Old Bailey Stanley Planes

[Garrett Garner]

Hi everyone, I have been a lurker here for sometime, and finally signed up to try and get some info from to better educate myself from the very knowledgeable people on here. I have 3 large Bailey Stanley planes that my grandfather left to me and I am trying to find out what type they are. I see a lot of times people will have a plane thats a No5 type 9 or something along those lines. How do you figure out what type the plane is?

My grandfather was a finishing carpenter and collected a lot of old tools which he left to me. I have been using some of them for the past few years but would like to know what I really have. I would be happy to take some pics, of them for you all to see, because I really dont have much of an idea of what I have. There are 3 large bailey/stanley planes about 15-18 inches in length, and 1 stanley No 386 fence.

I am wondering if these planes are collectible and I should not be using them or if they are more run of the mill and just great tools to have and use.

Here is some info on the first 3. I will try and get some pictures up later today when I get a chance.

Bailey-Stanley No 6 Its about 18" long and quite heavy. The bottom have flat, color is black.
Bailey -Stanley No 5 1/2 about 15" long with grooves on the bottom color is black.
Bailey-Stanley No 5 about 14" long with grooves on the bottom, and the color is blue.

Thanks for any info you guys can give, and please let me know what other info would be useful.

I also have 60-70 Disston saws which I hope to eventually learn about, I have been doing research on those for a few months now but its just seems like such a daunting task!

Thanks all!
Garrett

[john brenton]

They are absolutely worthless...PM sent. :)

[Clisby Clark]

None of the three are considered collectable. The 5 1/2 is probably the most valuable going by ebay standards. Believe it or not the 386 fence is probably the most collectable/valuable item you mentioned. USE THEM AS THEY WERE INTENDED!!! I cherish the few tools I've gotten from family. Two sites you may want to check out:
http://www.disstonianinstitute.com/links.html

http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan0a.html

[Johnny Kleso]

You can find out whhat type your planes are at my website www.rexmill.com (http://www.rexmill.com) > Type Study
As for saw if they are Disstons check http://www.disstonianinstitute.com/
Simmonds, Bishop and Atkins also make very good saws

[Jim Neeley]

LOL, John...

That's one of the nice things about this forum, Garrett; people here are very helpful and there's a treasure of information from here. They'll help you figure out all about what you have, and how to fettle them if necessary and if you want to use them. They'll even help you determine their value. We all learn this way.

By the way, read John's post but ignore his PM... read *my* PM instead! <just kidding> :D

[Jim Koepke]

Garret,

Welcome to the Creek and the slippery slope.

Johnny's site is a great place to start in determining the age of your tools.

Here on SMC, the best place to look on fixing up planes (and other tools) is the Sticky: Neanderthal wisdom/FAQs at the top of the Neanderthal Haven forum.

We always like pictures.

Some of the places to look on a plane to determine the age are behind the frog for dates, same place for adjustment screws and at the base of the frog for how it seats.

jtk

[Johnny Kleso]

PS if your saws are quality names and not all rusty and pitted they could be very valuable..
Do they have brass screws or steel and what are some of the names.

[Garrett Garner]

I did not receive any PM's maybe I am checking them wrong?

Here are a couple pictures, I will post more later when I get home

The Fence
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk5d2ZbKI/AAAAAAAADjY/a70vlish1Jo/s640/bailey-13.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk6j9rGiI/AAAAAAAADjc/fCjfb2idm08/s640/bailey-14.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk5LUCVMI/AAAAAAAADjQ/KPNXZeW1lGA/s640/bailey-12.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk19sFZCI/AAAAAAAADi0/7LdCVDE48fA/s640/bailey-5.jpg

[Jim Koepke]

Garret,

If the plane in both pictures is the same, there is not enough information to give a good answer on the date of manufacture.

In the top picture it looks like a 1950's or later model.

The lower picture looks like parts from a plane made from about 1892 - 190X. It could be from a late type 6 to an early type 9.

Late type 6 may have a casting mark that looks like a pimple on the back side of the lever cap, on the bottom of the frog and either behind the frog or under the tote.

Type 7 will have an S casting mark.

Type 8 will have a B casting mark

Type 9 will have BAILEY at the toe and patent dates behind the frog.

My best guess is there are two different planes pictured.

If not, you have what is known as a Frankenplane where parts have been mixed from different planes.

jtk

[Noah Barfield]

I did not receive any PM's maybe I am checking them wrong?


Hi Garrett,

They're joking with you. Usually when someone wants to buy something, they'll send a PM to the person expressing their interest (often in the Tool Swap section). It sounds like you have a wonderful inheritance of tools. Have fun (I envy all of those saws--very cool)!

Noah

[john brenton]

Yeah, man, it's a common joke...it's beyond cliche. Anytime anyone has something enviable, commenting "it's worthless and I'll take it" is irresistable to some of us predictable hams. I'm embarrassed that I do it, but I can't help myself.

I don't see anything so valuable that touching it would ruin it. As was pointed out by Jim earlier, the fence is very hard to come by and I wouldn't touch it if I wanted to sell it, but I would keep it and use it.

Other than that, I would say you could have a few years of tooling around and learning how to do some restoring work. I wouldn't aim for "mint", but little things like getting that eggshelling out of the handles without actually stripping them, getting the rust off without having to expose fresh metal, sharpening, etc.

The saws sound like surely there will be something good in there. I would do what the other poster says and research all your saws. Any saw you have may be worth anywhere from $10 to $100+.

[Jim Koepke]

The saws sound like surely there will be something good in there. I would do what the other poster says and research all your saws. Any saw you have may be worth anywhere from $10 to $100+.

Some folks may think that having just a few saws is all that is needed. Yesterday while using my 5 ppi cross cut to shorten a rail road tie, it seemed it would be nice to have one filed at about 3 ppi.

Of course, not many folks have a need to cut rail road ties. In my case, there is the field work and the shop work and a few things in between.

jtk

[Garrett Garner]

Ok, sorry about the confusion I think I messed up the order on the pictures earlier. So I will give this another try! Thanks for all the great info already guys, I am really learning a lot here! Maybe sometime this weekend I will try and get some pictures of the saws!

Bailey No 5 1/2 This plane has grooves on the bottom of it.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk1YfRRAI/AAAAAAAADio/8-h6Qa2ueRg/s640/bailey-1.jpg
In front of the knob it says BAILEY, slightly in front of the handle it says PAT'D MAR-25-02 AUG -19-02

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk1bTMdLI/AAAAAAAADis/X3uL-oHMMd0/s640/bailey-2.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk1lZ2uyI/AAAAAAAADiw/AWSpHvbi7oU/s640/bailey-3.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk19sFZCI/AAAAAAAADi0/7LdCVDE48fA/s640/bailey-5.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk1x-iHiI/AAAAAAAADi4/xt9LTorsLsA/s640/bailey-4.jpg

Bailey No 5

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk2G_LxmI/AAAAAAAADi8/FlcKXDUFku0/s640/bailey-6.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk2UPXNfI/AAAAAAAADjA/ICWf6ljW2RA/s640/bailey-7.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk2_1bgrI/AAAAAAAADjE/L-Awd6JFZXs/s640/bailey-9.jpg

Looks to me like it says C 466

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk3N0EWxI/AAAAAAAADjI/ELE-rBk64OE/s640/bailey-10.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk3UV6c-I/AAAAAAAADjM/flPg1XvcAjI/s640/bailey-8.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk5LUCVMI/AAAAAAAADjQ/KPNXZeW1lGA/s640/bailey-12.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk5D3HkAI/AAAAAAAADjU/dl9H_JtN3_0/s640/bailey-11.jpg

Here is the Fence

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk5d2ZbKI/AAAAAAAADjY/a70vlish1Jo/s800/bailey-13.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk6j9rGiI/AAAAAAAADjc/fCjfb2idm08/s800/bailey-14.jpg

[Garrett Garner]

Bailey No 6

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk7PRchqI/AAAAAAAADjg/kgnMyATS_ds/s640/bailey-16.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk8yTGGvI/AAAAAAAADjk/6vOPvYT7EoU/s640/bailey-17.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk6DWoIFI/AAAAAAAADjo/gddTOVOrHKs/s640/bailey-15.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk9eqUAXI/AAAAAAAADjs/yl569-2V7Fc/s640/bailey-18.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_pzmPC0aKgGI/TbGk997bMWI/AAAAAAAADjw/jQn5f6r5fZg/s640/bailey-20.jpg

[Greg Wease]

Your #5 is a Type 20.
The 5 1/2 is either Type 9 or 10 (10 if it has a frog adjustment screw)
The 6 is either a Type 10 or 11 (10 if 2 patent dates like the 5 1/2)

PM sent--really, not kidding!

[Garrett Garner]

Thank you so much for all the info guys! Really been cool to figure out what this stuff actually is.

As for the saws, They have brass screws, many of the are disstons, there are a few Simmonds, Bishop, and Atkins as well. There are also many "Warrented" saws, which if my research serves me right could be from many different manufacturers of the times at their 2nds and 3rds. But the handles seem to match up quite well with the Disstons. Hopefully in the next week or so I will have some time to dig back into that project and get some pics etc.

Some other planes which I have and didnt mention yet are what i believe to be a Stanley 92 in all stainless steel, and a Stanley 79 also in SS.

Also what I think may be a Stanley #3 wooden level (Cherry?) with brass inserts. With what looks like a sight that clamps onto it.

A Stanley no 12 square with the stanley heart logo on it.

Hopefully I can get some more pics up soon.

[David Keller NC]

Garrett - Your #92 and #79 aren't stainless steel - they're nickel plated. That nickel plating can be quite fragile, so it is advisable not to use something abrasive to clean it up - the most gentle method would be some paste wax on a rag.

[Dave Lehnert]

The "Fence" Stanley 386 is called a 'Jointer Gauge" Patent by Albert Schade on April 1913. Manufactured from 1911 to 1947. Value estimated at $75 to $150