Sawstop Problems?

[Robert Chapman]

I am about to buy a new Sawstop Professional Cabinet saw with the 1.75hp motor and the Industrial Base and conversion kit. Everything, and I mean everything I read about Sawstop products is positive. Does anyone have any problems with Sawstop products that I need to be aware of? Not trying to bash Sawstop at all - just want to be informed before I buy.

[John Coloccia]

I am about to buy a new Sawstop Professional Cabinet saw with the 1.75hp motor and the Industrial Base and conversion kit. Everything, and I mean everything I read about Sawstop products is positive. Does anyone have any problems with Sawstop products that I need to be aware of? Not trying to bash Sawstop at all - just want to be informed before I buy.

Purchase the dust collection blade guard...the original guard is terrible (I believe the 3.0 HP PCS would come with the upgraded guard). Also, the industrial base is not only overkill but it's less convenient. The regular base lifts EASILY with one push of the foot. The industrial requires pumping (it's a hydraulic contraption). I would very much recommend the regular base. It really does lift VERY easily, and it's designed well enough that lowering it is no drama also. It's probably the nicest mobile base of it's kind I've seen.

[Prashun Patel]

The only little nits I have with my SS is:

1) The dc ain't as good - FOR ME - as my previous Sharkguard. I wish it was a 4" port.
2) A normal 8" dado stack does not work with the regular SS brake cartridge; you need to buy a second one. This means more cost and a little more hassle during use. Others may differ, but this is my opinion.
3) Accidental brake firings are common - mainly bkz of contact with metal miter gauges. That's a hassle, but the sound and the sight of the mangled metal brake is a sobering reminder of how dangerous any saw is. So I can't decide if this is a bad or good thing...

Also, in this price range, it's fair to compare it to the new Unisaw, which has a slightly niftier riving knife and angle adjustment wheel on the front. These are both nice (IMHO) to have.

[Victor Robinson]

Not really any major problems to be aware of. There are glitches here and there but customer service will take care of you should you encounter one.

The fence face may need shimming to bring it to perfectly flat.

[johnny means]

Steve Gass and his Communist, Socialist conspirators make sure to censor and silence any who would dare speak against them and their plot to take away our Unis.:rolleyes:

[johnny means]

Oh yeah, the plywood fence face on mine is garbage. Besides that, I love my SS.

[Peter Aeschliman]

I'm with Prashun regarding the dust collecting blade guard. It works perfectly in all instances except when trimming edges... meaning that the left side of the blade is exposed. It throws sawdust everywhere. I think that if SS redesigned it so that the left side of the blade guard stayed on the table in such situations and channeled the dust upwards, it wouldn't be as much of an issue. But I'm no engineer.

My plywood fence faces are as flat as I could ever need them to be (maybe a few low/high points, +/- .002")... but maybe I lucked out on that one since I've heard that criticism a from many others.

It's an awesome saw. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

[mreza Salav]

The fence itself is excellent and adjustable in every way you'd want and mine is flat to within 0.001" (or that's my tool accuracy to measure).
The plywood laminated face isn't as flat though and I had to shim it (masking tape) from behind in the center.

[Joe Wiliams]

Can you run a dado stack without the brake cartridge?

[Victor Robinson]

Can you run a dado stack without the brake cartridge?

No, you cannot.

[Daniel Shnitka]

Checked my fence face on the industrial cabinet saw. No gap along the entire length.We are talking less than a ten thousandths of an inch.
Sawstrop customer service as good as it gets. Returned call from the technician within an hour of my question being taken. Polite and patintly listened to me give the details and the reason for my question. I have delt with Delta on other matters and they are not even in the same league.
Fit, finish and attention quality nuts and bolts for assembly. The correct bolt for diameter, length, strength, number and color for assembly of cast iron wings and fence rail. The well wriiten manual in color was a contrast to other manuals I have had to read and re-read.
Go for the saw and work with confidence and peace of mind. Pracrtice good safety- follow sound wood working procedures, being alert , rested and working without haste.

[Mike Heidrick]

I have a 2006 ICS (was call the professional table saw back then). Saw works perfect, the diag and test on my finger at least show me it does (you can touch the non moving blade with the inital switch on and it will fash showing you the brake would have fired had it been running). I have Never misfired a brake (no jinx, knock on wood). I have cut staples before no problem. I have cut what I thought was wet wood no problem. Dust collection is not perfect but it is better than the Delta 10" arbor saw I had before this. No way I would trade it for any North America style cabinet saw and I would have a hard time trading it for a Euro even but that is because I like using NA style table saws :) Still very very happy with its quality. My fence faces are also perfect. I own a dado cart and it takes less than one min to install while installing my dado blade. Never an issue there either. I would buy it again. Only thing I would change is their miter gauge - so I changed that.

[Craig D Peltier]

Purchase the dust collection blade guard...the original guard is terrible (I believe the 3.0 HP PCS would come with the upgraded guard). Also, the industrial base is not only overkill but it's less convenient. The regular base lifts EASILY with one push of the foot. The industrial requires pumping (it's a hydraulic contraption). I would very much recommend the regular base. It really does lift VERY easily, and it's designed well enough that lowering it is no drama also. It's probably the nicest mobile base of it's kind I've seen.

John, in my experience the blade guards that are plastic and come down over saws just get in the way for viewing a line when trying to creep up on it. Is it still the same with SS or is it better engineered? Now there offering either a free base or the blade guard that has the DC tied into it with the overarm tube, is the guard you speak of ?

[John Coloccia]

John, in my experience the blade guards that are plastic and come down over saws just get in the way for viewing a line when trying to creep up on it. Is it still the same with SS or is it better engineered? Now there offering either a free base or the blade guard that has the DC tied into it with the overarm tube, is the guard you speak of ?

The overarm dust collection attaches to the DC blade guard. It's just a tube that attaches to the lower DC port so you don't have to do any plumbing yourself. Very convenient but I don't use it on mine because it interferes with the router table I built into the extension wing. You still need the blade guard, though, and that's included on the 3.0HP but an upgrade on the 1.75.

Both blade guards stink for seeing the cut. When I'm sneaking up on a line, I flip the blade guard up, though I rarely do that. At that point, it's easier to whip out a hand plane and take off a couple of shavings than fool around with the tablesaw.

[Ron Natalie]

I've had not a moment of regret with my (3HP) PCS. I've got the long fence/table and the extension table and the dust guard and the retractible wheels. They didn't have the overarm connector to the dust guard (though I've got the guard with the dust port). I'm doing OK because the flex hose I'm using from the DC drop is stiff enough (this is one of the few times where the stiffness of this ugly hose I've got is an advantage) to not sag onto the table.

I bought all sorts of gauges and dial indicators when I was awaiting delivery. Me and a couple of woodworking neighbors assembled the saw and then set to work checking it and we pretty much decided there was NOTHING we could improve on from the way it was set at the factory. Everything straight, true, and parallel.

I was originally thinking of getting a sled style mobile base, but the retractible wheel design actually works better for me. It lifts the whole saw up (it even gets the extension table lifted so it's legs clear the floor) making the saw very easy to reposition (my floor is very flat).

[Tom Willoughby]

I've only had one brake fire while cutting through multiple brad nails. It was my own fault for not bypassing the safety mechanism as I knew that I was going to cut through the brads. The only saving grace was that I was using a crappy blade but it was a pain to have to wait for another brake cartridge before using the saw again. I initially thought about buying a back up brake but at ~$70 a pop, I am still only using one regular brake cartridge (and a dado cartridge).

The only other issue I encountered with the PCS saw was a code to adjust the brake distance from the blade and despite multiple unsuccessful tries at resetting the correct distance between the brake and blade, I called customer service and spoke with Darren, who immediately identified the issue, which is a known idiosyncracy of the PCS. If the riving knife (or blade guard) is removed from the clamp, the clamp can sag and drain the radiofrequency telling the cartridge that it is not adjusted correctly. The fix (for me) was to simply saw off a second riving knife that I had and insert it into the clamp to hold it up for dado operations. Darren mentioned that a thin piece of wood inserted into the clamp would accomplish the same thing.

I love my 3 HP SawStop PCS saw and would definitely buy one again.

Tom

[Robert Chapman]

Thanks for your responses guys. Based on what you have said I will now go with the regular base and if I don't like it will upgrade to the Industrial base. It's really amazing how everyone likes this product.

[michael case]

Have the ICS since 2007? Starting to forget. Anyway This machined replaced a PM 66 and is a VAST improvement as saw - not to mention the safety. Great customer service too!

[jerry cousins]

Earlier this year i switched over from a 15 yr old (+/-) unisaw to the 3 hp ss cabinet saw - with the 32" xtension - set up was quite seamless - i was actually very impressed at the manual and the color coded blister-packing of the hardware - then with just a few small tweaks all the settings were dead-on. you will like the saw.
jerry

[mreza Salav]

Thanks for your responses guys. Based on what you have said I will now go with the regular base and if I don't like it will upgrade to the Industrial base. It's really amazing how everyone likes this product.

I too haven't seen/heard many (actually I don't recall reading/hearing any) who didn't like this machine. Their manuals and customer service are excellent, so is the product.

[Tom Hintz]

I have the industrial mobile base under my PCS and love it. two or three pumps (bring your lunch, the pumps are like 3" strokes that take maybe a whole second each!) and the machine is up and on four swivel casters so you can turn or push it in any direction - no steering! I lover that plus the casters are so good that if you give it a little shove it will sort of float across the shop!


Thanks for your responses guys. Based on what you have said I will now go with the regular base and if I don't like it will upgrade to the Industrial base. It's really amazing how everyone likes this product.

[Jeff Zingsheim]

The only little nits I have with my SS is:

1) The dc ain't as good - FOR ME - as my previous Sharkguard. I wish it was a 4" port.
2) A normal 8" dado stack does not work with the regular SS brake cartridge; you need to buy a second one. This means more cost and a little more hassle during use. Others may differ, but this is my opinion.
3) Accidental brake firings are common - mainly bkz of contact with metal miter gauges. That's a hassle, but the sound and the sight of the mangled metal brake is a sobering reminder of how dangerous any saw is. So I can't decide if this is a bad or good thing...

Also, in this price range, it's fair to compare it to the new Unisaw, which has a slightly niftier riving knife and angle adjustment wheel on the front. These are both nice (IMHO) to have.

I'm not sure when you bought your Sawstop, but I just bought the 1.75hp PCS last week, and it has a 4" dust port with a great dust collecting "shroud" around the bottom of the blade. I don't have the dust collection blade guard (yet), and even when I made a cut with my dust collector off, the 4" tubing inside the saw collected most of the dust. The stock blade guard is pretty cool compared to other blade guards that ride up on top of the board, but obviously doesn't aid in dust collection like the DC blade guard probably does. With my dust collector turned on, there's almost no residual dust left inside the saw.

This saw is unbelievably better than the discount saw I just replaced. I'd forgotten what it was like to use a "real" table saw. I also bought the 36" T-Glide fence, and it is a solid, precise fence that compliments a solid, precise saw. I used the rebate on the mobile base, but haven't yet received it from Sawstop (customer service e-mailed me on Tuesday saying that it was shipping on Wednesday - I e-mailed the rebate form in on Saturday)

[Russ Ambrose]

bought a new Unisaw in Feb. really good saw, but i ended up returning it pretty quickly due to serious customer service problems. got a SawStop. better saw and their customer service is second to NONE. get the SawStop.

[David Giles]

It squeaks when the blade is raised and lowered. It is too heavy for a jobsite saw. And the inside is covered with sawdust. Other than that, I got nothing bad to say.

[Bob Falk]

+1 on blade guard and dust collection....I don't even use them anymore...other than that my 2005 ICS is great...a definite improvement over my 1940's Unisaw.

[Kyle Iwamoto]

It squeaks when the blade is raised and lowered. It is too heavy for a jobsite saw. And the inside is covered with sawdust. Other than that, I got nothing bad to say.

WHAT? Your saw squeaks? I'd take it back..... My saw doesn't.:)

I have the same or similar nits. I have an older ICS. THere is NO over table dust collection, but the saw and service quality is top notch. I do a lot of 1/8" cuts, so my guard is off a lot anyways.... Have yet to fire my brake. Knock on wood. You'll love your saw.

[Alan Lightstone]

I find it a little annoying to have to change the cartridge when switching from dado to regular blade. Customer service is fantastic, and the instruction manual/color coded parts sections/organization is hands down the best I've ever seen in any product. I wish there was a little more room for your hand to change blades. That may be common to other table saws.

[Prashun Patel]

My PCS has a 4" port below the blade too. *In my experience, it is as good as my previous saw: *mediocre.

My nitpick was with the blade guard. *My previous saw had a Sharkguard aboveblade shroud. *It had a 4" port. The new fangled Sawstop blade guard has a tiny port that does not do a good job of catching dust. *This guard has many fans and a few critics. *I'm one of the critics. *The guard would be much better IMHO if it a) had cheeks that were independently moveable so even on trimming cuts, the cut line would be enclosed, and b) if the port were widened to 4" and attached straight to the top instead of out the back and going through that channel. *That channel, in my nonscientific opinion is overengineered. *It clogs and is narrow. *

Hey, don't get me wrong, I LOVE my PCS. *I just don't love the guard.

[Robert Chapman]

Thanks for all the informative responses to my post. I bought the Professional model with the 36 inch fence and the Industrial base. This is the finest piece of woodworking equipment that I have ever owned - I have Grizzly, Jet, Powermatic, Craftsman equipment. The assembly was a pleasure, the manual is a work of art, the engineering and fabrication of the saw is excellent, the quality of the components is great, everything is finished in black powder coat - even the nuts a bolts. Instructions for assembly and adjustment are easy to follow and accurate - had to adjust the blade parallelism about 4 thousandths and had no problem. The Industrial base with its hydraulic mechanism is a joy to use - you can rotate the saw completely in its footprint. The 36 in fence is great. I attached a cast iron router table on the right side and a Jessem slider on the left. With the Industrial base I do not need the legs on the right side of the saw for support. Dust collection is excellent - I have the 1.75hp model and do not have over the blade collection. I look forward to many years of safe and enjoyable use from this saw. I do not work for SawStop.

[Bob Falk]

I also really like the Jessem slider as it allows you to move around the saw on the mobile base.