Sometimes You Have To Sit Back In Awe

[Julie Moriarty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fw1B0MWhjuM

[Jay Rasmussen]

I'm in awe of all the Festool stuff he has.

[Mark Bolton]

I hesitate to think any bit of that would be possible without festool :cool:

I would trade every one of those Festool gold bars for his clamps. Those Jorg'y Ibeams will put any clamp other clamp to shame.

Nice to see an artist at work but the Festool part is a waste to me. Hopefully he got to keep them or got a bunch for free.

[Joe Jensen]

Love the way he started with the live edge boards but I suspect expansion and contraction issues with 3-4 ft of hardwood glued to plywood or mdf as a substrate. I would never do that.

[Thomas S Stockton]

I like the design of the bed and how he has shaped the wood but his understanding of wood is a little lacking.
I would love to see what it looks like in a few years. All that solid wood is gonna want to move and it is glued down to the ply.
Tom

[Peter Quinn]

Cool bed, great process, real artist......very thick veneer. I'm worried for the longevity of it. Feels like a festool add, but I like festool adds. Inspirational. Thanks for sharing that.

[joe milana]

Just found a use for my next empty mustard bottle! :cool:


PS. +1 on the I beam clamp comment.

[Michael Dunn]

Drool... Even my wife was in awe of his Festool.

[John McClanahan]

Drool... Even my wife was in awe of his Festool.

My wife couldn't care less about tool value. I use it to my advantage when sneaking something new into my shop.:D

John

[Don Morris]

Glad some of you found fault with the design plan. I didn't pick up on that until it was pointed out. Maybe the bed was only built for one or two years use. Good workmanship though.

[Andrew Kertesz]

I like the bed but I like the soundtrack better. can anybody figure out the last name?

[Jeff Monson]

Cool video, I really like the project. Definitely a Festool commercial, but I happen to like Festool.

[Julie Moriarty]

I liked how he jointed the boards along grain lines, not easy but it really added a lot of character. But when he was using the RO 125 with the pad on its edge, I was thinking, "And this is a Festool featured video?" I have the same sander and Festool recommends keeping the pad flat on the surface so it surprised me that they would show "improper" use of their tools. But when I saw the mitered corner view I realized he had followed the grain to dish the wood. I love out of the box thinking.

Andy, the music is by Andrew Barefoot (http://www.andrewbarefoot.com/). He has some tunes on MySpace (http://www.myspace.com/afoot/music/playlists/andrew-s-playlist-90547).

[Brian Kincaid]

I don't know what species of wood he glued to the MDF substrate but I tried it with a 1/2" red oak panel and after about a year the oak developed open cracks that show most of the year. Perhaps he built in some expansion joint into the glue lines? I didn't notice any, or maybe the cracks that will develop are a design 'feature'.

-Brian

[John Piwaron]

I hesitate to think any bit of that would be possible without festool :cool:

I would trade every one of those Festool gold bars for his clamps. Those Jorg'y Ibeams will put any clamp other clamp to shame.

Nice to see an artist at work but the Festool part is a waste to me. Hopefully he got to keep them or got a bunch for free.

I've got 2 of those Jorgensen I-Beam clamps. I rarely use them. They're easily capable of crushing the project. I'll stick with my K-Bodies.

I'm sure there's a joke here - of course this bed could be built with tools other than those made by Festool. In some cases maybe not as easily, but it'd get done. I like some of his ideas. I can see myself trying them out.

[Harvey Melvin Richards]

I wish that I worked that fast.

[Chris Padilla]

I wish that I worked that fast.

I'm in awe of getting the project done in six minutes. :p

[Mark Bolton]

I'm sure there's a joke here

Joke for sure.

As for the clamps Im not sure how a clamp can crush a project unless it fell off the roof :eek: (another joke)

[Andrew Joiner]

His work is beautiful and unique. He MAY have trouble with laminating solid wood to plywood, but that's a risk you take for thinking outside the box. Unconventional techniques worked for many famous contemporary furniture makers,Wendell Castle for example.

I'm in awe of the fact the video shows festool's dust collection ability. In real working conditions it's not that impressive.

[Eric DeSilva]

I was intrigued by the way he closed the gaps between the "live" and "non-live" edge with a jigsaw... Seems like it might have been easier to fair the live edge, then use that as a router guide to match the other edge to it. Seems like you would have gotten a lot closer seam. Am I missing something?

[Jeff Monson]

I was intrigued by the way he closed the gaps between the "live" and "non-live" edge with a jigsaw... Seems like it might have been easier to fair the live edge, then use that as a router guide to match the other edge to it. Seems like you would have gotten a lot closer seam. Am I missing something?

I thought the same thing Eric when he was using the jigsaw, but it seems he pulled out the router for the second one?? or did I see it wrong?

[Jerome Stanek]

It looks like a Festool ad and the bed was for a photo shoot

[mreza Salav]

A nice video put together. I personally don't like the design and I think there are potentially serious flaws in construction as others pointed out.
I'm not sure who the target audience of this ad is.

[Chris Padilla]

I thought the same thing Eric when he was using the jigsaw, but it seems he pulled out the router for the second one?? or did I see it wrong?

I think tear out is a problem going the router route and you have to be pretty precise with the spacing of the two boards.. I've see Roy Underhill (Woodwright's Shop) do something similar to get matching lines but he used a handsaw, of course. It wasn't matching up board lines as done in the video but more for larger dovetails. Saw...push together...saw...push together....

[Eric DeSilva]

I think tear out is a problem going the router route and you have to be pretty precise with the spacing of the two boards.. I've see Roy Underhill (Woodwright's Shop) do something similar to get matching lines but he used a handsaw, of course. It wasn't matching up board lines as done in the video but more for larger dovetails. Saw...push together...saw...push together....

For a straight line, a saw makes sense--think I saw Tommy Mac use the same technique to fix ill-fitting dovetails. But I'd think a jigsaw would leave a much more jagged cut, plus the width of the blade is going to prevent it from following tight turns well. As far as matching them up, use a 1" flush trim bit and offset the wood so the flushing ring hits the "live" edge but not the other, then just clamp the two pieces so you have less than a 1" gap uniformly between them. On balance, I think I'd probably err of the side of dealing with tear out, since it is a glued surface anyway.

[Chris Padilla]

Not a Festool jigsaw, Eric! LOL! Seriously, though, it does cut well and cleanly with a nice sharp blade. It appears to have worked for him anyway. I would have liked to hear some commentary and a get a better look at the technique, however.

[Eric DeSilva]

but it seems he pulled out the router for the second one?? or did I see it wrong?

Tried to respond before, but I must have done something wrong because I don't see it... I think he pulled out the router to put a 45 bevel on the pieces...

[Jeff Monson]

I think he pulled out the router to put a 45 bevel on the pieces...

Yep, watched it again, guess I couldn't absorb all that Festool action in just one take.....all those green and black tools flying around, with jigs and live edge boards. No time for popcorn on that flick.

[Ole Anderson]

Second great video this morning on the creek (the other one was the steam powered box factory in the Off Topic forum). I was amazed at how much the grain popped when he applied the finish. What kind of wood was he using?

[brian c miller]

I think he was "kerfing in"... basically you put the two boards together and remove a 1/2 saw kerf from each to close the joint. That should remove all of the small gaps between the joint line. I think it was used a lot by old shipwrights to get water tight seals between large planks.

Give the wild grain directions I am not so sure the a patter bit would be a good choice and you'd be climb cutting a lot.

[Chris Padilla]

Second great video this morning on the creek (the other one was the steam powered box factory in the Off Topic forum). I was amazed at how much the grain popped when he applied the finish. What kind of wood was he using?

Judging by the wild color changes of red/brown to creamy white, I'm going to guess spanish cedar.

[Chris Padilla]

I think he was "kerfing in"... basically you put the two boards together and remove a 1/2 saw kerf from each to close the joint. That should remove all of the small gaps between the joint line. I think it was used a lot by old shipwrights to get water tight seals between large planks.

Give the wild grain directions I am not so sure the a patter bit would be a good choice and you'd be climb cutting a lot.

Yes, that is a better term for what I was trying to describe.

[Jim Rimmer]

I like the bed but I like the soundtrack better. can anybody figure out the last name?
Barefoot or Borefoot???

[Mark Bolton]

Its barefoot, he has couple albums on Itunes. I think they are under Drew though.

[johnny means]

I'm in awe of how a tiny bit of information can actually add to ones ignorance. I here a lot of criticism of the design and construction of the bed in the video based on one little "rule" about wood movement. Does anyone else see that by digging out the face of each board he essentially turns them into a thinner veneer. How about the wide returns on each end and the block in the center to combat bowing. Come on now, do we really think this guy is some newb who hasn't worked through these issues?

[Harlan Barnhart]

I'm in awe of the fact the video shows festool's dust collection ability. In real working conditions it's not that impressive.
If you are referencing those shots where the dust is setting thick while he is creating the surface contours, that is because he has the pad lifted up to "dig in" with the edge. If you keep the pad flat on the surface, the dust collection is very close to 100%. I use one at work and I can sand all day and the bench will not accumulate dust.

I haven't drunk the green kool-aid, but dust collection is actually one reason to own those sanders.

[Eric DeSilva]

If you are referencing those shots where the dust is setting thick while he is creating the surface contours, that is because he has the pad lifted up to "dig in" with the edge. If you keep the pad flat on the surface, the dust collection is very close to 100%.

I think the bigger issue is that his sander isn't actually hooked up to a vacuum...

[Andrew Joiner]

I think the bigger issue is that his sander isn't actually hooked up to a vacuum...
I noticed several operations where dust and chips were not collected. This guy is a festool expert. He's using Festool tools to make a fine piece. For what ever reason, hooked up to vac or sanding contours the dust and chips fly like most shops.
He maybe doesn't take the time or care about maximizing dust collection. I'm like that too, and I sand a lot of contours. As a non- Festool owner I was happy to see that.

[Julie Moriarty]

I'm in awe of how a tiny bit of information can actually add to ones ignorance. I here a lot of criticism of the design and construction of the bed in the video based on one little "rule" about wood movement. Does anyone else see that by digging out the face of each board he essentially turns them into a thinner veneer. How about the wide returns on each end and the block in the center to combat bowing. Come on now, do we really think this guy is some newb who hasn't worked through these issues?

You mean the Festool Fairy didn't come down upon a complete newb and transform him into a woodworking genius? ;)

But really, I totally respect this guy. I mean, how many of us take on a task like this? The labor hours alone are daunting. I think it was Tim The Toolman that said the holes in the boards surrounding construction sites were for men to watch other men work. I was on the inside of that all my working life. I like peeking through that hole and watch other pros do their stuff. :) Go Jory!

[Harlan Barnhart]

I think the bigger issue is that his sander isn't actually hooked up to a vacuum...
I didn't even notice that... :)

[Eric DeSilva]

Hogging out as much material as he was, I'd probably do that outside like he did and not waste the life of my HEPA filters and bags.

I'm more puzzled by his choice of sweater. Looks like he stole it off an skier in the 1970s.

[Ethan Melad]

maybe i'm the lone dissenter, but i actually think the bed is really ugly. modern furniture is my thing, but this seems to be a weird, unsuccessful combo of modern and rustic. the huge dovetails seem totally out of place, as do the vertical boards in the headboard. also (and maybe its just the angle the video/pictures were shot from) the headboard's height-to-width proportions and bed frame to bed riser proportions seem a little off. and while it does look like his fabrication technique is good in general, i think any professional woodworker should know not to glue thick solid wood to a substrate.

that said, as soon as i can afford it ill be getting festool RO sanders.

[Julie Moriarty]

maybe i'm the lone dissenter, but i actually think the bed is really ugly. modern furniture is my thing, but this seems to be a weird, unsuccessful combo of modern and rustic. the huge dovetails seem totally out of place, as do the vertical boards in the headboard. also (and maybe its just the angle the video/pictures were shot from) the headboard's height-to-width proportions and bed frame to bed riser proportions seem a little off. and while it does look like his fabrication technique is good in general, i think any professional woodworker should know not to glue thick solid wood to a substrate.

that said, as soon as i can afford it ill be getting festool RO sanders.

So even though you don't like the bed or the woodworker's methodology, the video still had the intended effect. ;) Those Festool people are insidious!

[John Piwaron]

Those Festool people are insidious!

Nothin' wrong with Festool stuff except the price. :)

Please don't yell at me - they're expensive. OTOH, that hasn't stopped me from buying a thing or two made by them. That CT22 dust extractor - wow! The Domino's o.k., but it's the OF 2200 router - meow!

I haven't bought any of that just to have it. It gets used. Other stuff - still figuring out what good it'd do me.

[Michael Dunn]

I say there's nothing wrong with Festool at all. Not even the price. Their tools have simplified and revolutionized my efficiency, safety, and shortened my shop cleanup time. That, to me, is worth $470 for the OF-1400, $675 for the TS-75, $305 for the Trion, $205 for the ETS-125, and whatever the heck I paid for my DTS-150 or whatever model number it is.

Sure, I wish the Kapex wasn't $1375, but when I'm in a position to purchase I won't think twice. Or the Domino.

Festool certainly isn't cheap. To me, it also isn't expensive. They perform like no other. They're infinite cuts above the rest. They deserve every penny of their prices. Can you imagine how much time goes into engineering things the way they do? I bet about 60-70% of the price tag is R&D.

Festool rules.

[Dave Cav]

Too bad (for him, anyway) that Festool doesn't make safety glasses.

[Eric DeSilva]

http://www.amazon.com/Festool-470209-Safety-Glasses/dp/B0017VA5HE

[Ole Anderson]

I would think that the production mentality that says I don't need no stinkin' TS blade guard also says I don't need dust collection.

[Julie Moriarty]

Michael, I have to agree with you, to the extent my experiences with the CT 26, RO 125, ETS 125 and RO 90 will allow me. For me the dust collection alone makes it worth it. Not only is the highly efficient dust collection better for your health, it enables you to do things you couldn't do without laying out plastic tarp over everything or spending more time vacuuming up the dust than you did creating it.

The biggest problem with Festool is once you work with one, you're hooked. And then all your other tools seem so inferior you don't want to use them. But if you don't couple the dust vac with the tool, your opinion may not be so heavenly.

[Ron Kellison]

It's amazing what can be done without the use of a single hand plane, hand saw or Roubo bench! That said, it's one ugly bed!

Ron

[John Piwaron]

Is there any way to make the video play slower?

[Mark Bolton]

Is there any way to make the video play slower?

It would play slower if it used any other tool manufacturers tool.

[Richard Coers]

I'm in awe of how a tiny bit of information can actually add to ones ignorance. I here a lot of criticism of the design and construction of the bed in the video based on one little "rule" about wood movement. Does anyone else see that by digging out the face of each board he essentially turns them into a thinner veneer. How about the wide returns on each end and the block in the center to combat bowing. Come on now, do we really think this guy is some newb who hasn't worked through these issues?

Considering the number of years I have been working wood, I do consider him a newb. I've been at it for 41 years, 22 of those professionally. Even at the beginning, I knew not to glue solid stock to plywood. The material has to be under 3/32" thick to act like veneer. I seriously doubt he got it that thin. Wood movement is not a RULE, it is a FACT! Whether you like to build short term throw-away, or heirloom, depends on if you follow the laws of the material.

[Andy Pratt]

I hope I'm missing something....did this guy really just put all that time into making those beautiful solid wood panels and then face glue them down to plywood? Please tell me I saw something wrong in the video or he somehow secretly accounted for wood movement in another way. This isn't one of those "well, you really should do that, but we all get away with not doing it" kind of things. Like someone said, it's a fact not a rule or theory.

On a related note, isn't this how many of us made our first (failed) table when we started woodworking? You know, the one where we bought some cool looking boards but didn't really know how to flatten/support them, so we just figured "hey, plywood is flat, let's glue them to that, how come everyone doesn't do this? I'm so smart and my table will be so strong!" You remember the table if you made one, because it looked good for a few months until the next season hit and you were reminded about wood movement as you stared at the cracks over every meal for the next year until you built one correctly to replace it. Typically you learn that lesson early on, on a project for yourself, not while making a bed that probably cost five figures.

I hope this guy knows something I don't, if it looks the way it seems from the video I feel bad for him. Someone send him an invite to the creek so he can come here and do some reading. The work is high-quality on the surface, but there's no point putting all that time into something if you don't have the fundamentals down good enough to make it to last.

[John T Barker]

Organic. Isn't all woodworking organic?

Definitely not what I would get excited about, three boxes joined together.
?

[John Piwaron]

This has been touched on in earlier replies.

The video of the construction of that bed had to have been done a while ago. If that failed, it's known by now. If anyone finds that method problematic, then find a way to deal with it if you're going to replicate the work. I can think of a way or two to handle it. If I can, then everyone else here can think of 20 ways. This is one of the beauties of woodworking - the experimenting! Try something out. If it doesn't work for you, do it different next time.

IMO, the resulting work is beautiful. I'm sure the customer loves it. The maker might be getting a call back on it. . . . . .