its under table dust pickup but there both kool saws. there hard to find up here in Canada too.


There's just not that many types of cross cut saws are there? (i am not counting the compound miters saws) There's the old swing saws and the american Mattison saw with its odd accordion arm, the Oliver is odd too. The turret saws(delta) , the arm saws(dewalt) and the ubiquitous Sears sucker . There are a few others like the rare Porter pedal saw but they all do the same thing for the most part and all come up with a way to carry the saw through a cut. Makers all made there mark and style in many grades and classes when the RAS was king but only a few made truly great ones. I tend to like the heaver ones and Wadkin made a fine sample of its patent cross cut C famley saws that was designed in the 20s (one of wadkin's first motor driven saws 1922)with a motor not yet tried in England made by BTH to inprove the depth of cut when a saw blade useing the motor rotor as the spindle . That motor would later become the Wadkin PK motor.


If ones wants a RAS one can have one for about $150 that is in good nick because they are viewed as useless in the shop by today's standards. I guess that the real value is in working or braking down timber(still something i do). for me though I collect an era of machine to do the work I do not that I need that era or maker to do the work its just what i do to keep myself entertained.


here is a catalog cut from 1922 of a wadkin AC(first generation cross cut saw), My guess is the AC stands for AC power as Wadkin used a 3rd letter in its early models with motors while still making its line machines(eg PKA,RAA, EPA)to indicate drive type and A was used for AC power.


http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad111/tool613/wadkin/282318745_zps9a37425e.jpg (http://s927.photobucket.com/user/tool613/media/wadkin/282318745_zps9a37425e.jpg.html)


there was even a portable model made though one needs rail for it


http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad111/tool613/wadkin/images_zps4ea760d3.jpg (http://s927.photobucket.com/user/tool613/media/wadkin/images_zps4ea760d3.jpg.html)


Picked up today 2 Wadkin CC2 cross cuts saws for a dime and i got the blades for $400. One saw has a full 16" stacked dado with it. The deal also included a second freshly sharpened 16" dado set, one freshly sharpened 14" dado set, one sharpened 14" set that's missing most of the chippers, one 16" crosscut blade and two 18" crosscut blades.... A real good chunk of $$$ in blades there but who pays retail for tooling :cool:


http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad111/tool613/wadkin/ImageUploadedByTapatalk1383183956095126_zps5cf7986 3.jpg (http://s927.photobucket.com/user/tool613/media/wadkin/ImageUploadedByTapatalk1383183956095126_zps5cf7986 3.jpg.html)


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Now the saw blades are a great deal and can be used on My Wadkin PK as well. this worked out as good tooling for the timber framer who used them but i am looking for Wadkin Tooling. Thought there might be some one With it in a drawer or Know were some is. It,s the trenching heads i am looking for.


tooling I got
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad111/tool613/wadkin/ImageUploadedByTapatalk13831856507533271_zps0f5ff4 1f.jpg (http://s927.photobucket.com/user/tool613/media/wadkin/ImageUploadedByTapatalk13831856507533271_zps0f5ff4 1f.jpg.html)


Tooling i am looking for.
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad111/tool613/wadkin/T2eC16JHJIUFHINDykylBSRHsykIFw60_58_zpsb1e72d8b.jp g (http://s927.photobucket.com/user/tool613/media/wadkin/T2eC16JHJIUFHINDykylBSRHsykIFw60_58_zpsb1e72d8b.jp g.html)


http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad111/tool613/wadkin/cchead_zps3c4679fd.jpg (http://s927.photobucket.com/user/tool613/media/wadkin/cchead_zps3c4679fd.jpg.html)




thanks for looking

David Kumm
11-04-2013, 9:59 AM
Jack, what is length of stroke and depth of cut? HP is 4 like the PK? Let us know the method Wadkin used to keep the adjustments accurate on that long stroke. Also bummed that your weather looks better than here in WI. Dave

jack forsberg
11-04-2013, 11:13 AM
Jack, what is length of stroke and depth of cut? HP is 4 like the PK? Let us know the method Wadkin used to keep the adjustments accurate on that long stroke. Also bummed that your weather looks better than here in WI. Dave

Dave i think what keeps the cartage accurate is the distance between bearings(18") and a replaceable /flipping drill rod runners. These are CC2 saw with a 5x28 and 1x32 cross cut with 5 HP motor and 18" blade size.

here are some Catolog cuts.

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http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad111/tool613/wadkin/cc2_zpsdcb20b35.jpg (http://s927.photobucket.com/user/tool613/media/wadkin/cc2_zpsdcb20b35.jpg.html)

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad111/tool613/wadkin/cc1_zps790c8f36.jpg (http://s927.photobucket.com/user/tool613/media/wadkin/cc1_zps790c8f36.jpg.html)

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad111/tool613/wadkin/ccroolers_zpse1f34a73.jpg (http://s927.photobucket.com/user/tool613/media/wadkin/ccroolers_zpse1f34a73.jpg.html)

and a video of one in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJkfcuX03f8

jack
English machines

mreza Salav
11-04-2013, 12:21 PM
Nice, I could use one of them when I was triming the 6"x5" posts for my door project....

Joe Calhoon
11-04-2013, 12:23 PM
Hi Jack,
Yes a lot of radial arm saws but none very accurate. My only experence has been 3 Dewalts that could never hold square but were good for rough breakdown.The Graule is the radial I have been wanting for a while and just acquired one from this site. Not as heavy as Wadkin, but heavy in the right places.
Only made a couple cuts so far but very smooth with the hydro damper and hopefully will hold accuracy.
I like the way the blade is fully covered in the back position.274346274347

Joe

jack forsberg
11-04-2013, 3:58 PM
Hi Joe

looks like a nice one that Graule. I call them the center privet type saws. the blade always brakes through the fence at the same point. Like i said up top that is what the Uni point Northfield is so praised for. A very nice American saw.
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad111/tool613/wadkin/940f8f41a04e1f40743d80dc75678dd2_zps0b1daea4.jpg (http://s927.photobucket.com/user/tool613/media/wadkin/940f8f41a04e1f40743d80dc75678dd2_zps0b1daea4.jpg.h tml)

you Know i am always looking for better Kit that's older and I really would like to get my hands on the Stenner center privet mostly because I have a Stenner mortiser and know the quality. I love the dust pick up in/below the table, but the controls at the back look like a pain. Very rare UK saw that i have never see come up around me.

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad111/tool613/wadkin/stenner1_zps5d8fbcf7.jpg (http://s927.photobucket.com/user/tool613/media/wadkin/stenner1_zps5d8fbcf7.jpg.html)

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I share your sentiment for the Dewalts. the biggest fault is that there bearings for the saw cartage ride on milled ways in the cast arm and can not be refreshed as they ware.this in turn leaves them sloppy and untrue over time. IMHO the Dewalts are just not in the same class as the saws above. lumber yard saws really IMO