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Chris Rosenberger
04-12-2005, 1:46 PM
I am looking into getting a larger (12" or 16") to replace my 8" Delta.
There seems to be a large amount of different models to choose from.
But little information comparing the different models. I could use some help.

Ted Shrader
04-12-2005, 2:26 PM
Hi Chris -

Welcome to the Creek. A great place to hang out with lots of knowledgeable people. I don't have any answer for your monster jointer dilemma, but someone will.

Are you looking for a stand alone jointer or a combo jointer/planer?

Welcome,
Ted

Chris Rosenberger
04-12-2005, 2:33 PM
Hello Ted,

Thank you for the kind welcome.
I am looking for a stand alone jointer.

Chris

Dan Racette
04-12-2005, 2:38 PM
I got an Oliver on order from Sunhill that was a "blem" model. 10" is normally around $2200 and I got it for under $1600. Good deal in my opinion!

84" Table and 3 HP.

Nick Mitchell
04-12-2005, 3:52 PM
Congratulations on your impending move up to a big jointer ! You won't regret it.

For a 12" jointer at a decent price I would look at Oliver Machinery or General International. They're both chiwanese but better than the rest.

If you want real quality and a heirloom tool, look to a 16" jointer from Europe. I personally favour Felder but I may be biased. Other great makes to look at are Casolin, SAC, SCMI and Sicar.

If you decide to go with one of these European makes then you should consider buying used. These are quality machines and will outlive us so you can buy used with confidence.

Check out www.exfactory.com (http://www.exfactory.com) for used machines.

http://www.felder.co.at/data/produkte/00336_blob_1_detail.jpg
http://www.casolin.com/images/macchine/grandi/pialla500.jpg
http://www.scmgroup-usa.com/product_pages/graphics/machines/medium/F%20410.gif
http://www.sicar.it/images/classic/rapid.jpg

Nick Mitchell
04-12-2005, 4:46 PM
If you go to www.factorynew.com (http://www.factorynew.com) then go to 'jointers' you can do some side by side spec comparisons.

Dan Racette
04-12-2005, 4:52 PM
Those are truly some european beauties!!!

Alan Turner
04-12-2005, 5:05 PM
Another way to go is old iron, which can be a good value, and doubles as an excellent anchor for an aircraft carrier.

Nick Mitchell
04-12-2005, 5:13 PM
Old iron is definitely a quality option. Plenty of machines available. Just make sure you can get blades for it.

Michael Pfau
04-12-2005, 5:51 PM
Have you looked at the Delta 12 inch? Its outstanding... and American made.

Chris Pasko
04-12-2005, 6:31 PM
Another vote for Felder. I have looked at a lot of machines for my upgrade, and the Felder seems to be a very well refined tool, excellent reputation, and an awesome forum for 24 hour support =).

Why not get a combo to get the best of both worlds, a matching jointer and planer width!

http://www.format-4.com/data/produkte/00256_bild_thumbnail.jpg
http://www.felder.co.at/data/produkte/00388_blob_1_detail.jpg

lou sansone
04-12-2005, 10:16 PM
Congratulations on your impending move up to a big jointer ! You won't regret it.

For a 12" jointer at a decent price I would look at Oliver Machinery or General International. They're both chiwanese but better than the rest.

If you want real quality and a heirloom tool, look to a 16" jointer from Europe. I personally favour Felder but I may be biased. Other great makes to look at are Casolin, SAC, SCMI and Sicar.

If you decide to go with one of these European makes then you should consider buying used. These are quality machines and will outlive us so you can buy used with confidence.

Check out www.exfactory.com (http://www.exfactory.com/) for used machines.

http://www.felder.co.at/data/produkte/00336_blob_1_detail.jpg
http://www.casolin.com/images/macchine/grandi/pialla500.jpg
http://www.scmgroup-usa.com/product_pages/graphics/machines/medium/F%20410.gif
http://www.sicar.it/images/classic/rapid.jpg

dont forget casadei for good italian machines

lou sansone
04-12-2005, 10:24 PM
hi chris
here is a link to my 16" newman. IMHO of the 3 toed style I think they really are tops. The northfield is also up there. For four footed beasts the oliver is the one (old iron ) to look at.

http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=18645

glad that you are thinking about 12 to 16" machines. Machines that size do make life much easier. One problem you will find with a lot of old iron is that it is 3 phase. just something to consider.

lou

James Carmichael
04-12-2005, 10:25 PM
Another way to go is old iron, which can be a good value, and doubles as an excellent anchor for an aircraft carrier.

Anchor? 16" and bigger jointers only need a steam catapault and arrestor cable to qualify as a flattop.

Nick Mitchell
04-12-2005, 10:32 PM
Have you looked at the Delta 12 inch? Its outstanding... and American made.

Michael, I didn't know any Delta tools were still made stateside. Interesting.

Michael Pfau
04-12-2005, 10:39 PM
Just the large industial items are. My cabinet saw , bandsaw, and 8 inch jointer is. I bought my jointer a year ago, made in Tenn. I like to buy American made whenever possible, thats just me. I am sure you will find a good one!

Paul B. Cresti
04-12-2005, 11:31 PM
I have one for you. No fluff, perfect, one beast of a 16" j/p and I now have the horizontal mortising unit attachment for it. So It is now three machines in one. Also since it is a three phase machine I have TWO feed speeds on the planning mode. Oh! did I mention Tersa cutting head? no knive alignment, knives are double sided and it takes about five minutes to change all the knives....and guess what... no snipe at all!

Chris Rosenberger
04-13-2005, 3:45 AM
Wow!!!
Thanks for all the information. Now I have even more jointers to pick from.
I will have to get some phone calls made.

John Renzetti
04-13-2005, 6:38 AM
Michael, I didn't know any Delta tools were still made stateside. Interesting.

Hi, I think the stand is made in the USA but the motor, castings and everything else is made in China or Taiwan. Invicta of Brazil used to make the 12" for Delta but that stopped about 10 yrs ago.
take care,
John