Some Rusty Tools I Found Recently

[Daniel Sutton]

I stopped by a couple of fleamarkets that are usually closed while I'm passing through. One weekend, I found a D-23 with a long bow in it. I've since hammered it out using the instructions by Bob Smalser. I'll be sanding away the rust using Simple Green and refinishing the handle in the next few days.

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I also found an L. Wheeler handsaw. It is missing 3 teeth and the toothline is concave by about a quarter of an inch. I don't know if I will clean it up or just horde it in a closet somewhere yet.

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Then, last weekend I found a couple of joiner planes. I usually only see Handy Man Special number 4's, but I was surprised by a number 8 and a Craftsman 22 inch. The Craftsman is corrugated, while the Stanley is smooth.

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From the shape of the adjustment lever, the Craftsman looks like a Sargent. I have read the hyperkitten type study, but am unaware what the high arched frog on a Stanley plane means. I think the number 8 is either a type 9 or 10.

[Bill Houghton]

I've seen the paint scheme on the Craftsman on other Sargent tools, so I think you're right. Nothing wrong with Sargent tools. Well, having said that, some of their block planes are not the most elegant/best designs, but their bench planes are just fine.

[Jim Koepke]

I have read the hyperkitten type study, but am unaware what the high arched frog on a Stanley plane means. I think the number 8 is either a type 9 or 10.

The type 9 doesn't have a frog adjustment screw. The type 10 does. Both only have two patent dates between the frog and the tote.

To tell much more would require more pictures.

Looks like some good finds. It is nice to have two joiners. One can be set for light stock removal and the other for a bit of a heavier cut.

jtk

[Daniel Sutton]

There are two patent dates, but no screw.

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[Harold Burrell]

OK...tell us how much you paid...so we can tell you how much you suck.

[Daniel Sutton]

The planes were $30 each, the D-23 was $4, and the L. Wheeler was $12. No low price records set, but the planes were something I've been looking for and I liked the look of the Wheeler saw. The D-23 is an 11 ppi, while the Wheeler is an 8 ppi if I remember correctly.

[David Weaver]

I'd leave the wheeler saw as it is and put it on a wall. You could file it with the frown, or you could joint a whole lot off of it, and with a saw that old, it's a gamble if it will be uniformly hardened (you'll notice that you find a lot of very old saws with broken teeth, but saws around 1900 or so were a lot more evenly hardened and it's not as easy to break a tooth off of them).

[Jim Koepke]

There are two patent dates, but no screw.

It is a type 9. There are some variations among the early and later type 9s.

The lateral lever may have a single date if it was left over from old (type 8) stock. The notch at the bottom front of the frog may be smaller on the early type 9s.

No big deal, just a few differences through the years.

No one at Stanley ever even dreamed that there would be type studies of their planes a century later.

jtk

[don wilwol]

I agree with the type 9. Wasn't type 10 the first type with a frog adjustment screw? I think the Craftsman is a Millers Falls made. Same as the V-line. I don't think the Sargent ever had Philips headed screws and it looks like the Red frog indicative to Millers Falls.

[steven c newman]

Lateral is not a M-F one. The "Red Frog" was also a thing that Sears put onto their "House Brands" May have been a Victor made one?

[Jessica Pierce-LaRose]

I agree with other folks assessments. FWIW, for figuring this stuff out, I find a combination of Joshua Clark's flow chart (http://hyperkitten.com/tools/stanley_bench_plane/start_flowchart.php), with it's click-and-follow the description methodology easy enough, combined with Johnny Kleso's info at Rexmill (http://home.comcast.net/~rexmill/planes101/typing/typing.htm) for it's great descriptions and photography which help me understand just what I'm supposed to be looking for/at when someone talks about a rib or bead or something.

[Harold Burrell]

The planes were $30 each, the D-23 was $4, and the L. Wheeler was $12.

Thank you.

Now I can officially tell you that you suck.

[Daniel Sutton]

I cleaned up the D-23 a little. I stripped the tote and added BLO and then a layer of paste wax. I sanded the plate before I saw the thread on using Autosol to polish them. The plate is shiny enough to mark a straight line. Thanks for the information regarding the planes. I'd based the Sargent guess on the information at http://www.brasscityrecords.com/toolworks/graphics/plane%20id.html. I still need to sharpen everything.

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