Baluster - boy do I need a steady rest!

[Jim Underwood]

This took 3-1/2 hours of my life last night, and boy was it tedious! The wood moved as soon as I cut into it and got it round, and then it was no longer concentric. I managed to turn it with no steady rest, but it was slow going because of all the chatter.

One of the reasons it was so whippy is that the original baluster was only about 35+ inches, but for some reason the customer wanted it to be 41 inches- another 5+ inches on the slim end.
1-3/4" square x .90" diameter on the round end, x 41" long.

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Any recommendations on a steady rest?

(PS. anyone ever notice how lathe manufacturers fudge on their capacity numbers? They should rename the Jet 1642 to something like the JET 15.75" x almost 41"... The head stock was right up against the stop, and the tailstock was hanging halfway off the bed.)

[John M. Smith]

Oneway spindle steady is nice for spindles. Carter's multirest is very versatile. Not sure how small it will go for spindles though. I gae both so I never have used Carter's for anything small.

[Mike Peace]

Jim, check out this easy steady rest solution http://mikepeacewoodturning.blogspot.com/2012/10/spindle-steady-rest-tip.html
If it were me I would reverse the baluster so most of the turning is closer to the headstock. I would also use a chuck to grasp the small end even if it required the extra step to first turn the tenon between centers and then rechuck. My PM3520 would not hold that long a spindle without adding a short bed extension.

[Paul Heely]

Would it have been less whippy if you put the larger end towards the headstock? I ask because I thought the rule of thumb was bigger end always goes towards the head stock.

[Robert Henrickson]

I would agree with the suggestions to use a chuck to grip at least one end (headstock) and have the more substantial portion at the headstock. That said, a steady of some sort probably should be used.

[Jim Underwood]

There was no way to use a chuck on my lathe with this spindle. There's simply not enough room. Remember what I said about renaming the 1642? Reducing the accessible length of the bed by several inches with the use of a chuck, and still being able to turn a 41" spindle, is just not possible.

As for the turning sequence, I started in the center, worked toward the tailstock, then finished up with the smallest part at the headstock... So all the bulk was left on until the very last moment. It still didn't help. It may have helped if I had swapped it around to do the small end on the tailstock last, I don't know... I just know it's easier for me to use the skew from right to left, rather than left to right.

Thanks Mike, I'll check out that linkie...

[John Keeton]

It looks like a very good candidate for being turned in two sections with a tenon/mortise and glue up. Seems that would solve a couple of problems.

[Jim Underwood]

Hmmmm... I didn't think of that... Thanks John!

Too bad I don't have any more of this particular one to do, I might try it out. Found out this AM through an intermediary that the other twenty I priced (sight unseen) were another spindle... :mad: Too bad the intermediary didn't give me all the information. Advice for anyone selling work - deal directly with the customer.

[Ryan Mooney]

I just know it's easier for me to use the skew from right to left, rather than left to right.

Interesting, I'm just the opposite, are you left handed (mostly just idle curiosity)?

so I've turned a fair number of largish brew spoons (or at least the handles thereof) between centers with no steady rest, these are in the 30+" range with the handle being the majority of the length and roughly 3/4" thick. Doing this I've found a few things help:

Definitely leave the bulk of the wood near the headstock
Remove wood from the side on the tailstock first and work towards the headstock
turn to finish as you go and leave as much wood as possible on the headstock side (I usually turn maybe 3-4 inches down to finish and have another 3-4 inches "in transition" at a time).

It can still be a little whippy but I can just use my one hand behind the piece to stabilize it while I use the skew to "finish it" on the worst part (right near the center). In the worst case I end up with some ripples from chatter, but they're usually pretty small so I can just sand them out fairly quickly. If you get to where its vibrating I find that you either have to take suuuuper light cuts or better if you can go back to where its smooth before the chatter and cut from there (once its bouncing it don't want to stop); having lots of meat left where you can pickup from helps with that as well. Adjusting the speed slightly up or down often helps as well (there seem to be points where you hit harmonics).

having said all that - nice job on the baluster!

[Jim Underwood]

Thanks Ryan!

I followed the second and third admonitions (as well as using my hand as a steady), but obviously didn't follow the first one. Since it's been recommended by several of you, if I get a shot at those other 20 spindles, I'll definitely try that out...

And no, I'm not left handed. I suppose I should practice the opposite grip now and then.

Thanks for all the responses...

Any other recommends for a steady?

[Michelle Rich]

lathes, are like boats, I guess...a 16 ft boat is 15- 1/2 ft! :-) The oneway spindle unit works very well & fits any lathe. I've always wondered why tailstocks don't have the capacity to grab spindles with a small accessory gizmo (like a collet) and PULL a spindle taught. Good luck

[Jim Underwood]

Michelle, I think you're right. Maybe we should talk to Nick Cook about the next iteration of the Powermatic so that it will have this feature (and change that nasty color).:D

[robert baccus]

If you prefer not to purchase a good steady rest you could rig a temporary rest with an open end wrench attached to an upright. Use one slightly larger than your final dia.. Turn a bearing surface to fit the wrench and come back last and sand or file it level. The bearing needs to be in the center naturally and aluminum foil is a great for taking up the last slack and slicks up things also.

[Jim Underwood]

Got word today that the next "twenty" of these spindles is actually another 4 completely different spindles - 20 each of three of them, and 16 of one of them. And...

They want all 76 of them by Monday! :eek:

Unbelievable.

[John Keeton]

Congratulations!?????.....Well, maybe???:eek::confused: Welcome to the world of production turning!

[John M. Smith]

:eek::eek::eek: Oh my.....76 spindles in 5 days???? You better get hustling. Congrats I think.

[Jim Underwood]

Oh there's no question about whether I can do all of those. There's no possible way... Even if they took me an hour apiece, that'd be 76 hours. It's more likely they'll take me 2 hours each, which is 152 hours.

NOT happening.

I'll be lucky to get done with 20 of them.

I've spoken to at least 7 people about helping out, and every last one of them said the same thing. Not enough lead time, or they'd help out.

[Ryan Mooney]

On the plus side by the time you're done I'll bet you have the technique down pretty well!

As to the color you just have to order it from over the pond and it comes in Jet white, totally worth the shipping I'm sure :rolleyes:: http://www.axminster.co.uk/jet-jet-3520b-heavy-duty-woodturning-lathe-prod580463/

[Jim Underwood]

A Jet 3520B? What the heck?

[Jim Underwood]

Thought I'd give an update on this.. so I'm bumping this up so I can find it easily with my iPhone.

[Jim Underwood]

I did get the job. However there was no way I could get them turned in a timely manner, so I farmed them out to Patricks Turning Point over in Barnesville. You can see from the size of his industrial copy lathe why he could make these much faster. You can see the original next to the single baluster I turned. Also the pile of blanks in the before and after pix.

[Ryan Mooney]

Sometimes that's the best move alrighty! Looks like they came out good in the end.

Those copy lathes are quite the gizmos to see. If you were doing a lot of this sort of work I suppose the payback might not be to bad, but man the up front cost is heavy.

[Harvey M. Taylor]

when turning long spndles, could you use a string steady like the one Rick Hutcheson, a member here, uses? Or maybe a series of them. Of course, I am with John Keeton on making them in 2 pieces.
max.

[Jim Underwood]

Harvey ,
This project was the genesis for my steady rest, recently completed. You can see pix of the steady here:

http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?211913-Another-Nichols-Steady-Rest-Build