FM50 VFD Update

[David DeCristoforo]

I just know everyone is holding their breath waiting to hear! :)

All those who predicted that FactoryMation would find nothing wrong were right! The unit checks out fine. I even heard a motor running off of it when I was on the phone with them. So the VFD is on it's way back to me. Apparently the problem lies with the motor itself. I had the motor bench tested today and it seems to work fine so the fact that the motor is a 5hp instead of a 3hp remains a "probable cause" of the anomaly. I have the motor for sale and hopefully will get it sold and acquire a 2 or 3hp replacement before I get the VFD back. Then it will be time for round 2...

[Reed Gray]

David,
Keep the big motor and make a big bandsaw!!!! I have a 4.5 hp Baldor on my big bandsaw. Love it, lots of power, but think I need to make my own bandsaw. They are not designed for woodturners......

robo hippy

[Josh Bowman]

David, that sounds great. Hopefully a motor will find it's way to the monster.

[Nate Davey]

Glad to hear it wasn't a catastrophe, David. Like Reeds idea about a homemade bandsaw!

[Brad Adams]

That's great news! There was a 2 hp 3 phase listed on craigslist in my area for a reasonable price. I'll see if I can find it and let you know.

[David DeCristoforo]

This on ebay... great price "new". But what is a "metric" motor? is that just the shaft and mounting holes are metric? Will this work with the FM50?

LEESON 193301.60 Metric Motor 3 HP, 3 Phase 230/460V Frame DF100L. Premium Efficiency Metric Motor,
3-Phase,
Totally Enclosed Fan-Cooled Enclosure,
3 HP,
2.2 kW,
Nameplate RPM 1800,
NEMA/IEC Frame DF100L,
Voltage 230/460V, 60/50 Hz, 3 Phase, Full Load Amps 8/4,
Rigid Mounting, Thermal Protection None,
B3 Foot Mounting Type, Insulation Class F, Service Factor 1.15,
Double Sealed Ball Bearings, Frame Material Cast Iron,
Ambient Temperature 40 Degrees C, Ambient (C) 40,
CW/CCW Rotation, Nominal Efficiency 89.5 Percent,
Continuous Duty, 1400-1800[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[David DeCristoforo]

"What RPM are you looking for?"

17-1800 RPM I'd rather find a 3hp but 2hp would probably be plenty and they seem much easier to find!

[Richard Coers]

This on ebay... great price "new". But what is a "metric" motor? is that just the shaft and mounting holes are metric? Will this work with the FM50?

LEESON 193301.60 Metric Motor 3 HP, 3 Phase 230/460V Frame DF100L. Premium Efficiency Metric Motor,
3-Phase,
Totally Enclosed Fan-Cooled Enclosure,
3 HP,
2.2 kW,
Nameplate RPM 1800,
NEMA/IEC Frame DF100L,
Voltage 230/460V, 60/50 Hz, 3 Phase, Full Load Amps 8/4,
Rigid Mounting, Thermal Protection None,
B3 Foot Mounting Type, Insulation Class F, Service Factor 1.15,
Double Sealed Ball Bearings, Frame Material Cast Iron,
Ambient Temperature 40 Degrees C, Ambient (C) 40,
CW/CCW Rotation, Nominal Efficiency 89.5 Percent,
Continuous Duty, 1400-1800[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Well you are definitely not a quitter. But I'm thinking you are making this about as difficult as you can. Sometimes, getting local help can not be beat. Find a motor shop, have them help you wire it up, then get to turning. All this internet research and "advice" would really wear on me, but maybe you enjoy buying stuff, sending it back for analysis, trying to buy a cheap eBay motor that may or not work, selling the motor that didn't work, etc...........

[roger oldre]

"metric" is concerning the dimensions of the motor, fasteners, and shaft size. If you are using an insert to fasten the pulley to the shaft it wont make any difference.

second point the motor you are referring to on EBAY has a standard mount and totals 145 dollars with shipping.

Another option also on EBAY is from the same seller. It has a base mount and also a "C" face mount but it is only 110 dollars total with shipping.

[David DeCristoforo]

Maybe I should just forget the whole thing and buy a VB36! Yeah... One day when I'm rolling in dough. But thanx for the suggestion. In the meantime I have to remain within a tight budget. One local shop quoted me $1200 to set it up. I'm afraid DIY is my only option at this time.

[David DeCristoforo]

I'm looking at that "other option" as well...

[Dale Miner]

It seems to me that if the vfd checked out OK, and the motor checked out OK, there can only be two areas that the reason for no go lie in. Namely, either incorrect programming, or incorrect wiring. Armed with your now hard fought knowledge, why not give the combination another try before swapping out the motor.

[Rick Markham]

I have several Leeson Motors David, and never have had a problem with them. A 3 hp on my bandsaw is a leeson, the 3hp on the industrial belt grinder is a 3 phase leeson, and a 5HP 3phase Leeson on the dust collector. So far mine have been very nice motors.

[David DeCristoforo]

"...why not give the combination another try..."

My thinking on this is that, for whatever reason, the motor I have did not play well with the VFD. And even if it does, it's still a 5HP motor and the VFD is rated for up to a 3HP motor. So one way or the other, the motor is going to have to change. I pulled the trigger on the Leeson motor which is a "brand new" motor for ten cents on the dollar. Even with the shipping cost, it's a great buy and the metric thing is a non issue. I can easily shim the pulley and my motor mount is also easily adapted. I have the 5HP motor up for sale and it will be pretty much of a "wash". This has been fraught with false starts and missteps but I have learned a lot in the process. I'm really not out much other than some time and a bit of frustration.

[Roger Chandler]

"...why not give the combination another try..."

My thinking on this is that, for whatever reason, the motor I have did not play well with the VFD. And even if it does, it's still a 5HP motor and the VFD is rated for up to a 3HP motor. So one way or the other, the motor is going to have to change. I pulled the trigger on the Leeson motor which is a "brand new" motor for ten cents on the dollar. Even with the shipping cost, it's a great buy and the metric thing is a non issue. I can easily shim the pulley and my motor mount is also easily adapted. I have the 5HP motor up for sale and it will be pretty much of a "wash". This has been fraught with false starts and missteps but I have learned a lot in the process. I'm really not out much other than some time and a bit of frustration.

Well..........this fellow turner is really pulling for you, David! I empathize with the frustrating circumstances you have endured........I think the concrete monster and your talent are a force waiting to be unleashed and I really hope this combination of motor and VFD work without a hiccup this time around!

[Mike Cruz]

I told you so! I KNEW it was the mismatch...that was what I said all along! Oh, wait, no I didn't...:o

[John RStegall]

Metric may also be referring to the fact that it is a 50 hz rather than the standard US 60 hz (that was the info you supplied).

[John Lifer]

You asked if the motor will work. It will if the tech puts out 8amps at 230volts. That is the question. Goodluck

[Ken Fitzgerald]

David,

Leeson motors are well respected.

[Sid Matheny]

I really hope this one works out for you DD. I know you have about pulled your hair out with all this. Once you get it going it will be worth it!


Sid

[David DeCristoforo]

FWIW, all of the specs for this motor are a match for the specs on the FM50.

[David C. Roseman]

David,
Keep the big motor and make a big bandsaw!!!! [snip]

DD, Reed has a great idea! With your ingenuity, I bet you could figure out a way to do it with concrete. Your epic journey with the concrete lathe has been so much fun I'm sure the bandsaw would be a equal hit!

David