How many bowls per day?

[Clif Moore]

I am new to turning. Still learning how to use the tools I have properly. I can get about half a bowl done in the time I have during a Saturday or Sunday. I was wondering, once I my skills are more developed, how many bowls per day can an experienced turner produce? I know there are many variable ( green vs dry, size of bowl, etc.) so ballpark it for me?

[Roger Chandler]

I don't claim to be an expert at bowl turning..........as you said there are many variables. If I have a piece of wood suitable for turning to finish, I can turn a 10" diameter bowl in about an hour +/- 15 minutes, including sanding...........finishing is another add on as far as time.

[Scott Hackler]

Very similar to Roger, if I was roughing out 10" bowls from green wood.. about a bowl an hour. Turning green to final thickness and light sanding, about 2 hours. Dry wood to finish sanded maybe 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 hours...maybe.

[Brian Kent]

It takes me about an hour and fifteen minutes to four hours depending on the wood, whether it is wet or dry, and how balanced it is on the inside.

Eucalyptus really varies in weight between the inside and outside of the log, moves even when mostly dry, and is very hard (when mostly dry) and I am turning on a Delta 46-460. I have to keep it slow even after it has a round shape. Maybe 500 rpm. Then it changes shape again and I have to sand at the slowest speed or off in order to reach all of the surfaces. That's the 2 to 4 hour option.

My dry avocado is soft, sands easily, and doesn't do any shape shifting, so an hour and fifteen minutes lets me turn an enclosed form (not a hollow form) with sanding and fast-finishing.

My total hobbyist bowl count is in the dozens, not hundreds.

[Brian Kent]

I am relieved, Roger. First time I read your post I thought you said +/- 15 minutes :eek:, not "an hour and +/- fifteen minutes".

[Clif Moore]

Thanks guys. I was thinking about 2 hours, start to finish, would be a good benchmark. I'll keep working on it.

[Roger Chandler]

I am relieved, Roger. First time I read your post I thought you said +/- 15 minutes :eek:, not "an hour and +/- fifteen minutes".

Glad you caught that hour and not just the minutes, Brian! I have done a bowl in 30 minutes.......from good wood........that is not the norm, however. A lot of times, just getting the tenon shaped on the piece for me is one of the most time consuming things........you have to figure out how you are going to hold a piece until you can get a tenon turned........

......that has improved dramatically with the chuck plate I got from Jerry M. in AZ. that thing really helps in getting a tenon turned from a log blank.

[Al Wasser]

If you read one of Raffan's books he says he can do it a lot faster than any of us mere mortals. He suggest time in minutes is equal to the diameter times the thickness.

[James Combs]

I can't believe you folks are talking minutes and hours, I thought I was doing good measuring in days.:eek: Guess I need to brush up on my technique a little or quit lolly gagging or something.:o

[Richard Madden]

I can't believe you folks are talking minutes and hours, I thought I was doing good measuring in days.:eek: Guess I need to brush up on my technique a little or quit lolly gagging or something.:o

You and me both James.

[Tim Boger]

The longer it takes me the better as far as I'm concerned ... I do segmented work and the joy is in the process.

It's not how much I can do in the time I have, it's how much time I have to do it.

Tim

[Michael Stafford]

Glenn Lucas turns several thousand bowls per year. He is pretty quick. I have watched him rip wood from a bowl blank using a 3/4" bowl gouge with a 1" sweep on the flute so fast that the wood was screaming. It is frightening to see how quickly the wood is turned to chips. Mike Mahoney is another rather speedy production turner.

Here is a Lucas video clip showing him removing wood with that big gouge. Doesn't take him long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTohOsvzjD0

[Richard Coers]

First liar doesn't have a chance. I can turn a bowl in 2 minutes. You didn't mention size. What's the hurry? A beginner that worries about speed is cheating himself of the joy of turning. Learn the process, be safe, throw away a few, and for goodness sake, don't get in a rush to sell. Every new guy thinks he will pay off the new lathe with his "art". Throw them away, or give them to your aunt. Just have some fun! After you've messed up a few, find a mentor in a local club. This isn't a skill learned easily on the Internet and YouTube.

[Jim Underwood]

Turning green wood is the way to learn. Once you have had a few Saturday sessions blanking out wood and turning rough outs you begin to pick up speed and improve technique. Or the other way around. I think I remember turning sixteen rough outs one weekend. I was sure tired though...

[Peter Blair]

I'm with Jim. What's the rush unless you are a production turner of course. If I really get into it I often rough out 10 or 12 on a weekend including coring and boiling them but that was an extreme.

[alex grams]

In a given night after the kid goes to sleep, I can rough out about 2 bowls in 1.5-2 hours. I just got the mcnaughton medium/large system and am learning with that,but it is giving me 2-3 times as many bowls in the same time frame, maybe 10 minutes more per blank in setup and such.

Finishing is another hour or so per bowl, depending it is is going to be a highly finished/polished bowl, add time, or if it is a rustic style where I don't need to take it down as much with the higher grits.

[Pat Scott]

Clif realize there is a difference between a production turner and an experienced turner. Glenn Lucas and Mike Mahoney are production turners, where time is money for them. They make their living from selling what they make, so they need to make more than one or two bowls a day (they do 25+ per day). They spend all day, 5-6 days a week at the lathe, and they have developed a lot of skill over 20 years of doing production work, so don't think you can do what they do. Glenn used to make 4,000 bowls a year, he's down to around 2,000-2,500 a year now. Mike did several thousand a year also but has cut back production work and wants to spend more time on other projects and ideas.

Years ago I was the same as you when I first started, for me it was somewhat frustrating to spend all weekend and only complete one bowl if I was lucky. That's when I figured I could use some pointers so I took Glenn's and Mike's 5-day Signature Class at Craft Supplies (Glenn's twice and Mike's once). It's helped for sure, but I'm no where near Glenn's speed (who in my mind is faster than Mike). Yes it's all about enjoying the process, but for me I enjoy the process a lot more when I don't spend 1/2 the day on one bowl (but it can happen).

Glenn makes 2-1/2 passes on the outside of his bowls to rough them out. I take at least 10-12. But there are many factors leading to Glenn's 2-1/2 passes: lathe that can handle a big cut (3-hp lathe), sharp tools (Glenn's roughing gouge can take up to a 2" wide cut, I only take a 3/4" cut), and of course technique, skill, experience, etc. Also Glenn starts with planks that have been cut on a bandsaw mill, not log form like most of us. This means Glenn doesn't have all the bark and unevenness to deal with (no air-wood-air), and can start right in cutting solid wood with big cuts.

Glenn has devised a fast way to mount and unmount blanks using his stub arbor and modified faceplate. Mike uses a screw center which is what I use. Others use a faceplate, and I started out with a faceplate as well. I don't think Glenn's system would work for me because I don't start with smooth planks.

I can rough shape the outside of a 13"-15" salad bowl in about 12 minutes including tenon. I can completely rough turn a dozen bowls in several hours where Glenn might do the same thing in 1/2 hour. I'm also 18 years older than Glenn and after a few bowls will slow down as I get tired.

For dried salad bowl blanks, I can finish turn the outside and inside and be ready for sanding in as little as 30 minutes, but sometimes it takes an hour or more. This doesn't allow time for embellishments or fancy details, but on a utility bowl you don't want details where food and bacteria can get trapped. I also turn simple shapes but concentrate on a pleasing curve, consistent wall thickness, and proper proportions for height/width and base. Each bowl is of course an opportunity to practice what I've learned, and with practice comes efficiency. I think I spend too much time removing and finishing the bottom, so I'm working on that.

Glenn spends 4 minutes sanding a bowl. Mike said if he spends more than 15 minutes sanding, he's losing money. I spend longer than that. For a utility piece you don't have to inspect it with a magnifying glass to see if you've got every single scratch removed. Glenn uses his sandpaper once and throws it away. I still try and get 2 or 3 bowls from each piece of sandpaper but I am getting better at throwing it away sooner.

As you're starting out, concentrate more on developing your skill, a pleasing shape, nice curve inside and out, consistent wall and bottom thickness, base, etc. Speed comes with repetition. If you can make a bowl in 2 hours that's fine. But if the finished piece looks and feels like crap, then was it worth hurrying? Quality first, then quantity.

[Reed Gray]

Well, many years ago, it took me about an hour to finish turn a 10 by 3 inch bowl. Now, I can do it under 5 minutes. More horse power, more torque, refined techniques, and lots of practice. Drilled recess in the top, tooled recess in the bottom. That was done strictly for time. 10 bowls that size in an hour is no problem. I have to dry them before sanding, and sanding generally takes a bit longer.

robo hippy

[Dale Bonertz]

Pat, said a mouth full and what was said is spot on. I would like to add that "time is money" for a production turner but "time is precious" for a hobby turner. With that in mind always keep an open mind for processes and efficiencies in your shop. What you're hearing about speed is tool control but it is due to process and efficiencies. Most turners over time develop processes and efficiencies that take less time in sharpening, holding methods, cuts, forming tenons/recesses and etc. Allow yourself the privilege to develop yours in your shop environment and tools available to you. As your shop grows in tools available so will your growth be in new processes and efficiencies. As your processes and efficiencies grow you can't help but develop better tool control by being in the shop and working with them. Tool control isn't just about the gouge, scrapers and etc. it is about all tools in your shop. All this equates to faster production and a more satisfying shop time. Good luck and enjoy the process.

[Lee Koepke]

I do it for fun so I rarely hurry. Also only been at it for a couple of years now. In general I am in the ballpark of being able to get a couple done on any given Sat / Sun because I usually tinker with a few other things while I am in my shop.

I did make a small 6" maple bowl in 90 minutes from chainsaw to photo booth......

[Clif Moore]

First liar doesn't have a chance. I can turn a bowl in 2 minutes. You didn't mention size. What's the hurry? A beginner that worries about speed is cheating himself of the joy of turning. Learn the process, be safe, throw away a few, and for goodness sake, don't get in a rush to sell. Every new guy thinks he will pay off the new lathe with his "art". Throw them away, or give them to your aunt. Just have some fun! After you've messed up a few, find a mentor in a local club. This isn't a skill learned easily on the Internet and YouTube.

I was just wondering after seeing turners in person and in videos move quickly through the process. I'm not in any hurry. Just curious.

[Clif Moore]

In a given night after the kid goes to sleep, I can rough out about 2 bowls in 1.5-2 hours. I just got the mcnaughton medium/large system and am learning with that,but it is giving me 2-3 times as many bowls in the same time frame, maybe 10 minutes more per blank in setup and such.

Finishing is another hour or so per bowl, depending it is is going to be a highly finished/polished bowl, add time, or if it is a rustic style where I don't need to take it down as much with the higher grits.

Thanks, Aggie. That's good info. Xmas isn't that far away and a McNaughton system would make a great gift (for me).

[Clif Moore]

Clif realize there is a difference between a production turner and an experienced turner. Glenn Lucas and Mike Mahoney are production turners, where time is money for them. They make their living from selling what they make, so they need to make more than one or two bowls a day (they do 25+ per day). They spend all day, 5-6 days a week at the lathe, and they have developed a lot of skill over 20 years of doing production work, so don't think you can do what they do. Glenn used to make 4,000 bowls a year, he's down to around 2,000-2,500 a year now. Mike did several thousand a year also but has cut back production work and wants to spend more time on other projects and ideas.

Years ago I was the same as you when I first started, for me it was somewhat frustrating to spend all weekend and only complete one bowl if I was lucky. That's when I figured I could use some pointers so I took Glenn's and Mike's 5-day Signature Class at Craft Supplies (Glenn's twice and Mike's once). It's helped for sure, but I'm no where near Glenn's speed (who in my mind is faster than Mike). Yes it's all about enjoying the process, but for me I enjoy the process a lot more when I don't spend 1/2 the day on one bowl (but it can happen).

Glenn makes 2-1/2 passes on the outside of his bowls to rough them out. I take at least 10-12. But there are many factors leading to Glenn's 2-1/2 passes: lathe that can handle a big cut (3-hp lathe), sharp tools (Glenn's roughing gouge can take up to a 2" wide cut, I only take a 3/4" cut), and of course technique, skill, experience, etc. Also Glenn starts with planks that have been cut on a bandsaw mill, not log form like most of us. This means Glenn doesn't have all the bark and unevenness to deal with (no air-wood-air), and can start right in cutting solid wood with big cuts.

Glenn has devised a fast way to mount and unmount blanks using his stub arbor and modified faceplate. Mike uses a screw center which is what I use. Others use a faceplate, and I started out with a faceplate as well. I don't think Glenn's system would work for me because I don't start with smooth planks.

I can rough shape the outside of a 13"-15" salad bowl in about 12 minutes including tenon. I can completely rough turn a dozen bowls in several hours where Glenn might do the same thing in 1/2 hour. I'm also 18 years older than Glenn and after a few bowls will slow down as I get tired.

For dried salad bowl blanks, I can finish turn the outside and inside and be ready for sanding in as little as 30 minutes, but sometimes it takes an hour or more. This doesn't allow time for embellishments or fancy details, but on a utility bowl you don't want details where food and bacteria can get trapped. I also turn simple shapes but concentrate on a pleasing curve, consistent wall thickness, and proper proportions for height/width and base. Each bowl is of course an opportunity to practice what I've learned, and with practice comes efficiency. I think I spend too much time removing and finishing the bottom, so I'm working on that.

Glenn spends 4 minutes sanding a bowl. Mike said if he spends more than 15 minutes sanding, he's losing money. I spend longer than that. For a utility piece you don't have to inspect it with a magnifying glass to see if you've got every single scratch removed. Glenn uses his sandpaper once and throws it away. I still try and get 2 or 3 bowls from each piece of sandpaper but I am getting better at throwing it away sooner.

As you're starting out, concentrate more on developing your skill, a pleasing shape, nice curve inside and out, consistent wall and bottom thickness, base, etc. Speed comes with repetition. If you can make a bowl in 2 hours that's fine. But if the finished piece looks and feels like crap, then was it worth hurrying? Quality first, then quantity.

Thanks, Pat, for the detailed response. Exactly what I was looking for. I will look up those classes. There are also volunteer instructors from my local AAW chapter I plan to look up.

[Clif Moore]

Thanks guys for all the responses. That's what I needed to know, and much more!

[Dan Jechura]

I've been turning for about 3 years and I consider myself a newbe still. I turn green then come back when the bowl dries. I have a lot of logs waiting to be turn. I have turned around 200 bowls, most chunky and not consistent, but nice looking. Only in the last month or so have I been turning thinner ( 1/4 to 3/8 inch) and consistent wall thickness. And with little or no tool marks. When I started out I could ruff out a bowl in a couple hours. Now maybe 1/2 hr. and finish turning in a hour. Depending on size. My biggest bowl to date is 22 inch's. I have not tried segmented bowl yet. Don't worry about speed enjoy the turning and learn tool control.

Dan J.