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Mike Cruz
04-25-2013, 11:59 PM
Well, a few things were factors in my decision, but I did it... I made the full switch... To Hurricane chucks.

Again, I have no affiliation with Steve (a fellow Creeker and seller of the chucks) or the company. I just like to pass on what I think are good products for good prices.

I've posted threads before about them. Here are my reasons for switching to all Hurricane chucks:

1) I HAD 4 Strongholds, 1 Grizzly, and an HTC. Not all the keys for the Strongholds fit all the Strongholds chucks(oddly enough), so I needed two keys out. I needed another for the Grizzly, and yet another for the HTC. So, I had 4 keys out for 6 chucks. Seemed a bit silly (and proved tiresome because inevitably, I always grabbed the wrong key for the Strongholds). All the HTCs use the same key. SO, a little less headache is reason one.

2) After buying the HTC 125 chuck, I really couldn't tell any quality difference between the HTC and the Stronghold. Both are solid chucks. One just costs a whole heck of a lot more... I think I could tell the difference between the HTC and the Grizzly. There is more slop/play in the Grizzly. And overall, I just like the HTC better. Bottom line, I was impressed with the chuck!

3) I knew that my Strongholds hold their value quite well. There is no denying that they are very good chucks. Used, they fetch more than the HTCs are new. So, I knew that I could sell my Strongholds, buy all new HTCs, and still have some money left over. For me, saving money was a no brainer.

So, what did I get?

1) HTC 100 with dovetail spigot (pin) jaws
2) HTC 100 with dovetail standard jaws
3) HTC 100 with dovetail large jaws
4) HTC 125 with dovetail standard jaws
5) HTC 125 with dovetail large jaws (already had this chuck and jaw combo)

The purpose of so many is overlap. Granted, you could get one or two chucks and all the jaws and keep swapping out, but I hate doing that! I find grabbing a different chuck easier than swapping jaws.

In all honesty, with a couple of the adapters, I had to put them in more than once. But A) that was user error, and B) I had to do that with a Stronghold or two, too.

I found that the trick to installing the jaws (might be like this for all chucks, I don't know) is to set the jaws where you want them, put the screws in (but don't tighten them), close the jaws all the way so that they all set against themselves perfectly, then tighten down the screws. They align perfectly that way.

Bottom line is that no one chuck will satisfy everyone. Everyone has a favorite. They may or may not have legitimate reasons, they just do. I Ford better than Chevy? HA! Depends who you ask. Is BMW better than Audi? Same thing. There will always be those that like Strongholds because they are Strongholds. To those people, I say if you can afford them, have at it. For those who either can't afford Strongholds, or just aren't tied to the name, I believe the HTCs are a stand up chuck for 1/2 the price. Kudos to Steve for making quality chucks that are affordable.

I have to post the obligatory pics, so here you go!

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Oh, and what did I get with the extra money? Look close, and there is a little humor to it. It wasn't intentional, but funny none the less... ;)

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Dennis Nagle
04-26-2013, 4:09 AM
DANG! That is a lot of iron to order all at one time.....you must not be married:D

I just got the 125 and I really like it. But already, I wish I have the bigger jaws.

Roger Chandler
04-26-2013, 7:00 AM
Super good info Mike.......thanks for showing them. I think they are a quality product as well. I watched his videos and was impressed by his explanations. I also think his insert design is better than the Nova chucks I use.

neil mackay
04-26-2013, 7:26 AM
Mike Thats sound reasoning, all my chucks are the same make as well it does simplify things

Mike Cruz
04-26-2013, 7:44 AM
Dennis, yes I am married. The best part is that reason #3 impressed her so much that she was GLAD that I did it!!!!! Remember, I SAVED money by buying all these chucks (after selling my other ones).

Roger, that is one another thing I respect about the chucks...the seller. He IS a turner. He is a part of the turning community. He is a fellow Creeker. And he is very easy to talk to. He explains things well. And he knows his product. Give him a call. He's happy to chat.

Neil, glad I'm not the only one that appreciates the ease of simplicity. As much as money played a part in my decision, having four keys for 6 chucks was oddly almost a bigger one! The money was just the nail in the coffin.

Mike Cruz
04-26-2013, 8:11 PM
If any of ya'll are even THINKING of getting one of the HTC 100 chucks, you should be all over the one he has up for auction now that includes the chuck AND eight sets of jaws. Starting bid...a mere $199. :eek: That is the price of the chuck with standard jaws, and two other sets of jaws. You are basically getting 5 sets of jaws for free...

Bernie Weishapl
04-26-2013, 11:53 PM
Thanks for the info Mike. I have been thinking of switching at least 3 or 4 of my chucks for a couple of those.

Jon Prouty
04-27-2013, 12:38 AM
If any of ya'll are even THINKING of getting one of the HTC 100 chucks, you should be all over the one he has up for auction now that includes the chuck AND eight sets of jaws. Starting bid...a mere $199. :eek: That is the price of the chuck with standard jaws, and two other sets of jaws. You are basically getting 5 sets of jaws for free...
bid placed.... I'm sure it will get picked off before I win. Also bid on a SRG... EBay when tired. I don't even need another chuck.
JP

Michael Kellough
04-27-2013, 9:25 AM
Are the jaws interchangeable between the two sizes of chucks?

Mike Cruz
04-29-2013, 8:39 AM
Michael, the keys are, but it looks like the jaws are not. Would make sense since the diameter of the chucks is different, and therefore the radius of the "insert arc" on the back of the jaws (for a lack of a better way of describing it) is different for the jaws of each chuck. The screw holes are different distances apart, too.

Thom Sturgill
04-29-2013, 10:05 AM
He needs to list chuck bodies w/o jaws if he is going to sell jaws w/o bodies. I have 3 or 4 sets of 50mm Nova jaws (and worm screws) in a drawer as I keep different jaws on most of my chucks. If I were to change out, I would want to either buy each chuck with a different jaw set or buy bare chucks and jaws separately.

Glad to hear there is an American manufacturer making decent chucks, though I do like my Nova chucks. I have both G2s and SN2s as well as some old PSI chucks, so I have to keep three keys out too.

Mike Cruz
04-29-2013, 1:44 PM
Thom, not to burst a bubble, but just to be clear... From what I remember Steve telling me, he tried to get the chucks made in America, but he couldn't for any sort of reasonable price. They are made in China. That is where he found a factory to make them. At least the "company" is an American company. Personally, I don't love that they are made overseas, but I bit the bullet this time...

David C. Roseman
04-29-2013, 5:39 PM
He needs to list chuck bodies w/o jaws if he is going to sell jaws w/o bodies.[snip]
Thom, you're right, it looks like the chuck bodies aren't listed separately on ebay. But I see that they are available without jaws as his website, http://www.thewoodturningstore.com. Getting to them takes a couple of steps. On the pages for each of the two sizes of chuck, click on "View Options," then click the drop-down menu in the box for selecting thread size.

David

Thom Sturgill
04-30-2013, 8:36 AM
Thom, not to burst a bubble, but just to be clear... From what I remember Steve telling me, he tried to get the chucks made in America, but he couldn't for any sort of reasonable price. They are made in China. That is where he found a factory to make them. At least the "company" is an American company. Personally, I don't love that they are made overseas, but I bit the bullet this time...

I remember him saying that, but that he was looking for an american company for the jaws. I guess I just assumed that he had found one since he now has a complete line of jaws.

Mike Cruz
04-30-2013, 8:44 AM
Oh....maybe you're right! That would be great. It would be interesting to know...

Thom Sturgill
04-30-2013, 10:24 AM
Thom, you're right, it looks like the chuck bodies aren't listed separately on ebay. But I see that they are available without jaws as his website, http://www.thewoodturningstore.com. Getting to them takes a couple of steps. On the pages for each of the two sizes of chuck, click on "View Options," then click the drop-down menu in the box for selecting thread size.

David

Ahh, I did not try the website.

I have been toying with the idea of buying another chuck with 5" dovetail jaws for turning plates and platters. So an HTC 125 bare with 5" jaws would be about $160 + shipping and another Nova (refurbished) with 5" jaws would be about $195 + shipping. Might be enough difference to convince me to put up with having 4 keys until I find out if I like his dovetails and if I can sell my Novas (assuming I decide I want to). Unfortunately the PSI chucks have 1"-8 threads (no inserts) for the smaller lathe so I probably can't get rid of them quite as easily.

Paul Singer
04-30-2013, 10:45 AM
I just checked the site and noticed you can get the HTC 125 without jaws but not the HTC 100. I can't understand why they would sell the larger chuck without jaws but not the smaller one.

Mike Cruz
04-30-2013, 11:12 AM
I said it before, but if you are serious about getting a 100 body only, call him...

Thom, I'm not sure if I said this before or not, but when installing the jaws, I found that the best way to do it is to install all 4 jaws, but don't tighten the screws down. Then close the jaws all the way so they all press against each other with no gaps. THEN tighten all the screws down. This method aligns all the jaws perfectly.

Olaf Vogel
05-22-2013, 6:34 AM
Mike,

Since you had both the Stronghold and the Hurricane, did you ever get a chance to check the thread adapters?
i.e. can the Stronghold adapters be used on the Hurricane?

I'd be very interested in trying out the Hurricanes, but my lathe has a 1.5" x 6 tpi thread.
Oneway makes version, but its a pretty rare size.

thanks
Olaf

Mike Cruz
05-22-2013, 9:26 AM
You, know, Olaf, I didn't try. But I even if the taper were the same, the Hurricane uses three screws for the adapter, and IIRC, the Stronghold uses only two...so, no, I don't believe they'll fit.

Remember, Steve (from my understanding) isn't just a retailer of these chucks. He's the manufacturer. Now, he doesn't have a factory. But a factory makes them for HIM. So, if he wants something, or has enough demand for something, he can have it made. Contact Steve and see if he can either have one/some made for you, or maybe you aren't the only one that has been asking about it, and you'd be the one to be "enough" to make it worth while.

Olaf Vogel
05-22-2013, 6:45 PM
Unfortunately my size/tpi combo is really rare (and old) - near as I can tell, the head & tail stock are from about 1880. Still working well though
I doubt my size has any commercial value for Hurricane, but others might be able to get more common sizes made.
Thanks for the feedback nevertheless and good luck with them.

Mike Cruz
05-22-2013, 7:22 PM
Olaf, one possibility would be to see if you could get an adapter for your spindle...a 1 1/2" x 6 tpi female to a 1 1/4" x 8 tpi male (that is just a really common one, but you could get another size if you wanted) so that you could run any chuck or accessory off your lathe. Might be worth it... I think the adapters run about $20-30 depending on the manufacturer.