Mini Max vs SCMI T110

[Albert Chio]

Hi Guys,

Does any one here know the differences between Mini Max Formula T1 shaper and SCMI T110 shaper? I am looking for a shaper and don't know how these rate vs each other.

Thanks,
Albert

[David Kumm]

Erik will be the guy to know. Many MM formula machines are very close to rebadged SCMI nova series machines. I don't think the spindles are interchangeable but they are very close. Both machines have very strong spindles and a good quill assembly. I've got an odd 3/4" spindle that I think is for a Formula so let me know if you get one. Either would be first class for a hobby guy and light production work. I would take the first in good condition and not worry about it. Dave

[Albert Chio]

Thanks David,

So would you say either of these machines if in good condition are better than a new PM2700 shaper? I found three used shapers. A delta invicta rs15, scmi 110, and the mini max T1. The only difference between them are in price but all their prices are lower than a brand new PM2700 so I am leaning towards one of these 3-phase used shapers. What would be your advice.

Thank You,
Albert

[David Kumm]

Invicta is a good Brazil machine that is very heavy and fairly cheap on the used market. SCMI are probably the most plentiful and desired on the used side as parts are still available although not cheap. All are heavier than a PM. The MM and SCMI will have the same fence. It is heavy and generally only adjustable on one side. I'm not familiar with the Invicta fence. A good fence is a big deal. Dave

[J.R. Rutter]

The Delta Invicta shaper fences that I have seen are adjustable on both sides - like the Delta HD fence on steroids. It is cast iron vs cast aluminum on the SCM/MiniMax. 360degreemachineryhad a good video walkthrough of an RS-16 which may still be on youtube. The T110A is one of my favorite shapers - small enough to fit in compact shops, but heavy enough to get things done smoothly.

[Albert Chio]

The Delta Invicta shaper fences that I have seen are adjustable on both sides - like the Delta HD fence on steroids. It is cast iron vs cast aluminum on the SCM/MiniMax. 360degreemachineryhad a good video walkthrough of an RS-16 which may still be on youtube. The T110A is one of my favorite shapers - small enough to fit in compact shops, but heavy enough to get things done smoothly.

Hi J.R.

When you say cast iron vs cast aluminum are you comparing the SCMI/MiniMax vs Delta HD? I prefer cast iron. By the way the price for Mini Max is $2000.

Albert

[David Kumm]

Most newer are cast AL due to weight. All are very good. Check the runout. Should be .001-.002. Size of opening in the table and in the fence is important with the big shapers. Gives you options for tooling. Dave

[Albert Chio]

I like the delta rs15 but seller couldn't provide the runout information so am hesitant on buying it online. The mini max T1 is from a private seller so now I am leaning towards this one and it is a little cheaper compared to the rs15 and scmi 110. I just want to make sure that the mini max is a good shaper and so far the on line research i done say it basically the same as the SCMI T110.

Albert

[David Kumm]

How are you going to power it? RPC? The two shapers are so close you won't know the difference. Dave

[Stephen Cherry]

The T110A is one of my favorite shapers - small enough to fit in compact shops, but heavy enough to get things done smoothly.

I've had my t110, of the green variety, for a few years. I guess it's around 20 years old. Both fences adjust, the opening in the table is plenty big for 8 inch cutters; tried to measure the runout of the spindle, and it's better than the tools I have to do it. Basically, I'm very satisfied with it.

As for comparisons with the minimax, I think that in the 1990's, they are generally different, but for the 2000's, check out page 60:
https://www.partspronto.com/MachineDocs/T110%20NOVA%20OPS.pdf

And, as I have said before, if you are patient and look every day, good deals will pop up when you least expect them to.

[Albert Chio]

Yes I am planning to buy a RPC to power whatever shaper I buy and also to power my 5hp sawstop industrial table saw. Ideally, I like to get a used SCMI 110 or 130 shaper but the ones currently available online are pretty pricey. Hopefully I can close this deal for the Mini Max T1.

Albert

[Peter Quinn]

Hi J.R.

When you say cast iron vs cast aluminum are you comparing the SCMI/MiniMax vs Delta HD? I prefer cast iron. By the way the price for Mini Max is $2000.

Albert

The Minimax hoods and some of the scmi hoods are cast aluminum, the RS-16 hoods are cast iron. I too prefer cast iron until I have to remove the hood from the table, then it takes everything I have to lift the iron hood from my larger shaper. So i dont remove it much. I have a Minimax t-40, fair bit smaller than the t1's, but the aluminum hood is similar, very light in weight, seems to work well in practice, the single side adjustment thing is a minor pia. Very good dust collection on the scmi/ Minimax hoods, not as good on the big old open back iron hoods.

[Erik Loza]

Formula T1 and the T110i are the same machine, Albert.

Best,

Erik Loza
Minimax USA

[Albert Chio]

Hi Guys,

I pulled the trigger on the Mini Max Formula T1. What sold me is the price, it includes a power feeder, it is in really good condition, and the fact that it was used in a small one man shop. I will post pictures of it later.

Thank You all for all your inputs and advice.

Albert

[Stephen Cherry]

Hi Guys,

I pulled the trigger on the Mini Max Formula T1. What sold me is the price, it includes a power feeder, it is in really good condition, and the fact that it was used in a small one man shop. I will post pictures of it later.

Thank You all for all your inputs and advice.

Albert

That's great Albert, now you can spend all the money you saved on some tooling!

[Albert Chio]

Here it is guys. Took me a while to receive it but I finally got it. This thing is huge and massive just how a shaper should be. I was blown away by how massive the spindal is. I am so happy with my purchase. Seller kept it in great condition and also included a set of profile bits, a head to mount profile bits, the power feeder, and all the manuals and tools that required to operate this tool. Final price was $2100. Very happy buyer.

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[Michael W. Clark]

Looks great Albert! Sounds like you had it shipped. If you don't mind me asking, what shipping method did you use and about how much did the shipping cost?

Thanks,
Mike

[mreza Salav]

I think I saw that machine. Looks to be in good condition and for a good price. Enjoy!

[Mike Heidrick]

Great price. Now the real expense comes :)

[Erik Loza]

Wow, what a bargain Albert! Glad it worked out for you.

LOL, what Mike said ^^^^^

Erik Loza
Minimax USA

[Jeff Duncan]

Yup, I agree, that's a bargain price for everything you got! Hope you have some good projects lined up for that beast:D

good luck,
JeffD

[Albert Chio]

Looks great Albert! Sounds like you had it shipped. If you don't mind me asking, what shipping method did you use and about how much did the shipping cost?

Thanks,
Mike

Hi Mike,

Sorry for late response. Been so busy over seeing my house construction and installing a 300amp service. Anyways back to your question. I used USHIP.com to have people bid for my shipping. I put a max shipping cost of $350 but final cost was $385 to include lift gate service. I don't remember the name of the actual company that shipped the shaper since it got contracted out by USHIP. Hope this helps. My experience with USHIP was great. I also bought extra insurance for few dollars extra just for peace of mind.

Albert