grizzly cyclone

[mike malone]

about 6 weeks or so ago i started a thread re grizzly's about to be released cyclone DC's.
The release date has been delayed..and i have checked their website.
Now i don't know if it's old age or what but does anybody recall the original costs of these cyclones..the prices on their website now seem a little higher to me.
anyone??
thanks

[Jim O'Dell]

I thought the same thing, but I, too, don't remember for sure. If you are interested in a cyclone soon, Clear Vue has their unit on sale...$200.00 off through the end of March. This is with his and Bill Pentz's newly designed impeller, mounting brackets, Leeson 5hp (3 hp continuous) motor, and 6 blast gates. Only thing not included is the waste barrel, flex host to it, and the filter. Add in for that and it's still $210.00 (+ or - a buck) less than the Grizzly. I wish I knew how the plastic material will hold up over long term, but it should be fine. Hope this gives you just one more thing to cloud the decision!!!! Jim.

[Richard Wolf]

I was also looking at the Clear Vue. Is that really $200 off? Its based on shipping costs of each piece individually, not shipped as a complete unit. Its hard to believe it would cost $190 shipping. I could be wrong!

Richard

[Jim O'Dell]

I agree, but I have been watching the site pretty regularly, and the price has been the same for each part. I've e-mailed Ed Morgano several times, and each time he has answered very quickly with good answers. I'm thinking that because of size, each item has to ship in it's own box, therefore there might not be a shipping break for multiple items. You can look at the sale price as free shipping!!! plus an extra 10 bucks off. I feel good about Ed and Bill Pentz having a good relationship, and that Bill will actually get a part of the sale. For all the work he has done on dust collection and having his site up to help all of us, I hope what he gets from these sales will at least help him keep the site going for others. Jim.

[Jim Becker]

I don't know if the prices changed, Mike, but the price for the 2hp unit isn't all that much lower than I paid for my 2hp Oneida Commercial system after negotiating my deal. Granted, I picked it up rather than incurred shipping, however...

The Grizzly site still claims April to begin sales...it's been that way for some time now.

[Jim Andrew]

Just checked the griz site, had the price of the 2 hp written down, and
delivered it was 903, when I made a note, and it is still that price. I ordered
a woodsucker, with freight and switch was 1041. I think. After all I read,
decided I would be better off with an aluminum impeller, as they say that
steel can hit some kinds of chips and possibly create a spark. Don't want
to risk a fire after spending the last year of spare time fixing up a building
for the shop, and spending my wad on equipment. Jim

[Jim McCarty]

Just checked the griz site, had the price of the 2 hp written down, and
delivered it was 903, when I made a note, and it is still that price. I ordered
a woodsucker, with freight and switch was 1041. I think. After all I read,
decided I would be better off with an aluminum impeller, as they say that
steel can hit some kinds of chips and possibly create a spark. Don't want
to risk a fire after spending the last year of spare time fixing up a building
for the shop, and spending my wad on equipment. JimWoodsuckers web site says their impeller is made of steel if I'm not mistaken. Have you received your DC yet and checked this out? I've been going back and forth trying to make up my mind which DC to buy/build. I have a 2hp import pulling through a home made cyclone that works really well but I want more cfm and my 11" or 12" impeller doesn't seem to be big enough. Woodsucker seems to be the best bang for the buck but I've heard that it's loud. I like how compact and rugged it is though. I'm also tempted to build a BP kit, but this isn't really saving any $ by the time you buy all the extra parts to finish it up. HELP!!!

[JayStPeter]

I don't know if the prices changed, Mike, but the price for the 2hp unit isn't all that much lower than I paid for my 2hp Oneida Commercial system after negotiating my deal. Granted, I picked it up rather than incurred shipping, however...

The Grizzly site still claims April to begin sales...it's been that way for some time now.

That's a good deal. I bought mine before the availability of the smaller filter. Plus, I had to pay a serious amount in shipping (Even though I saved $100 by picking it up at the terminal). Mine wound up a couple hundred MORE than the 3HP Grizzly delivered.

Jay

[Jim Becker]

Jay, there was a cosmetic "dent" in the outside of blower housing which helped grease the wheels. I was also a second time buyer and I'm sure that didn't hurt! I could have had a silver (old design) 3hp for the same price (a repo, I believe), but it was too tall for my situation since I was not willing to forgo the 55 gallon drum (once you upsize, you never go back!) As it is, my 2hp system has the motor stuck up between the joists to get the necessary headroom to accomodate the bin with a comfortable amount of flex between the cone and the drum. Regardless of what I paid, I feel I got a lot for my mony in performance and quality.

[Kent Parker]

Mike,

Back in Feb. I printed the info on the 2 hp and 1 1/2 hp units. The 2 hp GO440 was listed to sell at $ 745.00 with $ 78.00 shipping. The 1 1/2 hp unit was $ 645.00 with $ 58.00 for shipping.

Grizzly has changed the look of their unit since that time, and their price. They are now advertising the 2 hp for $ 825.00 with $ 78.00 for shipping. The cyclone appears to have a longer taper that my Feb ad shows. The intake port shows a raised section and the angle bracket for the filter has been inverted.
By comparision in Feb they listed Oneidas price tag at $ 1,244.73 with $ 250.00 shipping and now show a change to $ 1,367.75 with $ 250.00 shipping.

Kent

[mike malone]

Hi Kent..I knew someone was on their toes..and thanks for proving that senility hasn't quite set in yet.
Best/mike

[Mike Monroe]

I just ordered the 2hp unit, G0440, from Grizzly. I'll let ya' all know when it's delivered and how easy it is to get into operation. Price was $903 delivered FOB. This will be my first DC of any kind, in the past I've just used a shop vac and wore P100 rated half-mask. For ducting I'm planning on going with spiral duct from Spiral Manufacturing.

-Mike

[Kent Parker]

Mike,

Where is Spiral Manufactoring?

Do you know about Air Handling in Woodbridge, CT? check out their site at www.airhand.com (http://www.airhand.com). Lots of parts and pipe.

I'll be waiting for your Grizzly cyclone report as I suspect others will be. :)

Regards,

Kent

[Mike Monroe]

Kent,

Spiral Manufacturing Co.
11419 Yellowpine St. NW
Minneapolis, MN 55448

Ph: 763-755-7677
Fax: 763-755-6184

http://www.spiralmfg.com/

I've read good things about them.

-Mike

[JayStPeter]

Jim,

After my recent overfilling incidents, I'm thinking of upgrading to the bigger drum. I do have the ceiling height, but sure dread the thought of re-installing the thing a little higher.
I'm pretty sure you mentioned that you empty yours as mulch somewhere on you land. One reason for not upsizing is that I really can't do that. I use 55 gal drum liner bags to empty my 35 gal into. Not sure how well they would hold an actual full 55 gal. If anyone has any advice there, I'd appreciate it.


By comparision in Feb they listed Oneidas price tag at $ 1,244.73 with $ 250.00 shipping and now show a change to $ 1,367.75 with $ 250.00 shipping.

Kent

Oneida has filter and drum options that change the prices of their systems. So, take Grizzlys numbers with a grain of salt there. It appears to be the highest cost configuration. IMO, the large filter is cool, but unnecessary. So, take off a couple hundred there.
I can verify the shipping charges are in the correct ballpark. But, again, you can choose terminal or doorstep delivery and pay different amounts. There's some factor for where you live also (though my shipping to DC terminal was still near the Grizzly number). Either way, Oneida does not have a good deal with the shipping companies. Assuming that actual Grizzly performance is in the ballpark they claim, my feeling is that the Oneida will still be worth the extra couple hundred dollars. But, once shipping is added in, it will be difficult to justify a $4-500 actual difference.

Jay

[John Bailey]

Mike,

I remember the prices that Kent had printed off. I also remember the adds saying the units would be available in February. I'm sure I printed the info also, but I can't find it. Anyway, I'm sure Grizzly figured when their own testing came out so good, they could get away with raising the price. I would comment that when the prices were listed lower, the units were not available. Now that the units are available, the price has gone up. It could be interpreted as a marketing ploy to get customers to wait until the testing figures came out. I'd like to hear if anyone got a unit at the original advertised price. Myself, I'm goning to wait for independent testing before I jump.

John

[Jim Becker]

John, they completely changed the design mid-stream which resulted in both the delay and the price difference. The original pricing was for plain-jane cyclones and the new pricing is for the ones that appear to be engineered for the task. Some would say that the design is remarkably similar to that of Mr Pentz now.

[John Bailey]

Jim,

That's good to know. Having read through all of Mr. Pentz's material, it would seem the right way to go for Grizzly. If that's the case, it would be nice to know Grizzly offered some compensation.

John

[Jim Becker]

If that's the case, it would be nice to know Grizzly offered some compensation.Rumor has it...no...at least from posts I've read elsewhere. But I don't know if that is true or not.

[Mike Monroe]

Grizzly emailed me a nice form letter... the G0440 won't be available until the beginning of May. Which, given the current state of my shop, should work out fine.

-Mike

Dear Mr. Monroe,

Thank you for your internet order ##########, web reference #######!

Unfortunately, our G0440 2 Stage Dust Collectors are out of stock and have been placed on backorder. They are due to arrive at our warehouse around the beginning of May, 2005 and your order will be shipped complete as soon as they are in stock.

Please read the following delivery information, since your order is shipping via Truck Freight:

The trucking company will notify you prior to delivery to make arrangements. Truck drivers are subject to a number of regulations, one of which is that they are not required to give any assistance in unloading. Please be prepared for this "curbside" delivery, as you are responsible for unloading the item(s) and placing them in your shop.

Please note, in the rare case of a damaged shipment on items marked F.O.B., it is imperative that you note any irregularities on the bill of Lading. Carton holes, dents, tears, etc. Should be noted on the form the driver gives you to sign when you are accepting delivery.

If we may be of further assistance, you may contact us by e-mail at csr@grizzly.com (http://by3fd.bay3.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?mailto=1&msg=MSG1111249659.3&start=4589924&len=4852&src=&type=x&to=csr@grizzly.com&cc=&bcc=&subject=&body=&curmbox=F000000001&a=a7def4e7d7bc666249abc7bf7d589039). You may also call our Order Desk at 1-800-523-4777. Thank you very much for your order.

[mike malone]

hi mike
will be very interested in your comments on your unit..unless i pull the trigger on one, myself.\
when comparing the cyclones in the Jan/05 catalog to the ones featured on the griz website...The machines do look totally different. The new ones seem to have a much longer funneled section and the intake is similar to (altho stubbier than), Woodsucker..etc. guess they have done some "tweaking"
mike

[Mike Monroe]

Mike,

I'll be interested in my comments too. :)

I've never ordered anything from Grizzly before, all the stationary tools in my shop are Delta.

-Mike

[mike malone]

hey mike..ditto,.... Powermatic and Delta.
I personally think you made a good choice. If Oneida are STUCK on $250 shipping, they should be working on a solution to their problem. If other companies can do it, they can.
best

[Matt Meiser]

If that's the case, it would be nice to know Grizzly offered some compensation.

Grizzly is the latest in string of individuals and companies that he has accused of stealing his design according to a post on his web site. Right or wrong (on all sides of the issue) it is unfortunate that if he wanted to be paid for using his designs, that he didn't patent them.

I some ways, its not much different that the 14" bandsaw market. I would guess that majority of us who have them have one of many based on a design stolen from Delta.

[Jim Andrew]

You are right, I just checked the Woodsucker site, and it says the
impeller is steel. Was positive he said it was cast aluminum when i ordered
the thing. But could be wrong. It is to be shipped today, so it will be
installed when I get it. Will have to be careful not to let it overfill, so no
chips hit the impeller. Jim

[Jim Becker]

I'm really not sure why the worry about "chips hitting the impeller". It's metal and wood chips are certainly not going to damage it. The real issue with steel impellers is with single stage DCs that everything must pass through the impeller...bits of metal picked up in the air stream "could" result in a spark. (That's why a single stage DC should never be used with a floor sweep) I doubt that's really going to be an issue with a properly designed cyclone.

The real reason to be sure to not overfill your bin is that it's a royal pain in the tukus to clean out a filter that's been impacted with sawdust and chips!

[Matt Meiser]

The real reason to be sure to not overfill your bin is that it's a royal pain in the tukus to clean out a filter that's been impacted with sawdust and chips!

DAMHIKT. The first person to come up with an affordable "Bin Overful" indicator will sell a lot of them. I'd like to wire one in to shut my system down on a full bin.

Oneida says you should still worry about steel after the cyclone because something might get through. Seems like if that was the case, you'd be seeing a lot of debris in your filters.

[Jim Becker]

DAMHIKT. The first person to come up with an affordable "Bin Overful" indicator will sell a lot of them. I'd like to wire one in to shut my system down on a full bin.There have been some ideas and attempts, but nothing mainstream that I've seen. I put a window in the top of my bin so I can at least check frequently (when I remember... ;) ) to see what the level is. But face jointing wide boards and planing the same, even with light cuts, can fill up a 55 gallon drum really fast!!


Oneida says you should still worry about steel after the cyclone because something might get through. Seems like if that was the case, you'd be seeing a lot of debris in your filters.I also think it unlikely, but do observe that my Oneida impeller is cast aluminum. My previous unit from them had a plastic/composite impeller.

[Aaron Montgomery]

One change from the original that I'm sure affected price is that they are now coming with remotes. There were several long threads on the WoodNet forums that involved one of the Grizzly people (PapaGrizzly) and they talked him into the remote. From the Grizzly G0440 website:

Switch: Magnetic w/ remote control devise

[Matt Meiser]

But face jointing wide boards and planing the same, even with light cuts, can fill up a 55 gallon drum really fast!!

That's how it happened to me. Took a 1/2 hour to fill it and about 3 to clean it. That said, my filters needed a good cleaning anyway. I probably wouild have procrastinated a few months longer so I could do it outside though. I had to use the shop vac (with hepa filter) to suck the dust I was blowing out of the filters.

[Greg Narozniak]

The real reason to be sure to not overfill your bin is that it's a royal pain in the tukus to clean out a filter that's been impacted with sawdust and chips!

Jim,

You are SOOOOOO Right. I made the mistake of overfilling my Oneida once and it took over 2 hours to clean out the filter. Needless to say I check it much more often now :D

[JayStPeter]

The real reason to be sure to not overfill your bin is that it's a royal pain in the tukus to clean out a filter that's been impacted with sawdust and chips!

The quickest way I've found to get all the dust out is have your 5 year old son hit the button on the remote while you have the bin and filter pan off. :rolleyes:

BTW, I think the large Oneida filter adds about 15 gal to my capacity :cool:

Jay

[Dan Stuewe]

There have been some ideas and attempts, but nothing mainstream that I've seen.

Penn State sells one...

http://www.pennstateind.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PSI&Product_Code=BINSENSOR&Category_Code=DCA

(once you look at the site, you'll know as much as I do about it. I just remember seeing it in one of their cataloges.)

BTW, Jay, I think I need to change my quote to add another option to getting something done!! :D

[Matt Meiser]

Hmm. Maybe I'll have to try to come up with something similar. I knew that EE degree might come in use some day.

That paddle looks EXACTLY like the wrench we had for the water filter under the sink at our old house.

[mike lucas]

I thought the same thing, but I, too, don't remember for sure. If you are interested in a cyclone soon, Clear Vue has their unit on sale...$200.00 off through the end of March. This is with his and Bill Pentz's newly designed impeller, mounting brackets, Leeson 5hp (3 hp continuous) motor, and 6 blast gates. Only thing not included is the waste barrel, flex host to it, and the filter. Add in for that and it's still $210.00 (+ or - a buck) less than the Grizzly. I wish I knew how the plastic material will hold up over long term, but it should be fine. Hope this gives you just one more thing to cloud the decision!!!! Jim.
Whats the newly designed impeller like? Is it bigger?