Anybody used the LV scraper insert??????

[Terry Hatfield]

Howdy everyone,

Just wondering if anyone here has the scraper plane insert for the smoothing/bench palnes and what you thought of it if you do.

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Thanks,

Terry

[John Dingman]

Terry,


I haven't tried it but I have read good things about it from people who have. But you know deep down in your heart you won't be happy unless you have this:

http://www.leevalley.com/images/item/woodworking/planes/05p2901s1.jpg
:rolleyes: John

[Terry Hatfield]

Terry,


I haven't tried it but I have read good things about it from people who have. But you know deep down in your heart you won't be happy unless you have this:

http://www.leevalley.com/images/item/woodworking/planes/05p2901s1.jpg
:rolleyes: John


John,

LOL.....why don't you just drive down here and shoot me in the head???? :D

Seriously, I REALLY do want the scraper plane but I have SERIOUSLY blown the tool budget and more this month already. The QS white oak for Cheryl's grandfather clock is about to drive me nuts. I have planed and planed. Every direction possible using as light a cut as I can get with Robin's #4 and it is still tearing out. I suppose I could give up and drum sand the stock but what fun would that be...especially since it was the clock project that started all this neander mess in the first place. I have the LV LA Jack ordered but it's on stinkin' backorder until the 17th. I think that plane with the HA blade might do me some good. The sad part is that I have the HA blade already but no plane to put it in.

t

BTW.... I was checking out your site again this morning. You have done a great job with it!!!!!!!

[John Dingman]

Terry,


I can mail ya mine (LV LA Jack) so you can finish your project and you can mail it back when you are done or yours arrives. As far as the tool budget goes...........I have been there and done that ;)

John

[Terry Hatfield]

Terry,


I can mail ya mine (LV LA Jack) so you can finish your project and you can mail it back when you are done or yours arrives. As far as the tool budget goes...........I have been there and done that ;)

John


John,

Thanks VERY much for the offer. I truly appreciate it and I just might take you up on it but first I'm considering trying something different on this wood. I'm going to give this a try today...drum sand the tearout until it is gone and the scrape the wood to get some of the clarity back. Is that crazy?????

t

[John Dingman]

John,

Thanks VERY much for the offer. I truly appreciate it and I just might take you up on it but first I'm considering trying something different on this wood. I'm going to give this a try today...drum sand the tearout until it is gone and the scrape the wood to get some of the clarity back. Is that crazy?????

tNo, I don't think so. I have heard of people doing that with great results.

John

[Leif Hanson]

You could always make a scraper body to hold the blade:

http://www.ilovewood.com/wingedscraper.JPG

http://www.ilovewood.com/smallscraper2.JPG

http://www.ilovewood.com/handmade_woodworking_tools.htm

In a very old Fine Woodworking magazine, if you have them, there's an article on building a ram's horn scraper like in the top picture. Can't remember which one, I'll see if I can find it today sometime.

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"drum sand the tearout until it is gone and the scrape the wood to get some of the clarity back. Is that crazy?????"

Well, we'll see on the crazy part :D , but as far as scraping after a drum sander - I've done that and it works quite well. The grit from the paper can dull the scraper...

[Derek Cohen]

Terry

Your best alternative at this stage is a used Stanley #80 scraper. Or, if you are a little flush, the new LV scraper version of this. You may like it so much that you will not be tempted further!

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Terry Hatfield]

Leif...others,

Ok, since we are on the subject....

What is the functional difference between a cabinet scraper, card scraper and the scraper plane. Is the plane just easier to use? Are the 3 options basically for the same job or am I missing something?

Man, there is alot to learn.

t

[Leif Hanson]

Other than how you push them, the biggest difference on the scraper planes like a Stanley 12 or 112 types is that the angle of the blade is adjustable. Different woods take to scraper angles differently, and it can be very handy to be able to fine tune your blade to take the smoothest cut.

I have a 12-1/2, and while it has the adjustable angle, my biggest complaint is its a little awkward to use. A plane type one would be much nicer.

The LV has an additional caveat - it has an adjustment that can be used in conjuntion with a thinner blade that bows the blade, just like you would when you do it by hand... I think for the price, it's the best value out there in scraper planes.

[Roger Bell]

I bought one about ten years ago or so. Unlike most LV products, I didnt like it and ended up giving it away. It is really rather fussy to adjust. Taking it in and out of one of the plane and then re-adjusting it again is a yet another hassle. If you end up getting it, you will likely want a dedicated plane for it to minimize your trouble. Either way, considering how often you need to burnish your scraper edges during the course of the work, having to fuss with the gadget is something to consider. Moreover, you are working within the limitations of a very narrow scraper edge.

For about the same money as the scraper insert, you can get a used Stanley #80. For a mere twenty bucks more, you can get the Veritas improved version of the #80....quite a nice tool and well worth the extra money for the improved design (I have both models). It is simple to set up and easy to tweak the adjustment during the work. Also, the $44 needed for the Veritas #80 will be cheaper than the scraper insert plus a dedicated plane to keep it in.

BTW, the Stanley 112 (and probably the Veritas improved model...I dont have the V model yet) is also more difficult to set up and to adjust during the work than the #80...but a nice tool nonetheless once you get the hang of it. FWW did a review of these various scraper devices a couple of years ago if you care to read a reasoned opinion.

If I were you, I would consider getting by with your card scrapers until you can spring for the real deal......forgo the gadget.

[Herb Blair]

Terry,
I have the LV Scraper insert in a #5. I works great. I thought the blade was too thin when I got it, but after using it on a couple of projects, it works beautifully. I also want the LV scraper, but have spent way too much this year on tools. I am very satisfied with the insert and it meets my needs.
I scraped some really knarlly cherry yesterday with it. It cleaned it up and made it smooth as a baby's butt.
BTW, I have a #80 and a #12 Scraper, the #80 gets a lot of use, The #12 almost no use. I think I bought the #80 on ebay for less than $10. I use it on just about every project I do.

[Herb Blair]

Terry,
Here is a good review of the Lee Valley Scraper

http://www.estimatortools.us/ALF/lvscrapers.htm

[Terry Hatfield]

Terry,
Here is a good review of the Lee Valley Scraper

http://www.estimatortools.us/ALF/lvscrapers.htm

Thanks Herb for the input and the link. Alf is certainly an interesting read. Great info too. I have it saved.

t