8" Jointer research

[Dan Oelke]

I have been going nuts the last couple of weeks trying to decide which 8" jointer I wanted to purchase. I got a lot of helpful information from various people here so I figured I would post this table that I compiled as a good starting point for others to use in the future.

First I started with the list at http://www.powertools.com/WdWkMac/Jointer.htm which is a very good starting point.

Then I compiled from all kinds of online sources and visted several local sellers. Local for me is the Twin Cities area in Minnesota. So, take that into account when seeing the prices and shipping rates. Locally I checked out Thomas Tool Supply, Tried and True Tools, Pererson Machinery, 7 Corners Hardware and Rockler. There is also Harris Machinery, Woodcraft, Dexis, and MJB Machinery that I didn't visit. Tried and True and Thomas Tool both had good salesemen and all of them were helpful.

As for my choice – I ordered the Grizzly G0500 on Saturday. Now I just need to wait for the truck and get the 220 wired into the shop (ok – garage). I think this was a pretty personal decision and I had several other top choices. The Northstate or Yorkcraft looked good from a price point. The Oasis had me very intrigued as well. However I had a little more faith in the Grizzly name. I was also very strongly considering getting a PM60B or General International locally, but the couple of hundred more I just couldn't pry out of my wallet.

The manufacturer listed is just my best guess in many instances. Very often taken from hearsay here or other forums. Geetech obviously makes a lot jointers and will brand them for almost anyone. Jingteng with the “new” DJ-20 and Oasis machine are interesting to me as well. I'm sure that if I wanted to buy a whole freight container from either of them I could get one hell of a deal ;)

Here is the list - you might need to stretch your browser pretty wide to be able to read it - but it looks ok at least in my browser (firefox).

-- Dan




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</td> <td align="left" width="141">Seller</td> <td align="left" width="65">Table Length</td> <td align="left" width="51"># cutters</td> <td align="left" width="65">cuts/min</td> <td align="left" width="172">Motor</td> <td align="left" width="253">Comments</td> </tr> </tbody> <tbody> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Delta </td> <td align="left">?</td> <td align="left">37-380</td> <td sdval="1100" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,100</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Woodworkers Supply</td> <td sdval="73" sdnum="1033;" align="right">73</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="16800" sdnum="1033;" align="right">16800</td> <td align="left">1 1/2 HP, 120/240V</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Delta </td> <td align="left">?</td> <td align="left">37-380</td> <td sdval="1000" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,000</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Utterguys.com</td> <td sdval="73" sdnum="1033;" align="right">73</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="16800" sdnum="1033;" align="right">16800</td> <td align="left">1 1/2 HP, 120/240V</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Delta </td> <td align="left">?</td> <td align="left">37-380</td> <td sdval="1050" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,050</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Amazon</td> <td sdval="73" sdnum="1033;" align="right">73</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="16800" sdnum="1033;" align="right">16800</td> <td align="left">1 1/2 HP, 120/240V</td> <td align="left">$25 off and Free Shipping</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">NorthState</td> <td align="left">GeeTech</td> <td align="left">CT-200</td> <td sdval="800" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$800</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Leneave Supply</td> <td sdval="66" sdnum="1033;" align="right">66</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="13500" sdnum="1033;" align="right">13500</td> <td align="left">2HP </td> <td align="left">About $90-$115 shipping </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Seco</td> <td align="left">GeeTech</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td sdval="970" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$970</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Tried & True Tools </td> <td align="left">
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Sunhill</td> <td align="left">GeeTech</td> <td align="left">CT-204L</td> <td sdval="795" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$795</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Sunhill</td> <td sdval="72" sdnum="1033;" align="right">72</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="18000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">18000</td> <td align="left">2HP 1Ph 220V</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">YorkCraft</td> <td align="left">GeeTech</td> <td align="left">YC-8J</td> <td sdval="650" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$650</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Wilke</td> <td sdval="72" sdnum="1033;" align="right">72</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="14400" sdnum="1033;" align="right">14400</td> <td align="left">1-1/2 HP 1PH 110/220V</td> <td align="left">Shipping - $195 w/ liftgate</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Bridgewood</td> <td align="left">GeeTech ?</td> <td align="left">BW-8J</td> <td sdval="950" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$950</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Wilke</td> <td sdval="66" sdnum="1033;" align="right">66</td> <td sdval="4" sdnum="1033;" align="right">4</td> <td sdval="18000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">18000</td> <td align="left">1-1/2 HP 1PH 110/220V</td> <td align="left">Shipping - $195 w/ liftgate</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Grizzly</td> <td align="left">GeeTech ?</td> <td align="left">G0500</td> <td sdval="875" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$875</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Grizzly.com</td> <td sdval="75" sdnum="1033;" align="right">75</td> <td sdval="4" sdnum="1033;" align="right">4</td> <td sdval="22000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">22000</td> <td align="left">2HP 110V/220V 1Ph</td> <td align="left">$78 for Shipping</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Grizzly</td> <td align="left">GeeTech ?</td> <td align="left">G1018</td> <td sdval="765" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$765</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Grizzly.com</td> <td sdval="65" sdnum="1033;" align="right">65</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="15000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">15000</td> <td align="left">1-1/2 H.P., 220V</td> <td align="left">$78 for Shipping</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Jet</td> <td align="left">GeeTech ?</td> <td align="left">JJ-8CS</td> <td sdval="1100" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,100</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Amazon</td> <td sdval="66" sdnum="1033;" align="right">66</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="16500" sdnum="1033;" align="right">16500</td> <td align="left">2 HP, 1 Ph 230V </td> <td align="left">$25 off and Free Shipping</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Powermatic </td> <td align="left">GeeTech ?</td> <td align="left">60B</td> <td sdval="1145" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,145</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Amazon</td> <td sdval="73" sdnum="1033;" align="right">73</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="21000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">21000</td> <td align="left">2HP 230V 1PH</td> <td align="left">$25 off and Free Shipping</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Powermatic </td> <td align="left">GeeTech ?</td> <td align="left">60B</td> <td sdval="1145" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,145</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Tried & True Tools </td> <td sdval="73" sdnum="1033;" align="right">73</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="21000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">21000</td> <td align="left">2HP 230V 1PH</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Powermatic </td> <td align="left">GeeTech ?</td> <td align="left">60B</td> <td sdval="1257" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,257</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Woodworkers Supply</td> <td sdval="73" sdnum="1033;" align="right">73</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="21000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">21000</td> <td align="left">2HP 230V 1PH</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Woodtech</td> <td align="left">GeeTech ?</td> <td align="left">907-064</td> <td sdval="820" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$820</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Woodworkers Supply</td> <td sdval="67" sdnum="1033;" align="right">67</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="13500" sdnum="1033;" align="right">13500</td> <td align="left"> 1-1/2HP, 115VAC,</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Shop Fox</td> <td align="left">GeeTech (Griz)</td> <td align="left">W1684</td> <td sdval="1000" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,000</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Tool Coral</td> <td sdval="70" sdnum="1033;" align="right">70</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="16500" sdnum="1033;" align="right">16500</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="left">http://tool-corral.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/page90.html</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Shop Fox</td> <td align="left">GeeTech (Griz)</td> <td align="left">W1684</td> <td sdval="1105" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,105</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Thomas Tool & Supply</td> <td align="left">
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</td> <td align="left">$1176 with tax</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">General</td> <td align="left">General</td> <td align="left">480 Used</td> <td sdval="1500" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,500</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Tried & True Tools </td> <td sdval="74" sdnum="1033;" align="right">74</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="13500" sdnum="1033;" align="right">13500</td> <td align="left">1 1/2 HP, 230 V, </td> <td align="left">Has Dispoz-a-blade with extra blades</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">General</td> <td align="left">General</td> <td align="left">480-1-M2</td> <td sdval="2230" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$2,230</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Tried & True Tools </td> <td sdval="74" sdnum="1033;" align="right">74</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="13500" sdnum="1033;" align="right">13500</td> <td align="left">
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">General</td> <td align="left">General</td> <td align="left">480-1-M2</td> <td sdval="2265" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$2,265</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Utterguys.com</td> <td sdval="74" sdnum="1033;" align="right">74</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="13500" sdnum="1033;" align="right">13500</td> <td align="left">
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">General Internation</td> <td align="left">General</td> <td align="left">80-200-M1</td> <td sdval="1270" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,270</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Utterguys.com</td> <td sdval="67" sdnum="1033;" align="right">67</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="15000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">15000</td> <td align="left">1 1/2 HP, 230 V, </td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">General Internation</td> <td align="left">General</td> <td align="left">80-200-M1</td> <td sdval="1300" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,300</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Tried & True Tools </td> <td sdval="67" sdnum="1033;" align="right">67</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="15000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">15000</td> <td align="left">1 1/2 HP, 230 V, </td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">General Internation</td> <td align="left">General</td> <td align="left">80-200-M1</td> <td sdval="1250" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,250</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Thomas Tool & Supply</td> <td sdval="67" sdnum="1033;" align="right">67</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="15000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">15000</td> <td align="left">1 1/2 HP, 230 V, </td> <td align="left">$1330 with tax</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Delta </td> <td align="left">Jinteng</td> <td align="left">37-365X</td> <td sdval="1700" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,700</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Amazon</td> <td sdval="76" sdnum="1033;" align="right">76</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="16500" sdnum="1033;" align="right">16500</td> <td align="left">1 1/2 HP, 120/240V</td> <td align="left">$25 off and Free Shipping</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Delta </td> <td align="left">Jinteng</td> <td align="left">37-365X</td> <td sdval="1600" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,600</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Utterguys.com</td> <td sdval="76" sdnum="1033;" align="right">76</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="16500" sdnum="1033;" align="right">16500</td> <td align="left">1 1/2 HP, 120/240V</td> <td align="left">X5 version of DJ20</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Delta </td> <td align="left">Jinteng</td> <td align="left">37-365X</td> <td sdval="1600" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,600</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Woodworkers Supply</td> <td sdval="76" sdnum="1033;" align="right">76</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="16500" sdnum="1033;" align="right">16500</td> <td align="left">1 1/2 HP, 120/240V</td> <td align="left">X5 version of DJ20</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Oasis Machinery</td> <td align="left">Jinteng</td> <td align="left">J1008C</td> <td sdval="700" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$700</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">ToolMarts</td> <td sdval="76" sdnum="1033;" align="right">76</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="14400" sdnum="1033;" align="right">14400</td> <td align="left">1 1/2 H.P., 240V 1Ph</td> <td align="left">http://www.toolmarts.com/product1412.html $220 Shipping + 150 liftgate</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Powermatic </td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="left">60 Used</td> <td sdval="1200" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,200</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Tried & True Tools </td> <td sdval="73" sdnum="1033;" align="right">73</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="21000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">21000</td> <td align="left">2HP 230V 1PH</td> <td align="left">$25 off and Free Shipping</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" height="17">Powermatic </td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="left">PJ882 </td> <td sdval="1532" sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="right">$1,532</td> <td sdnum="1033;0;[$$-409]#,##0;-[$$-409]#,##0" align="left">
</td> <td align="left">Amazon</td> <td sdval="82" sdnum="1033;" align="right">82</td> <td sdval="3" sdnum="1033;" align="right">3</td> <td sdval="21000" sdnum="1033;" align="right">21000</td> <td align="left">2HP 230V 1PH</td> <td align="left">Parallelogram style -$25 off and Free Shipping</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

[Jason Tuinstra]

Dan, thanks for all your helpful information. I'm sure many of us will benefit from your research.

[JayStPeter]

Pretty good. I like your choice also.

A couple corrections if anyone is interested:
- The Yorkcraft is not a Geetech. It is the same as the non-DJ20 Delta.
- The GI is a Geetech.
- The PM60 is a PM. I suppose it's possible it could be made by Geetech, but it isn't the same design as all the other Geetech clones.

I don't know NorthState and Seco, but you can remove ?s from other Geetechs not already mentioned.

Yeah, I did too much research also :D

Jay

[Frank Pellow]

That looks like a LOT of research!

I am surprised :confused: and gratified :) to learn that I purchased my Delta DJ-20 X5 jointer for less in Canadian $ than you have listed it for in USA $.

[Tyler Howell]

Hey Homie,

Thanks for the info. I See from the shop manual that the <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cols=11 rules=groups border=1 frame=void><TBODY><TR><TD align=left height=17>Powermatic </TD><TD align=left>
</TD><TD align=left>PJ882 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

is shipped as one unit. Does any one know if:
1)That is true.
2)If seperating it for stairs will void the warrentee.
3)Seperating it will affect the table callibration.

Thanks
TJH

[Dan Forman]

Tyler---Yes, I believe it is true that it comes in one piece. I called WMH and talked to a tech there, I'm pretty sure that he confirmed it is shpipped in one piece. You would probably have to call them for a definitive answer on your other questions.

I have the same concerns as you about the PM, how would I get it down the basement stairs?

Dan

[Tyler Howell]

Thanks Dan, Did you go for the DJ20??? Tough call here!

[scott spencer]

...
- The GI is a Geetech.
Jay That's what I was thinking, but wasn't certain....glad to see it clarified.

[Joe Mioux]

Dan:
It is very thoughtful of you to post this information. Thank you. I have been looking for a jointer for quite awhile and this table really helps me narrow the choices.

thanks joe
P.s. Now, can you do the same with bandsaws?;) :):D

[Dan Oelke]

I'm glad to see that people are finding it useful. I didn't realize that the General International was also GeeTech - but I'm not surprised. I know that the PM 60A or older PM 60 are not Geetech - but when I looked at the PM60B and a "Seco" which had the Geetech label on it they looked similary in a lot of ways. In particular the fence stop design was very damn similar if not identical. Now I didn't have them side by side (half way across the store from each other) and the motors were definetly different as was the funky lever/twist infeed adjustment. I woiuld also suspect that Powermatic would have tighter tolerances, but have no way of proving that one way or the other.

As for bandsaws - for me that's a project best saved for another year.

[JayStPeter]

That's what I was thinking, but wasn't certain....glad to see it clarified.

GI and Craftsman Professional have a variant of the GeeTech that has extendable rollers on the beds. Neat idea, not sure how well it works.


I know that the PM 60A or older PM 60 are not Geetech - but when I looked at the PM60B and a "Seco" which had the Geetech label on it they looked similary in a lot of ways. In particular the fence stop design was very damn similar if not identical. Now I didn't have them side by side (half way across the store from each other) and the motors were definetly different as was the funky lever/twist infeed adjustment. I woiuld also suspect that Powermatic would have tighter tolerances, but have no way of proving that one way or the other.

As for bandsaws - for me that's a project best saved for another year.

You could be right. The last magazine test on 8" jointers was about a year and a half ago. It listed clones and had the DJ-20 and PM60 as the only two cloneless machines in the test. I thought it was a 60B, but I really don't remember. Your listed price sure seems less than the PMs in the test. I remember them being more than DJ-20s.

If you thought jointer research was a lot of work, just wait until you get to bandsaws. :eek: :eek: :D

Jay

[Dan Forman]

Tyler---90% sold on the DJ20, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. Have a couple days elft for the rebate offer. If all other things were equal, that PM sure sounds tempting though, of course I haven't seen one other than pics.

Dan

[John Hulett]

You could be right. The last magazine test on 8" jointers was about a year and a half ago.

I don't suppose you recall which magazine it was?

BTW: anybody have any experience with the Bridgewood BW-8J? There's a used one for sale I found... just considering the possibilities vs. a new Grizzly. Thoughts?

- John

[JayStPeter]

I don't suppose you recall which magazine it was?

BTW: anybody have any experience with the Bridgewood BW-8J? There's a used one for sale I found... just considering the possibilities vs. a new Grizzly. Thoughts?

- John

I don't recall the magazine, but I don't think it was Wood or FWW. Maybe PWW or WWJ?

I had my mind made up on the BW-8J before finding a good deal on a used Grizzly. So, I'd go for it. I think that BW makes one of the best versions of the Geetech. They use a nice US motor and their switch and cabinet are good quality. Aside from 3/4 knife cutterheads and bed extensions, those are the things that differentiate the clones.

Jay

[Tom Hood]

BTW: anybody have any experience with the Bridgewood BW-8J? There's a used one for sale I found... just considering the possibilities vs. a new Grizzly. Thoughts?

- John

John- That BW-8J has the exact same description and pictures as one sold in York, PA 2 weeks ago (item # 4364445318). I emailed the seller to find out if he is using a generic decription and picture or what. No response yet. The seller ID was also opened on the 25th. This combination of factors sent flags off with me. I am also looking at a 8" jointer, but only live 2 hours from Wilke, so I may make a trip up there.

Tom

[Jay Fields]

Dan -

Your comparison table on jointers looks similar to the type I build for each large equipment purchase decision I make for my shop, EXCEPT yours is more thorough. Great job.

Would you mind if someone updated your post with Dec 2005 jointer offerings and prices to help this group of woodworking equipment consumers remain informed when make decisions in our never ending quest to upgrade our tools?

It would be cool if SMC had an up-to-date comparison table for each of the major tools found in most hobbyist/small business workshops (cabinet-saw, band-saw, planer, drum-sander, drill-press, etc). Maybe they could assign a moderator to each category. Just a dream.

Much Thanks!
JF

[tod evans]

dan, very nicely done and well thought out! thanks, tod

[Dev Emch]

O.K. Who is Jingteng? Are these the guys building the DJ-20 for Delta? Need more info on Jingteng.... thanks.

[Rick Lizek]

I don't see the Invicta on the list. Pretty much a clone of a DJ20.
http://www.invicta-usa.com/jointers1.html
Personally I'd be loking at used jointers myself. In the past I've bought more machine than I could possibly buy new.

[rick fulton]

O.K. Who is Jingteng? Are these the guys building the DJ-20 for Delta? Need more info on Jingteng.... thanks.

http://chinajinteng.com/about/Model%20MB203H.asp

Is Jinteng a clone, build-to-print, or the original?

rick

[Dev Emch]

Boy oh boy, these DJ-20 clones are reproducing faster than rabbits in the ausie outback! A few weeks ago, we had the one and only DJ-20, now I am running out of fingers to count the clones on. And the detail in the copy work is unreal. Significant tiny features, machined areas and pattern bump outs are copied to the last detail. If we did this this type of work in college, we would be thrown out of school in a week!

[Jimmy Walker]

You might want to look at Dec '05 issue of FWW. Has a 8in jointer test.
They picked the Griz G0500 as the "Best overall" with the Yorkcraft YC-8J as the "Best Value". Found it quite interesting.

Jimmy

[Mark Rios]

Sorry for my ignorance you all but......is there a newer version of the G0500? I can't seem to find that model on the Grizzly site except in the manual and parts list section. Can you still buy it? Or, again, did they replace it with a newer model? Thanks.

[Russ Massery]

Yes, It's the G0586 the G0500 was discontinued. I'm looking at 8" jointers myself.

[Don Morris]

Just to add to the confusion I thought I'd add this...I was able to initiate my 8" Sunhill with Byrd shelix which I bought this summer but not able to use because of an ongoing home renovation. I took advantage of a 4th of July shipping special to the east coast that Sunhill offered which made it competitive with Grizzly and I could get a Genuine Byrd shelix on a machine with a good reputation. I had a machine shop order me a 36" X 2" X 1/4" bar to test straightness and flatness of things (very costly but overall has been worth it). The result: the Sunhill has been fabulous. I couldn't justify $500-700 more for a parallelogram design DJ20 for me, a hobbiest when looking last summer. Happy I didn't. However, if I were looking now with the choices available and new ones on the way, particularly with the competitive prices out there, why not get a jointer with parallelogram design if the price is in the same ball park? But, believe me, the difference is in the cutterhead. My WW2 blade gave what I thought was a nice cut, untill I ran some coarse grain wood over the Byrd shelix. Impressively smooth. Haven't tried curly Maple yet, but that's coming down the road. The jointers are pretty much the same, put your money into the cutterhead if you do much in the way of figured woods. Choices, choices.

Have a great holiday guys.

[Jim O'Dell]

Thank you Dan!!!! I have in the back of my mind that I will be saving for a jointer this year. We'll see how the work front goes. If it drops again this year, I'll have to use my spiff money to supplement my income instead of my tool inventory. :rolleyes: I'm going to bookmark the thread so I can come back to it, print it off and update prices at that time, and mark which ones are parallelogram and which ones are not. Thanks for all the work you have done! Jim.