Question: Lidded "winged" bowl shapes….

[David DeCristoforo]

I have made a number of lidded vessels and there is always a lip of some kind for the lid. But how do you guys typically do this with a "winged" bowl shape where there is a smooth transition from the rim to the bottom of the bowl? Do you leave a lip or ridge of some kind? Or just let the lid "float" inside the bowl?

[Sean Hughto]

I'm not sure I understand your question, so this may be meaningless and unhelpful, but here are two examples of how i have done some lids in what are more or less bowl shapes:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2724/4228587025_dd5d1cf894_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/4847380231_49d7a472ae_z.jpg

If by winged, you meant bowls that do not come back in towards the rim, and where the rim stays outside the circumference of the lid when the form is closed, I would think you would want some kind of rim shape that gives the lid a resting point so as to provide an easy and secure register and fit.

[Leo Van Der Loo]

I have made a number of lidded vessels and there is always a lip of some kind for the lid. But how do you guys typically do this with a "winged" bowl shape where there is a smooth transition from the rim to the bottom of the bowl? Do you leave a lip or ridge of some kind? Or just let the lid "float" inside the bowl?

David Bob Hamilton showed his winged box making and he has a thin lid edge and recess to fit the lid into/onto, got a picture from it.
I would make a lip on the lid, if you want a complete smooth wall from top to bottom, though I myself use either one, depending the outcome I like to get, HTH

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[David DeCristoforo]

Hopefully, this crude sketch will clarify what I am asking...

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Thanx
DD

[Jim Meyer]

David-- I have a work sheet/diagrham from Cindy Drozda that she shows a ridge on the inside of the bowl the lid sits on. Hope this helps. Jim

[Dick Strauss]

David,
If there is no ridge, the lid will tend to tip one way or the other...

[Richard Madden]

David,
If you are talking about the type of bowl that D. Keller and J. Keeton did recently, with a free form or natural edge type thing, I believe there needs to be a relief cut in the bowl for the lid to sit. At least that's how Cindy Drozda does it in her video Finial Star. You want to be sure and leave enough thickness in the wall for the relief to be cut. I have a couple of burl caps that intend to do that way. Hope this helps.

[David E Keller]

Working from a position of ignorance, I didn't put a ridge on the brown mallee form I did recently, but I will if I do one like it again. Without a lip or ridge, the lid is difficult to position. Turn and learn, huh?

[David DeCristoforo]

"Turn and learn, huh?"

Yes. Or in the alternative... ask, read and (hopefully) learn! Thanx for all the replies. I am leaning heavily toward a slight flared ridge where I want the lid to sit.

Thanx again...

[Bob Hamilton]

Hi:
I usually cut a rabbet for the lid to seat into, but it is best to hollow the bowl and let it sit for a bit before cutting the rabbet, since if there are any stresses in the wood hollowing will release them and it will go slightly oval. I think this pic demonstrates the form you are interested in:

http://bobhamswwing.com/Articles/LiddedBowl/Turning%20a%20Lidded%20Bowl3_files/image008.jpg

Here is a video playlist of the same form:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E2B6AB86D55CE183

Take care
Bob

[Karl Card]

I do believe that I learn more from this forum than my college classes... and they cost a whole lot more....lol