Mm16

[Ray DuBose]

Hey, I was looking at a Hammer 4400 Bandsaw but for around the same Price I can get a used (think it's about 5 year old) MM16 with 4 or 5 blades and that includes shipping, it looks in good shape. Has anything really changed on these things in the last 5 years? Price seem in line? ($1800)

Thanks

[Brian Gumpper]

I believe the resaw and motor HP changed in the past 5 years but don't recall exactly.

[Van Huskey]

I believe the resaw and motor HP changed in the past 5 years but don't recall exactly.


They changed, when they did I am not sure. If it has a 4.8hp motor and 16" of resaw it is the current model. If it is the previous iteration I think the price is a little steep.

[Ray DuBose]

Looks to be a 4hp motor and a 14" resaw

[Brian Gumpper]

Mine is somewhere between 3-4 years old and is the latest version with 4.8HP. I found an old magazine review that showed the previous version at 13" resaw and a 3.6HP motor.

[Ray DuBose]

The guy shot me pictures of it and apparently he's had it for 5 years but it's a 2003.

[Steve Rowe]

The price does seem a little high but it includes shipping so it is difficult to judge. If we knew the price of the saw alone and its condition, this would be an easier call?

I would also offer up the following observation of HP ratings with respect to Minimax machines. They adjust the rated HP upwards by 20% to account for the frequency of running on 50 vs. 60 Hz. I don't know whether this inflation is correct or not; so I will leave that argument to the acedemia minded. Other manufacturers don't appear to do this. That is why you see oddball HP ratings on MM machines (i.e., 3.6 HP vs. 3 HP, or 4.8 HP vs. 4 HP), Keep this in mind when comparing machines as you may be thinking you are getting a larger motor on the MM when in fact, they both may have the same rating.

[Mike Archambeau]

Ray, I have an MM16. Mine has 4.8 hp and 16 inch resaw height. Great saw. I think it is considered Gen III.

If the one you are looking at is 14 inch resaw, I believe it is Gen II. If 14 inch meets your needs, I think you will love the saw. Frankly 14 inch resaw height is a lot, especially when you consider that the N4400 is under 11 inches of resaw height.

I know of three MM16, Gen III saws that sold recently. One went for $1800, one went for $2000, and one went for $2200. I also know of a Gen I saw that sold for $1350.

Hope this helps. If the saw is in good condition it would be a fine addition to your shop.

btw, my MM16 included a trimaster carbide tipped blade, and some lesser but very nice blades.

[Steve Costa]

Bought my MM16 in June of 2005. Invoice indicates it is 4.8 HP with 16" resaw capacity.

Ask the seller to provide the kW rating from the motors name plate. There are sites that will convert the motor's kW rating to HP.

[Jim Becker]

Resaw height and motor power increased post 2004 or so.

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

The Sales Guy from Felder told me to stay away from their saws.
This is the same guy who sold me a slider and a JP and the $400.00 dado cutter along with a slew of other tooling. He could have told me how wonderful their band saws were.
He said stay away.

Over the years of reading and looking I've concluded that the MM16 and the Aganazzi are the saws of choice for those willing to spend the $$.

Good luck finding a US Agg dealer though.

[Mike Heidrick]

Agazzani = Eagle Tools

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3027 Treadwell Street, Los Angeles, CA 90065
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I think the MM16 price is good. If you think it is high do not look a new one :)

I saw a 24" Felder saw in person - it sure looked super nice to me!! Not trading my MM20 but wow that Felder saw was nice.

[Larry Fox]

I have what another poster called a Gen II. That is, 3.6hp motor with about 14" or resaw. I gave a little less than what your seller is asking. I have resawn some wide boards and never found the saw wanting of power at 3.6hp. I have also run into very few boards wider than 14" and almost 0 boards that wide that I wanted to resaw so the capacity is more than enough for me. YMMV. One thing about the MM-16 that I was never able to get used to was the guides. I am not a fan of the Euro guides and replaced the ones on my saw with Carters.

[Carl Knapp]

There were quite a few changes on the MM16 I think the biggest changes were mid 2002 by going to a square plastic adjustable throat plate rather than a wooden one, a wider trunion and larger table. The earlier ones had a smaller table, wooden throat plate and narrow trunion. The earlier ones are not in the same class. This is also around the time when they went to the larger HP CEG motor.
Next there were changes to the fence, the fence rail and it's mounting, (taller with a thicker bar and added scale) The there were major changes around 2003. A new frame, a pivot point type trunion, different euro guides and relocation of the door safety switch.
Price should depend on which version and resaw height,

[Jim Andrew]

I bought a closeout model in 05, has the 3.6 hp motor, and I paid 2500 delivered for a new machine. The salesman said the saw would last 30 years running 2 shifts per day. Got the carbide blade and 3 steel blades.

[Robert LaPlaca]

For reference, I have a 2003 vintage MM16, that has a 13" resaw height, 3.6 HP CEG motor, with a plastic throat plate, that I took delivery of in 2/2003. The price was $1700. I have used the full resaw quite a few times with a 1" Trimaster and NEVER found the 3.6 hp motor wasn't up to the task.