16" jointer for $375

[Jaromir Svoboda]

I can get 16" jointer ,2 hp ,4 knife cutter head,3 phase belt drive for $375.Its on mobile base.There is no name on it ,its from 1920s.Works good,should I get it?
I need to get phase converter for sliding saw anyway.

[Peter Quinn]

Yes. Run. Now!:D:o:D

[Logan William]

All depends on what the cutter head is. If its has a square cutter head body stay away or plan on upgrading to a 3 bladed round cutterhead. Also what are the bearings for the head, babbet(cast in place) or ball bearing/pillowblock. Do some searching on OWWM.com for additional info and potential to find the manufacturer based on their machine library.

[Chip Lindley]

Of course you should get it...IF...you can devote that much footprint to a huge jointer. They are HUGE to move too. Be Prepared to do whatever it takes to load and unload it safely. And, don't hurt yourself either! lol!

[Thomas Delpizzo]

Why are you asking????!!!!

It should be in your shop already!!!!!!!

[Ted Wong]

+1 for what Logan said. I've purchased Babbit Bearing machines before and they can be restored nicely but if it's a square cutterhead I'd run the other way or consider how much it would be to have a round cutterhead installed. Could be if you have to swap out cutterheads you may have more money into the machine than it would have been to buy a machine that was already equipped that way.
Another thing to consider is the guard. Is there one and is it still in place and in good working order? What condition is the table in and is it pretty banged up at the throat?

[Van Huskey]

+1 on what Ted and Logan said. Guard and cutterhead/bearings are big issues to consider. There are steller deals to be had on big jointers if you look and no need to tie yourself to a money pit even at that price.

[Jaromir Svoboda]

I bough it today.Its 3 knife round cutter head,with guard.Bearings looks like new.Motor is GE 2 Hp 3 Ph.
Anybody know what brand is it?

[Raymond Fries]

It will be awesome when you get it all restored. Show us some pics when it is finished.

[Rich Tesoroni]

Looks a lot like a 12" sidney I recently got. Like mine, looks like the original cutterhead was replaced with a newer head in pillow blocks

Rich

[Jonathan Spool]

Sweet! Why not forgo the converter and see if you can't get a 3-5 hp single phse motor for it on Craigslist? 2HP 3phase on a converter will only yield 1.3hp off of a converter which I doubt is sufficient for this beauty

[Logan William]

Nice find! Looks like its been retrofitted at some time with the pillowblock style bearings, assuming they did a reasonable job of keeping the two sides parallel and in the same vertical plane it should work great.

Since you said you need a converter for your slider anyway I'd say buy/make a rotary phase converter then keep the jointer 3 phase. If you didn't need 3 phase for another piece of equipment I'd probably agree with Jonathan and say get a 3 hp single phase motor and keep the one on it for whenever you got 3 phase. I'd love to see pics once its cleaned up!

[Dave Cav]

Nice looking machine. If the motor is 2 HP, 240 volt three phase you can get a VFD from Factorymation for around $200 and run it off a 220 volt single phase circuit.

You should take your pictures over to OWWM.org; someone there will probably have one just like it.

[Jaromir Svoboda]

If I would like replace motor with single phase,what to look for?Motor RPM?Size?Are all motors same?

[Dan Friedrichs]

Wow - is that a zerk fitting on the bearing?

[Cyrus Brewster 7]

Wow! What a fantastic find. Right now I working on the other side of the world for the next couple of weeks. When I am out here I worry that I will miss out on a deal like this. Enjoy.

[Frank Drew]

$375!?!?!?!?! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Definitely in contention for Deal of the Year!

[Robert Boyd]

Keep the motor just add this VFD:

http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.196/.f?sc=2&category=32

This will take care of your 3phase needs. Just need 240 in the shop. The motor on there now is definitely a keeper.

[Jonathan Spool]

Robert,
Using a VFD instead of a static converter retains full hp?

[Rusty Eads]

A VFD or a rotary converter will not cause a drop in HP. A static converter causes a 1/3 hp drop because you are only running on 2 of the 3 legs of power.

[Philip Johnson]

I have a shop fox 12 inch jointer with 3hp motor. It always seems a bit underpowered when sliding a 12 inch board across it. I would not go any smaller then 3hp and would consider a 5hp on a 16 inch jointer.

Phil

[Jerry Olexa]

You did well!!!!

[Chip Lindley]

Sweet! Why not forgo the converter and see if you can't get a 3-5 hp single phse motor for it on Craigslist? 2HP 3phase on a converter will only yield 1.3hp off of a converter which I doubt is sufficient for this beauty


A VFD or a rotary converter will not cause a drop in HP. A static converter causes a 1/3 hp drop because you are only running on 2 of the 3 legs of power.

Rusty's Right! It's static phase converters that only provide 2/3 of a motor's horsepower. RPCs let a motor deliver full Hp!

That is a huge, old 2hp motor. You can do better. As said, a 16" jointer needs enough power for a maximum-width cut. You can find a modern 5hp 3ph motor to replace that one on the cheap. Start looking on CL and eBay. Of course your starter must be Size 1 (with appropriate heaters) to handle 5hp motor amps (around 12.0)

With the $$$ you saved on your 16" Gloat, a 5hp motor that compliments it is easy to justify. So is an RPC large enough for present and future needs. I foresee more 3ph machines in your ww'ing future! ;-)


Wow - is that a zerk fitting on the bearing?

Most industrial pillow block bearings include Zerks for convenient lubrication rather than PITA disassembly.

[Derek Gilmer]

Not sure about compatability but grizzly has a single phase 5 HP motor for $340. That will give you a good starting point on the price to upgrade at least. http://www.grizzly.com/products/Motor-5-HP-Single-Phase-3450-RPM-TEFC-220V/H5390

[Heather Thompson]

Jaromir,

You should be glad I did not see this listing, I would have been all over it!!! On almost every post I see like this there is the mandatory "You Suck" post, and you do, Congrats!!!!! That is a great machine, have fun with the restore and if you would like help let me know.

Heather

[Jaromir Svoboda]

What is VFD?What is a difference between VFD and RPC?

Thank you.

[Dan Friedrichs]

What is VFD?What is a difference between VFD and RPC?

Thank you.

A VFD is a small electronic device that converts your single phase input power to 3-phase to run the motor. It does this with electronic switches, usually about 90% efficiently. It looks like a large magnetic starter. It also usually lets you vary the speed from near-stopped all the way up to full speed.

A RPC (rotary phase converter) is the other way to get 3 phase from a single phase source. It's basically a single phase motor connected to a 3-phase generator (the single phase motor physically spins the shaft leading into the 3-phase generator). Turns out that you can actually wind both the single-phase motor's windings and the 3-phase generator's windings onto the same frame, turning the unit into a thing that looks like an oversized motor, but doesn't have a shaft coming out (there is still a piece spinning on the inside, though). If this sounds clunky and low-tech, it's because it is.... But they do work.

Finally, you can just connect 2 legs of the 3 phase motor to your single phase supply. But you only get 2/3 the rated HP.