Inca planer/jointer combo machines - are they still worth their salt?

[steven pratt]

I've read a lot of older threads on these machines and they seem to be held in pretty high regard. Also seems that parts were scarce back then, I'm sure they're even more scarce now.

I have very limited space and want a good jointer. I don't ever plan on working with stock longer than 6' so I don't need a long table. I'd really like to have a spiral cutterhead but an equipped machine just doesn't seem to be available in my $500 budget.

If I can find a good buy on an Inca is it still worth the investment or are there better choices out there for my budget? Remember, it has to be compact. That's one of strong points of the Inca - it has a short table, yet nice and wide jointer capacity.

[Erik Loza]

Couldn't tell you what their value is but I do know that all my customers who own Inca machines seem very reluctant to part with them. If you are OK with the size and can get one with the Tersa head, I would say go for it.

Erik Loza
Minimax USA

[Ron Kellison]

I have an Inca bandsaw that continues to amaze me. My only knowledge (indirect) regarding the j/p came from a respected violin maker here in Ottawa who recently closed down. He loved the jointer but was on the fence regarding the planer function. His unit does not have feed rollers and he had trouble getting consistent results hand-feeding 24"-36" pieces.

There is a Yahoo group "Incawoodworking" that might be useful to you. I posted there a few times looking for a couple of missing parts for my bandsaw. Some very knowledgeable folks there.

Ron

[Rich Riddle]

Steven,

If you find an Inca jointer/planer for $500, buy it if it's working. The Tersa head models go for twice or triple that amount. I have an Inca jointer/planer. As long as you don't abuse tools, they're great. If you're hard on tools, they're not for you.

[steven pratt]

That Tersa cutterhead is 3 or 4 knives, right? If the machine only has 2 knives then it's not Tersa, right?

[John TenEyck]

I've had an Inca J/P for over 25 years. It is a wonderful machine, especially for anyone with space limitations. Mine has a driven planer function, just like a single purpose machine, and it planes beautifully. Change over time is 30 seconds, and the jointer table goes back in place in perfect alignment, every time. The machine is Swiss precision, but is simply designed and easy to maintain. I'm the third owner and have replaced one planetary gear belt in the 25 years I've owned it, that's it. I'm still using the same two sets of HSS knives that I got with the machine, and they have many sharpenings left in them. Mine does not have the Tersa head; changing knives is a 30 min. job, max. I've processed thousands of BF with this machine. It is light and portable but can do serious work all day long. Mine has a belt drive Baldor 1.5 HP motor, which sits under the machine. This design is narrower than some of their later machines which has a direct coupled motor sitting off the back, in line with the cutter head. I prefer the way mine is designed because of its smaller footprint and because I can just replace the motor with a readily available one if I ever need to. In any case, I don't think they put a larger motor on any of their machines, but that allows you to run it on 120V, although mine is fed by 220V. The downside is you can't take off 1/8" at full width in something like hard maple, but with lighter cuts it planes beautifully. As you noted, the jointer tables are relatively short, but I regularly joint stock 6 to 8 ft long w/o any real problems. It's the operator, not the machine, that's most in play when jointing.

My machine only weighs about 75 lbs once I unbolt it from it's base/motor, and I've taken it to jobsites on occasion. The ones with the integral motor might not be so easy to move, if that's a consideration.

I have no reservations recommending the Inca J/P. If you can find one with the power feed planer function in good working order for $500 it would be a true bargain. Some parts are available through Eagle America, I believe. If you can find a good working machine, however, you are unlikely to need any besides perhaps a belt if it's of that design.

[Phil Thien]

I had the 8-5/8" wide combination unit which had the manual (no feed rollers) thicknesser. I have also had an Inca bandsaw.

It (jointer/planer) worked very well.

BUT when I consolidated my shop a bit, I sold-off the Inca jointer/planer, and a Ryobi 16-32 sander, and got a Dewalt DW734. I use a planer sled for face-jointing now, and I use a straight-line rip jig on my table saw for cleaning-up an edge:

http://www.cgallery.com/ps.htm

I don't think I'd ever go back to a combination machine.

I think planers are inherently safer than jointers. And I can now face-joint thin material that would have given me fits on my Inca.

Inca stuff is great, don't get me wrong. I just found a better way to do things. Maybe not quite as fast. And I use a lot of tape and hot melt glue.

But I can face-joint 12" wide stock. That comes in handy.

[Curt Harms]

Rikon makes a lightweight jointer planer. I have no idea if it's a viable alternative to the Inca or not, never used one or seen one used.
http://rikontools.com/productpage_25-010.htm
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[Jim Barstow]

I have an Inca jointer/planer, bandsaw, and table saw. I used them for 25 years and still have them. In 2008, we built a second house with a big shop and I got bigger non-combo machines. I still have the inca machines but rarely use them. I'm debating selling them but my sentimental attachment is still too strong.

Before buying the jointer/planer, make sure you can still get the belt for the planer drive. Eagle tools had them and I bought 2 so I have one in reserve. (The original lasted for 15 years.)

Of the 3 machines, the jointer/planer was by far the best. It was quite compact and worked beautifully. The only drawback was dust/chip collection. I built a hood connected to my shop vac to try and to capture the output but it never worked that well. I ended up just letting the chips fly then using a grain shovel to clean up.

[John TenEyck]

Here's a picture of my Inca J/P showing the chip collector box I fabricated for it that hooks up to my DC. It has holes drilled in the front for air to sweep through and carry the chips. The same box flips over and sits on top when planing. It does a great job of collecting everything that the machine produces. Cost was $0.

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John

[Murray Roblin]

Hi Steven,
I've got two and they're great. My first is a 550, which has 2 traditional knives, and the motor attached to the side. The second is a 570, which is v. similar to the 550 but has the upgraded Tersa head.

Both will do a great job with fine cuts on difficult wood. The 550's blades are a pain to set and the Tersa are very easy.

As mentioned above, if you're hard on your equipment, or in a production environment, these are not for you. But they're great for a hobbyist. Take light cuts and keep the drive mechanism and planer platen lubed.

Wear parts are still available from Jesse at Eagle tools. These include the knives, the planer drive mechanism - a plastic gear and (which is sacrificial in case something jams in the machine) and a belt.

There is an active Yahoo group for these and the rest of the Inca machines.

(BTW, there is a thread on adding a spiral head to a 550/560.)

[steven pratt]

Thanks guys.

I bought one today. It has a two-knife head and power rollers so I'm guessing it's a 550 model. Motor is 1.5hp Dayton. I wanted it for $400 but he wouldn't budge from $500. Still seems like a decent buy. It's in beautiful condition and isn't missing any parts or wrenches, and it came with 4 sets of knives and Inca knife setting fixture. The seller was a master wood worker and probably had more invested in his workshop than I have in my house. Meticulous guy; the machine was well cared for.

I like unique machines, and this looks like a unique machine.

[steven pratt]

A couple pictures from the listing.260335260336


BTW John, I like that dust/chip shroud. I plan to make one myself.

[Murray Roblin]

Enjoy.
1. Make sure that the plastic drive gear is well lubed. There is an upgraded gear, white, with a grease groove running down the middle. Make sure it's filled with white lithium grease.
2. Don't take heavy cuts in planer mode.
3. Keep the planer platen waxed. The factory recommended waxolit is tough to find in paste form. Others have used a non-silicone paste wax.

[John TenEyck]

Steve, that looks just like mine and in excellent shape. $500 was still a very good price, IMO; I believe it sold for over $2000 new back in the 1980's. Mine has the two knife cutterhead, also, and the blades are not hard to change; as I said, it takes me about 30 minutes max. now, although it might have taken twice that long the first time. The Inca knife setting fixture makes it pretty easy. It sounds like you are just the kind of person who will appreciate what a great machine the Inca is. Having a 10+" wide jointer in such a small footprint machine is so nice to have. Let us know how you like it after you've given it a good test run.

John

[Curtis Horswill]

Looks like you got a 510 model, which has the motor mounted below and a better drive mechanism for the planer function. It does have shorter jointer tables than the 550 or the 570 model. For $500 you got a very nice machine.

[steven pratt]

Chris,
That's interesting info. Here's a (bad) picture of the drive mechanism. You think it's a 510 model?

BTW, I sent the same picture to Eagle to see if they have a belt as I'd like to have a spare.

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[Curtis Horswill]

Yes, I believe it is a 510, the 550 (which is what I have) and 570 have the motor mounted directly to the back of the machine, not below it like yours. From what I have heard, the 510 has a more robust drive mechanism for the planer function. My 550 has the plastic gear that likes to strip out that everyone is talking about. I have even heard of some folks taking the longer tables from a 550 and putting them on a 510 because of the better drive gears. I will not part with my Inca j/p even if I move up to a larger combo machine.

[Jim Matthews]

I have a 570 and the motor trips the breaker in the planer mode (overload indicates a bearing failure).

That's an additional $300 if you replace it with the same Leeson motor spec'd by Inca.
As a jointer, they're excellent.

As a planer, they're no better than the current crop of "lunchbox" machines available everywhere.
Parts are readily available from Jesse at Eagle tools - but they won't come cheap.

Bottom line - if you can't see it running, be prepared to replace the motor, at least.

I'm retrofitting a basic 4-post Taiwanese 15" planer with a helical head instead of refitting the Inca as a planer.
When they work, they're great.

When they don't - it's a pretty boat anchor.

[John TenEyck]

Steve, that picture confirms your is just like mine. Get a spare belt for insurance, but I doubt you'll need it for a very long time. I've replaced one in 25 years. And the planetary gear system is very durable - don't be scared off by anyone's comments otherwise on a different model. I think I've cleaned and greased the gears 2 or 3 times in 25 years and I've run many thousands of BF through the machine.

John

[steven pratt]

I'm not sure if the planetary gear design is typical as I've never really given much thought about how planers are designed, but I think it's a neat way to cut the RPM's down.

[Jim Matthews]

The 570 and 550 iterations had a side mounted motor with a simpler reduction gear mechanism.

The 510 (undermount motor) had a much more robust, and complicated planetary gear mechanism.
The 550/570 were notorious for melting the plastic pinion gear, when too much material was hogged off, during planing.

I think the side mount motor was developed to avoid alignment problems, but it is a PITA to get on and off.
The undermount motor with a single belt is straightforward.

[Daniel Thompson]

I can't comment about the later models, but the model 510 I used to own was a terrific planer. I regret ever selling it. It had Tersa knives so knife change was a non issue. It terms of cut quality it was every bit the equal of the Felder Dual 51 I have now (cutter head width not withstanding). I wasn't quite as happy about its performance as a jointer due to the short tables and the requirement to use shims to level the outfeed table to the cutterhead and set it parallel to the infeed table.. It was easy to make a chip collection box that was effective in capturing the chips in either jointer or planer mode. Change over from one mode to the other was a matter of moments. It was important to keep the planer table waxed. Waxalit worked very well and is still available if you look hard enough or at least was within the last year. Failing that, I would suggest using Super-Gleit from Felder. It is a spray on liquid.

[steven pratt]

Ok, so I finally took my first cut tonight.

We have young kids (1yr old and 4yr old) so my free time is pretty limited. I used the waiting time to kind of scan over the machine and try to figure out how everything worked.

As a jointer I'm very impressed so far. I'm still learning how to use it but it seems like as long as you can figure out where you're going wrong there's an adjustment to correct it. The adjustablility of the outfeed table is clever and appears to allow for pretty much any correction to counteract blade wear or warp of the workpiece.

The blade guard is cool; they put some serious engineering into it. It feels pretty tight though, I wanted to loosen it up but the sockets on the hex screws are epoxied shut which is the Europeans' way of saying it doesn't need adjustment (and I mean that in a good way), but it just doesn't feel right. I'd appreciate if you guys could comment on your experiences with this assembly.

As a planer I haven't had enough time to play around with it, however; so far I still wouldn't trade my spiral cutterhead lunchbox for it.

Sorry if this is a bit boring to some, but I find machine design fascinating and was thinking there were others on here who might like to get into the details as well.

Oh and by the way I did join that Yahoo usergroup which I'm just starting to check out.

[Bill ThompsonNM]

I have a 570 and the motor trips the breaker in the planer mode (overload indicates a bearing failure).

That's an additional $300 if you replace it with the same Leeson motor spec'd by Inca.
As a jointer, they're excellent.

As a planer, they're no better than the current crop of "lunchbox" machines available everywhere.
Parts are readily available from Jesse at Eagle tools - but they won't come cheap.

Bottom line - if you can't see it running, be prepared to replace the motor, at least.

I'm retrofitting a basic 4-post Taiwanese 15" planer with a helical head instead of refitting the Inca as a planer.
When they work, they're great.

When they don't - it's a pretty boat anchor.
I've had a 570, I'm the third owner, for a number of years. I don't agree with this assessment at all. Leeson motors are quite good. The only comment u would make is that its not a good machine for hogging off lots of wood. It is a machine with the finesse to produce a precise thickness, for musical instruments, for example If I need to hog off 1/4 inch of wood I start with my regular planer. When I 'm close or want to surface the piece, pop it into the Inca.

[Clay McElwee]

Hey I know this is an old thread but I was wondering if you guys could tell me if you think this is a good deal. I don’t have much experience with jointers and have never heard of Inca before.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/d/columbus-10-inch-inca-planer-jointer/6795109165.html

[Jim Dwight]

I don't know what these planners are worth but I have the 8 5/8 inch model. I do not like the manual feed of the planner mode and do not use it. I bought an old Ryobi AP-10 lunchbox planner and use that instead for planning. Even when waxed, it took a lot of effort to feed wood through my planner attachment. The jointer function works fine.

[John TenEyck]

IMHO, yes, it is worth $600, or more, as long as it runs OK. That is one of the later models with a side mounted motor. I actually preferred my older, belt drive motor because it takes up less floor area, but this is a newer machine. He has the owner's manual, an extra set of knives, and the knife setting device, too, and the machine looks to have been well cared for. If that size machine fits your needs I doubt you would be disappointed. I was very happy with mine for 25 years.

John

[Matthew Hills]

Hey I know this is an old thread but I was wondering if you guys could tell me if you think this is a good deal. I don’t have much experience with jointers and have never heard of Inca before.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/tls/d/columbus-10-inch-inca-planer-jointer/6795109165.html

Looks like market rate for this area; not sure what Columbus prices have been like.
If you're interested, go over and see how it works and if you like it.

Give it a long thought if it isn't working well in its current state.
As mentioned earlier in thread, Eagle Tools in LA might have some bits and pieces from when they bought up spare parts years back.
Note that the Inca website (http://incamachines.com) is back up, and may also be a source for some components.

Matt