Kitchen Design Issue--looking for ideas

[Matt Meiser]

Our fridge is currently located right next to a wall. There's a passageway, but the part of the wall sticking out limits the door to opening 90 degrees. That's not bad now except that there's some slight damage to the door from hitting the wall. If we go to a side by side fridge a 90 degree limit makes things really tight. Going down the wall from the fridge, there's currently a 21" cabinet, the dishwasher, and the sink.

The fridge space is currently under 33" (makes buying a fridge REAL fun!) In order to fit a 36" fridge opening, I need to go down to a 17" cabinet if I leave the fridge where it is.

I'm considering moving the fridge to be right next to the dishwasher (I'd need a small divider, call it 2", to support the end of the counter) then putting a 15" cabinet on the other side. I'm envisioning something a full 24" deep. Drawers on the bottom, then a cabinet with pullouts from roughly the counter height up to 72" then another cabinet at the top to match the ones over the fridge.

We'd probably use the cabinets for seldom-used items. It would make a great pantry, but we've already got a pantry closet. Changes to the wall are not feasible.

Anyone seen anything like this?

[Paul Johnstone]

The only downside is that I see is obvious.. You interrupt a previousliy continuous counterspace (I'm assuming the fridge used to be on the end), so you lose roughly 17" from the sink side. (I am assuming the sink is next to the dishwasher).. However, the dishwasher should give you enough space to hold dishes for washing.. I forget the exact recommendation for the amount of counterspace you are supposed to have on either side of the sink, but the DW space should be adequate. You should also have adequate space to put things down after you take them out of the fridge (as long as you keep the dishes washed lol)

There's plenty of uses for that 17" of counterspace on the other side of the fridge.. coffee maker, toaster oven, etc.
If this new layout makes your fridge more usable, I think it's a good idea.

Oh, you ask if I have seen this done.. Yes, I have seen a fridge done like this several times, often when the fridge has the "built in" look.

[Todd Burch]

Drawing please.

[Matt Meiser]

Paul, I wasn't envisioning there being counter. I think it would be a dark cave. And adding the panel on that side of the fridge would reduce it further.

Just finished drawing it up.

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I'm not convinced I like the look of the drawers but one of them is the silverware drawer. Need to continue playing with the design.

[Sam Murdoch]

I think this is a good solution.

[Peter Quinn]

I have a friend whose kitchen has the same configuration, but the cabinet closest the door is maybe 18" width. It works much better than having the fridge door swing into the door opening. In their case it is the primary entrance to the home as well which exacerbates the problem. I don't see a better solution personally.

[Todd Burch]

Matt, I think that looks good.

I have that same fridge. Don't like it. Connie and I prefer the freezer drawer on bottom.

Todd

[Matt Meiser]

We are looking at the french door ones too. One thing I don't like is that the ice maker ends up in the fridge and you loose a space about the size of 2 gallons of milk plus a bunch of the left door. In the side by side that's all lost to the freezer, which we don't really use all that much since we've got a chest freezer in the basement.

I'll post an update later--I think we are going to go with a door on the bottom and this will in fact become a pantry. Then the closet pantry can be used more for storing large items since it doesn't work all that well for cans, cereal, etc. The far upper cabinet will get baking tray dividers and those will move up there since we don't bake much. The current baking sheet cabinet will become a spice rollout. Then the current lazy susan, which I hate, will become just a corner cabinet. We actually gain a TON of storage by doing this.

[Jim Becker]

The only downside is that I see is obvious.. You interrupt a previousliy continuous counterspace

This would be my concern, too.

I feel for you as our refrigerator must be in an unfortunate area near the kitchen door (to the outside). Right now, it's pretty manageable as we have a 24" (counter) depth unit, but it was purchased in 2000 and will need to be replaced soon. We really need more space and want a French door type to replace the current one, but the choices in 24" depth that also meet our requirement for on-door water/ice are dismal. Going to a "standard" depth refrigerator will bring into play more conflict with the kitchen door, even with the French doors. There really isn't a workable way to change the position of the refrigerator in the kitchen much, if at all. Nature of the beast...

[Dan Rude]

Matt,
I faced the same problem. We bought a Kenmore with just water on the outside of the door. The icemaker is down in the freezer drawer. You don't lose the space in the refrigerator, which we like. I ended up moving the fridge to the spot I had my dishwasher and the dishwasher to where my fridge was. With some Pex piping you can put the dishwasher where you want it. I also raised mine about 6" up, so I don't have to bend as much. My plumber did it originally for me, but it was easy to move it to another location. Looking at your layout, it looks like you have a good solution. Here is a picture of my dishwasher where my refrigerator used to be. My wife is making me finish the basement remodel before I tackle our kitchen cabinets.

[Carl Beckett]

My wife is making me finish the basement remodel before I tackle our kitchen cabinets.



I dont understand this comment. Doesnt she know that, "you cannot have too many projects 15% complete......" ?

[Matt Meiser]

I've seen the raised dishwasher before but I don't think it would work here. It would be nice though!

We're getting excited about the pantry cabinet idea. Saw some cool ideas for it at Home Depot last night--a tray for cell phones, chargers, keys, etc. and a magnetic whiteboard on the inside of the cabinet which could take the place of sticking stuff on the fridge (which I assume doesn't work on stainless anyway?)

[Todd Burch]

Correct, real stainless is not magnetic.

[Paul Johnstone]

Paul, I wasn't envisioning there being counter. I think it would be a dark cave. And adding the panel on that side of the fridge would reduce it further.

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Ok, the drawing now makes sense..

I guess if it were me, I'd go ahead and make the change. From a practical point of view, if this change lets you open the fridge doors correctly, I think it's worth losing some counterspace.

[Jim Andrew]

Think I like your plan. The offset uppers makes the kitchen look very cool, and gives you a taller cabinet over the refrig.

[Thom Porterfield]

That's a good solution, Matt (re: the drawing). But consider running the uppers (above the fridge) all the way to the ceiling. That area up there will just collect, among all the old baskets, bowls and other knicknacks you rarely use, greasy dust. I have that sort of space all around my kitchen, and while we loved the notion of putting all our old bowls and antique scales, etc, up there, it's a major pain to keep clean. The fewer of those kinds of volumes in a kitchen, I think, the better.

[Matt Meiser]

We've got a cathedral ceiling in there so I have to stop before the ceiling (or make complicated boxes).

[fRED mCnEILL]

When I was planning out kitchen remodel I spend a lot of time on the Garden Web (kichens) websire. (http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/kitchbath/) It is a forum where many people(mostly women) discuss various aspects of kitchen remodeling. Every good idea I got for our remodel such as toe kick drawers, 30 inch countertops, counter depth fridges ,plexi-liner flour and sugar drawers, etc.I got from there. Anyone who is contemplating a kitchen remodel would find a wealth of ideas on there.

[George Gyulatyan]

We got one of the LG refridgerators, with freezer on the bottom. It's got the ice maker on the door as well, but compared to other brands, LG's icemaker is rather compact so doesn't take up much more space than the bottle racks on the doors. This was one of the main reasons we got the LG.

As for the design. I think you've got a good solution there.