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Glen Monaghan
09-24-2012, 11:59 AM
About a year ago, I engraved the handles of several knives for someone. The engravings are essentially line drawings and text, no thick/wide engraved areas at all. He liked the look on the wood handled knives where the engraving was a bit darker and into the wood, but the black-on-black engraving on black micarta handles was hard to see unless turned in direct lighting to create shadows in the engraving.

The knives have golden colored brass rivets, so I tried color filling with a matching gold. That made the engravings "pop" and the guy was very pleased with the look. We first tried Rub-n-Buff but that quickly discolored, picked up dirt and grime from using the knife, and even seemed to ooze back out when it got warm. Next tried acrylic paints and they lasted a bit longer but not much before discoloring with use. I then tried an enamel gold paint and it seemed like it was going to work, but my sample has darkened noticeably over time and he called to say that the knife he uses frequently has no gold color at all anymore. My sample brightened back up when I wiped it with acetone so I've asked him to wipe it with solvent to see if the surface is just very dirty or if the paint is actually gone and needs to be replaced. He's going to check on that, but the idea of requiring annual color replacement or requiring periodic solvent wipe down wasn't acceptable.

As an experiment, I tried coating the fill with a couple of different clear substances like epoxy and superglue. The quick set epoxy didn't flow well and was too thick, while slow set epoxy took too long, was still noticeably thick, and the thin edges where I tried to feather out the epoxy didn't wear well in either case. Thin superglue didn't flow evenly over the engraving and left a broad shiny patch look; trying to smooth it out and remove the excess with solvent after it hardened made a growing mess.

I asked a couple of laser goods suppliers how to handle this; both said they'd never had demand for such a thing and had no ideas for where to turn... I'm wondering if there's something like a gold colored epoxy that can be used for the color fill that is very durable and non-oxidizing? Might the paint used on stone monuments work for this (assuming there is a matching gold color)?

Bottom line is, does anyone have any suggestions for a durable gold color fill or possibly a way to seal the fill that doesn't "stand out" and isn't hugely labor/time intensive? Or suggestions on where to go to find help with something like this?

-Glen

Martin Boekers
09-24-2012, 1:19 PM
You may try posting in the wood workers forum, they may have an answer for you.

Glen Monaghan
09-24-2012, 2:09 PM
Sounds like a reasonable idea, but what "wood workers forum" is that? I see a carver's forum, turners forum, neanderthal (hand tools) forum, etc., but nothing that immediately jumps out as a good match.

-Glen

Martin Boekers
09-24-2012, 3:06 PM
You just needed to scroll down a little more to finishing. :)

Here is a link,

www.sawmillcreek.org/forumdisplay.php?23-Project-Finishing (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/forumdisplay.php?23-Project-Finishing)

Rodne Gold
09-24-2012, 3:24 PM
Try a general casting resin with a brass powder filler , google "Cold casting method"

Scott Challoner
09-24-2012, 8:08 PM
I've never used it, but there is a product called Inlace that seems like pretty neat stuff.

http://www.inlaceonline.com/index.html

Glen Monaghan
09-24-2012, 8:35 PM
<blush/>
Thanks...

-Glen

Glen Monaghan
09-24-2012, 9:15 PM
Rodne,

I looked at several pages on cold casting and it's sounds like this wouldn't be very durable? Most articles I read talked about having to buff with using steel wool to bring out the metallic shine after the resin hardens, but then warn that the finish will oxidize unless sealed somehow. Some pages described cold cast resins as softer and less durable than common resins used for adhesives (normal epoxies, apparently). Also, it appears that typical cold casting resins break down in UV and shouldn't be used outdoors or in high humidity areas like rooms with hot tubs. Are you aware of specific resins that are durable enough for outdoor use and direct wear?

-Glen

Glen Monaghan
09-24-2012, 9:16 PM
Thanks, Scott. This looks like a proprietary cold cast product, similar to what Rodne suggested. I've sent an inquiry as to the product's durability.

-Glen

Glen Monaghan
09-26-2012, 5:27 PM
They responded back that their product would not work for my application, apparently not durable enough.