Lathes ....

[Jordan Gilbert]

I am looking to get back into turning and am very puzzled by all the different lathes . I had a rikon 10" lathe before and hated it all I could turn was pens ( I love but have more desires) and bowls with the screw faceplate ( a chuck made the thing almost tip over) . I was looking at the delta 46-460 and jet 1220 vs but then though 700 for something I can't turn a big bowl or something on . So I was thinking bigger like a nova 1624-44 or a jet 1442 . I was looking at the 16'' jet thats 2399.99 but I don't think I would be able to come up with that before woodcrafts sale ends . How often do woodcraft have 10% off jet lathes ? Thats double the price and then some of the 1624-44 though but it seems like a lot more lathe . Is it really worth the 1500 more than the nova or 1000 more than the 1442 ? I just don't see it , the nova seems like its a very nice lathe for the money and then I would have alot more cash to play with for cool tools ( I already have henry taylor and sorby basic 6 big tools ). All help is greatly appreciated .

[Jordan Gilbert]

Yeah I think the 16" jet is out the extra cash is pointless I don't want to put over 2k into a lathe unless I am getting a powermatic . So 1442 or 1624-44 ? or something less then 1400.
Oh yeah and I want to be able to turn everything from pens to goblets to platters to cowboy hats ......

[Bob Haverstock]

Jordan,

I bought a new Nova 1624 3 years ago. It has not failed me. The steps in the RPM range are well thought out and 110 volt drive has enough power. All I have ever done to the Nova is clean and oil it. Some feel that the Nova needs more mass, could be. more mass= more $$$$$ My only real regret is that it hasn't a bigger swing. I bought it on sale. Sure, there are bigger and better lathes, but not for less than $900.

Bob Haverstock

[Michelle Rich]

The nova at 899 is a steal. bolt it down to a homemade wood cabinet with heavy stuff stored in it and bolt the cabinet to the wall. I've used mine to turn 20 inch diameter (with the outrigger) bowls and way off center negative space designs (my signature pieces) and the lathe is up to the task. I've used mine for over a quarter of a century and I have had no repairs..not even the belt.

[George Morris]

The only problem with the 1442 is the reeves drive low speed is 400rpm. If you can round with a band saw should be no problem.

[Allan Ferguson]

I totally agree with Michelle.

[Michael Mills]

I’ve had my Nova 1624 three years with no problems. At that time they have been out about three years and had very good reviews which still continue. I paid $1200 so the current $900 is great deal imho. I have turned 15”+ bowls but most are in the 12” range (so they will fit a top kitchen cabinet). Mine has the tube steel legs and so far I have had no need to add ballast (I sorta round blanks with a chain saw).
I did not see the DVR XP on sales this time but it is available from the service center (reconditioned) for $1700 if you really hate changing the belt position 1-2 times per turning. For me I will change the belt and keep the $800.

[Jordan Gilbert]

It seems like the nova is the best deal for sure especially with the g3 chuck sale they have going on for 199.99 with all the jaws . The dvr looks great but It seems like a huge pain to ever get fixed because its all digital and really weird build . The 16'' jet seems really nice with the variable speed but its just so much more money. I hopefully will be getting the nova next week I have numerous things for sale to fund a new workshop so I guess I will see how bad I get beat down in price on stuff and what sells maybe I can get the 16'' jet .

[Jim Burr]

I've had my Jet 1642 for a year now...it's a tank. Wait until "Black Friday" and see what Amazon has on hand.

[Richard Coers]

I would only ever buy a lathe that has electronic variable speed if you want to turn bowls or hollow vessels. During the roughing stage, a 40 or 50 rpm speed change can mean a smooth turning blank, or the lathe dancing on the floor. Changing belts over 20+ years a guy will use these is really a lot of wasted time and frustration. I can change speeds 5 or 6 times while turning a bowl and sanding it. Love the electronic variable speed!

[Jordan Gilbert]

Decisions decisions ...... The belts do seem like they would be a pain turning bigger stuff and it seems like the first solid vs lathe is the 1642 correct ?

[Steve Peterson]

Jordan,

I would keep my eye on Craigslist for a used lathe with the features you want. Set up a search for "wood + lathe" and save it as a favorite. In my area, there are 2-3 wood lathes listed per day. Most are HF or old junk in the $100-200 range, but eventually a good one is bound to show up. You may even get some good tools or a chuck with the deal. I probably searched a few times per week for 4-5 months before finding my current lathe. A local turning club would also be a good choice to find one of the better machines.

I have electronic variable speed and love it. It is so nice to be able to slightly adjust the speed to avoid resonance. You can also turn the speed down to apply friction polish and immediately crank up the speed to finish the process.

Steve

[Richard Jones]

I have a small Rikon, without the VS, and although I don't use it anymore, I turned a mess of bowls on it, at max dia. and I used a G3 or SN2. I would not hesitate to do so again, if forced. A bowl lathe it's not, but with sharp tools and good control, you can turn out some nice work. And, yes, of course you can bog it down.

While I know nothing about the 1624 personally, folks that have them seem to like them. I bought a 1642-2EVS Jet and it's a lot of machine for the $$$, which was $1200 when I bought it.

Now, if I had to buy another lathe, I'd spend a bit more and get the 3520, though I very rarely want/need to turn anything more than about 15".

Good luck with your decision.

[Jordan Gilbert]

I am not really in a big rush to get a lathe . I guess I should buy that chuck though for 200.00 regardless of getting a lathe now or not thats pretty cheap . Idk though I like the nova and the 1442 and the 1642 my local woodcraft in knoxville tn has them all and they're all nice .

[Mike Cruz]

Jordan, I know where you could get a Powermatic for $1800...;)

[Chris Studley]

I would also consider the Grizzly G0632 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/16-x-42-Variable-Speed-Wood-Lathe/G0632) or the Grizzly G0733 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/Heavy-Duty-Wood-Lathe-18-x-47-/G0733)

I don't have either of these (yet) but I have heard good things. They are a little cheaper than the Jet.

Good Luck and tell us where you land.

[Jordan Gilbert]

I am not trying to cheap out believe I know all about cheaping out and getting complete crap but this seems like it has everything I need http://www.grizzly.com/products/Wood-Lathe-With-Digital-Readout/G0462 . It's all cast it has a reeves belt I like the idea of better than electronic . It swivels and it's 16-42 , I read a few reviews on it and it's seems like everyone really likes it .

[Fred Belknap]

I am not trying to cheap out believe I know all about cheaping out and getting complete crap but this seems like it has everything I need http://www.grizzly.com/products/Wood...-Readout/G0462 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/Wood-Lathe-With-Digital-Readout/G0462) . It's all cast it has a reeves belt I like the idea of better than electronic . It swivels and it's 16-42 , I read a few reviews on it and it's seems like everyone really likes it

Jordan I had a G0462 . I wasn't happy with it. The slow speed is in the 600rpm range, it eats up belts . I did quite a bit of work on it but it is no quality lathe. The banjo and the outrigger articulating crap is just flimsy. I replaced the banjo with one from Delta and it worked better. Toolrest lock strips out really easy. I tried to sell it, ended up practically giving it away.

[Jordan Gilbert]

Yeah grizzlies out then I just realized that about the 600 that's crazy .

[Jim Burr]

To bring up a bad subject...did you have a specific issue with the Rikon? A Jet 1014 has the same capacity. Thousands turn bowls, HF's, stoppers; dozens of items with a similar lathe. Maybe change your bench. mounting/securing? Just wondering.

[David Dobbs]

I have a Jet 1220 an a Jet 1642. Love both of them. But used lathes sale fast. Buy the nova an the chuck that puts you in a good lathe for $1150 with tax.

Turn turn turn then upgrade the lathe keep the chuck. At $900 your going to get that money back or most of it.

[Jordan Gilbert]

I am now down to a used jet 1220 vs that is like New in box for 400 or a delta brand new from woodcraft for 689.85 . I can get either I am just unsure . What's the vs like on the jet ? Do you have to change the belts like you do on the delta ?

[Steve Schlumpf]

Jordan... with the exception of the Nova which uses a DC motor, all of the vs lathes have a belt system that you have to change. Each belt position allows for a range of rpm/torque and it really isn't much of a problem to change the belt position.

[David Walser]

Jordan - I'm going to second the recommendation that you consider looking for a quality used lathe. Quality lathes that are still being produced seem to hold their value very well, which is why a used Oneway 2416 or Powermatic 3520B sell for just about as much as a new lathe of the same model. On the other hand, if you can find a quality lathe that's been discontinued, you might find a bargain. For example, an Australian made Woodfast should be had for less than $2,000 -- if you can find one. A 15 year old, well cared for, Woodfast is a better lathe than a brand new Nova.

Good luck!

[Jordan Gilbert]

I have a very small group of turners around a 2hour area from me and I drive a little car it really isn't fun living in a area with not a lot of turners .

[Jordan Gilbert]

Well I went to woodcraft today and spent a little bit of cash ...... Lol I wish this was alot but I think its going to be worth it .
I got a delta 46-460
nova g3 chuck with 3 extra things
chuck adaptor
hut plastic polish
hut crystal coat
micro mesh
woodriver 6 pack sanding kit
2 pieces of dymondwood
1 nice piece of flame maple I will maple 2 goblets out of .
I also bought 10 2x4's and a 4x2 sheet of mdp to make a nice stand out of . I should be turning by midnight .........
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/Jordanofbirds/2012-10-07_15-52-17_786.jpg

[Mike Cruz]

Fantastic! Congrats, Jordan. Please post pics of the set up at 12:02. I say 12:02 because it will take longer than you think...that's why I allotted the extra 2 minutes. ;)

I'm very sorry to tell you this, though... This is the tip of the iceberg. I know, I know...this'll do for now, etc, etc. It never does. You'll keeping finding and order the must haves. And I know, I know, you'll keep that under control. You have what you need. You are set. Go get that second (or third) job. Start dipping into the kids' college funds (they are lazy and will never get accepted into any college anyway...). This is a Vortex. It sucks your money, your time, your thoughts, your inspirations, your desire, your everything. ESPECIALLY when you first get started. Then after you've been at it a while, there are the maintenance items. It never stops. Welcome. I'm glad you're with us. ;) It makes us all happier knowing we aren't the only ones. :D

[Jordan Gilbert]

Haha Mike ....... I don't have any kids I am 16 .. I am not exactly a amateur ....... I am getting back into turning I have been turning since I was 12 .....
Heres pics as you requested and a nice turned and finished pod ;) .........
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/Jordanofbirds/2012-10-07_23-59-47_400.jpg

[Jordan Gilbert]

I had that turned like 30 minutes ago lol .. I have been trying to search for a nice spot in the garage and I haven't found one yet . I have been scooting the thing and the stand around ..

[Mel Fulks]

Hey ,Jordan. Did you carve and paint those boxes ? Or is that just real stuff ?

[Jordan Gilbert]

The 2 rainbow blocks of wood ? They are blanks of dymondwood I have been out of the loop for a year and evidently they just came out with them at woodcraft they are 7.99 only pretty sweet deal .

[Mike Cruz]

I don't understand how you turned that piece, Jordan...there are no shavings!

[Billy Tallant]

I've got the older Nova DVR 3000 with electronic speed control. I'm extremely happy with it.

[Jeffrey J Smith]

+1 for the JT Turning tools adapter. I've had the holdfast setup and the OneWay adapter for a Jet 1642, and the JT adapter is by far quicker and easier to setup than either. I also splurged later on JT's vacuum hub that allows you to setup multiple sizes of vacuum chucks easily from common pvc adapters from 2" up to 6" in diameter. I stopped chasing leaks almost immediately.

Their system works great, is extremely flexible and once setup can be implemented in about 30 seconds.

[Denny Rice]

+1 on the black Friday thing. The Jet always seems to go on sale around Thanksgiving and Christmas both. Watch Amazon too.

[Denny Rice]

nice work Jordan!

[Reed Gray]

My friend who bought my PM3520A loaded it into his Volkswagon Jetta. It did ride down the road tilted a bit to the passenger side where the bed was.......

robo hippy