Performax/Jet Drum Sander Owners?

[Andy Maldoror]

do you get bulk rolls and cut or do you get the pre-cut rolls?
and where do you get it?

thanks
andy

[David Campbell]

Try this site-----http://www.supergrit.com/

I have a Delta sander and I buy rolls of it pre-marked. If you buy pre cut, they are much more expensive.

[Shane Sura]

Amazon has the pre-cut stuff 4 packs for $27. Seems like a pretty good price. I have not had to buy any yet but as I buy everything else under the sun from Amazon (yes I am addicted) I imagine I will purchase those from there as well.

Shane

[Jim McFarland]

I buy 100g rolls from Industrial Abrasives:

http://www.industrialabrasives.com/sanding-rolls-aluminum-oxide-polycotton-drum-sanding-rolls-3x52-yds-c-79_154.html

[John Coloccia]

I buy it here:

http://www.industrialabrasives.com/sanding-rolls-aluminum-oxide-polycotton-drum-sanding-rolls-3x52-yds-c-79_154.html

[Joe Mioux]

Bulk rolls are available at woodcraft.... at least wc in stl

[Lance Norris]

Bulk rolls from Peachtree Woodworking...

http://www.ptreeusa.com/performaxrolls.htm

[Robert Reece]

I just went through this myself since my original wrap on my 22-44 was feeling a lot more like writing paper then sandpaper.
At the advice of some here, I ordered 50 yd rolls of Zirconia 80grit, AO 120 grit and AO 180 grit, all from www.supergrit.com.
So far I am very happy with the finish I get out of these three grits, but it does take some technique. Mainly you can't hog off too much stock. I turn the wheel no more than 1/6th of a turn for each new pass with the 80 grit. The other grits I barely skim the surface, just enough to remove the previous sanding marks.
I also just aligned my drum today since I was getting about 0.020" difference between the two ends. That was enough to make the paper burn when I passed stock through one end, then went to the other and it was taking too much off.

[Andy Maldoror]

ok...so i'm interested in the 3" x 50yds of the zirconia 80grit for $80 from here:

http://www.supergrit.com/products/products_rolldrumsleeve-cloth.asp#11106&priceselect=2

pros/cons of this zirconia? any better prices?

[Robert Reece]

I just ordered that stuff about a week ago. I can tell you that the belt fabric is much tougher than AO. It took more effort to cut it for the wrap.
Once on the machine is does quite well as long as you don't try to hog off too much material. I had a misalignment in my sander and ended up feeding something on one end that was too thick and it pretty much stripped the sand off the belt. So now the right 6" of my belt feels like 220 grit instead of 80. However, the left end of the belt is going strong.

I think as an experiment I am going to try to repair the belt by just pulling this one off and cutting it, then taping it back together with some kick butt tape I have here. We'll see how it goes. I got nothing to lose since this belt is in bad shape anyway.

[Don Selke]

I too buy in bulk from Industrial Abrasives.

[Trace Beard]

I've made a couple of purchases from a company on ebay. You can buy 6 or 12 rolls (IIRC) at a time and you can pick the grits you want. I like the flexibility and the sand paper is good quality.

http://stores.ebay.com/Wood-Up-North

[Kent Chasson]

I happen to live a few minutes from Grizzly and went there when I needed some on short notice. When I got home, I realized they gave me the hook and loop kind with the felt on the back. It worked unbelievably well and I'd be surprised if it was the quality of the abrasive. I'm guessing that little bit of padding keeps it cooler and helps prevent clogging. No difference in flatness either.

[Andy Maldoror]

thanks to everyone for the advice.

i decided on the bulk roll from industrial abrasives.

now, does anyone know the angle of the cut i need to make and the length? i don't have an old roll or template.

[Justin Bukoski]

I order all my sandpaper from these guys: http://www.woodworkingshop.com/ I think you can order a pre-cut belt from them and then buy a roll. Make a paper template in case your belt breaks.

[Andy Maldoror]

yeah. i have to get the paper on for some work i need to do this weekend so i was hoping someone with a template or pre-cut roll could measure the angle of the cut and the length for me.

[John Coloccia]

If you look in the manual (you can get it online) it'll give the correct measurement for the taper. I don't have one handy to measure at the moment or I'd do it.

[Andy Maldoror]

thanks john.

[Andy Maldoror]

ok...i'm wrapping this stuff from an Industrial Abrasives 52 yd. roll. the roll is spliced together with duct tape every 6-7ft or so and the first 3 splices that i've gotten through have been too short to get fully wrapped around the cylindar.
is this acceptable? i thought one of the points of buying a bulk roll would be that it was continuous. i don't know if i'll even get a piece long enough out of the whole roll...and if i did there'd be tons of waste with the short pieces.

or do i just keep the duct tape on the back and hope it holds?

[Jim McFarland]

ok...i'm wrapping this stuff from an Industrial Abrasives 52 yd. roll. the roll is spliced together with duct tape every 6-7ft or so and the first 3 splices that i've gotten through have been too short to get fully wrapped around the cylindar.
is this acceptable? i thought one of the points of buying a bulk roll would be that it was continuous. i don't know if i'll even get a piece long enough out of the whole roll...and if i did there'd be tons of waste with the short pieces.

or do i just keep the duct tape on the back and hope it holds?

Not my experience at all (100 grit) -- I've cut 10+ pieces for a 16-32 from the IA roll and no splices at all. I would call IA to make sure they have sent the right abrasive. Duct tape-like splice not acceptable in my opinion.

Edit to add: This is the product # from my last order -- 01554/3" X 52 YD. 100 GRIT & FINER

Also added photo to illustrate cut angle for 16-32 abrasive (~12*)

[John Coloccia]

Ditto. Call them. A splice every 6 feet is really not acceptable.

[Jim McFarland]

Length of 16-32 abrasive tip-to-tip is ~8' -- photos illustrate length determination on the cutting jig I use.

[John Grabowski]

This is the stuff that I have been using from WC...is anyone else using it? Also, any opinions or issues that can help me avoid.

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2080759/29945/3-X-35-Ft-Roll-220-grit.aspx

I appreciate it,

John G

[John Coloccia]

I've used those in a pinch and they're fine. It's just cheaper to buy it in larger rolls elsewhere. I don't think I buy any abrasives from Woodcraft to by honest.

[Mike OMelia]

I must have missed it, but did not see anyone mention Klingspor... the blue paper. Nice stuff. What is this about duct tape? Never heard that one before. I would be kind of ticked if I got a roll like that! Keep your original from the factory as the template.

Mike

[Andy Maldoror]

i've got another performax question.
i've been using the 4" threaded quick disconnect dust hose attachment from peachtree-#421 on this page- http://www.ptreeusa.com/dustfittings_connector.htm#421
it keeps popping off.
anyone have better solutions for quick disconnect on the performax?

[Leo Vogel]

Andy - I do the same thing and my quick disconnect keeps popping off. I also feel that it puts a lot of strain on the sander's cover. Any new ideas would be appreciated. I do love the sander.

[mreza Salav]

thanks to everyone for the advice.

i decided on the bulk roll from industrial abrasives.

now, does anyone know the angle of the cut i need to make and the length? i don't have an old roll or template.

The easiest way to find the angle on "any" drum is the following:
take a piece of string and wrap once around the drum to find the exact perimeter of the drum. Then put that measured length at an angle on your sand paper from one side to the other.
That gives you an angle that if cut will go around the drum perfectly.

[Mark A Johnson]

I do both, in the course grits I use roll stock, and the finer grits I use the factory. The one thing I find is when cutting roll stock, sometimes the paper will push slightly under the last loop and since its doubled up, it will leave a small burn spot on the work piece.