Dust Collector help please

[Trent Whitehead]

Looking at the following dust collectors.

http://www.woodstockint.com/Products/w1685/

or

http://www.steelcitytoolworks.com/products_tools.cfm?section=2&category=5&tool=65200

or

http://www.grizzly.com/products/1-1-2-HP-Dust-Collector-with-New-Impeller/G1028Z2

I only have about $400.00 I can spend, and right now I have no D.C. It will be attached to the tools as they are used, not a central system.

Any feedback or suggestions? I am just starting and do not have the cash for the cyclone systems.

Thanks in advance for your help.

[Robert gree]

if you can go 450. this will be a more powerful and healthier system. the filter is the healthy part.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/2HP-Canister-Dust-Collector/G0548Z

[Geoff Barry]

You can also find a Delta 50-760 for little under $400. It's a 1.5 hp 110v DC, but has a great fan curve, and usually comes out on top of the single-stage DC derby. It comes with a 1 micron bag, plus it is easy to fit with a Wynn cannister filter.

http://www.deltaportercable.com/AboutUs/News.aspx?BlockID=e3ae6e9f-6c78-4433-a8cd-f591b6a2223b

The above link is to a Popular Woodworking comparative review of collectors. Newer DCs may beat the 50-760, but the article is good reading.

[Jerome Stanek]

I am happy with my HF dust collectors I have the 1 hp unit on my old cnc and the 2 hp on my new cnc both work very well I did make the Thien separator. for them

[Paul Wunder]

+1 on the Delta 50-760. It has been top rated by FWW, Wood and others in OBJECTIVE head to head tests against its peers. I own it.

It comes stock with a 1 micron filter bag, which is really critical for catching the fine dust. Do not settle for a 2.5 or 5.0 micron collector. You and your nose aqnd your lungs will be disappointed. There really are huge differences between these single stage units.

Paul

[Ben Bonif]

http://www.pennstateind.com/store/DC2000B.html?mybuyscid=5590862217

Owned 5 different DC's now and this one is the best of them to date IMO. If you want the cannister it's higher @ $399 but still around the budget you using.
I'd bag it and maybe get some ducting. Or just save the extra cash.

Click the link, read the reviews and page down to read Wood mags comments. Sucker by far the quietest of them also

Previous DC's --- Grizz, Jet, Delta, HF

[David Hostetler]

If you can get one in your budget, grab a Delta 50-760, they always come out on top of the single stage DC tests. Maybe retrofit it with a Wynn filter for some added filtration / air flow and you are set!

I have the HF 2HP DC, it works okay, but I have it fitted with the Wynn 35A, I am on the lookout for a Delta 50-760 in my price range and I guarantee the HF will get sold...

[Trent Whitehead]

I found the delta-50-760 at Tool King for $369.95 with FREE ground shipping. Anybody know of a better price?? How is Tool King to deal with?? I have never used them. Home Depot had a great online only sale but they are out of stock
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=100609563&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&PID=500871&cm_mmc=CJ-_-nextag-_-D25X-_-100609563&cpncode=21-61602371-2&AID=10368321&cj=true&srccode=cii_9324560&locStoreNum=863&marketID=18 (http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?jspStoreDir=hdus&catalogId=10053&productId=100609563&navFlow=3&keyword=50-760&langId=-1&searchRedirect=50-760&storeId=10051&endecaDataBean=com.homedepot.sa.el.wc.integration. endeca.EndecaDataBean%4064b2ac6f&ddkey=THDStoreFinder)



Thanks again for the info.

[Bill Blackburn]

Tool King good folk....

Personally I also am a +1 on the PSI above if you have the juice in shop. Super sweet unit and quiet as they come;)

[David Hostetler]

Try Home Depot. They list them for under $300.00 with free shipping for the Fathers Day specials...

[Trent Whitehead]

Try Home Depot. They list them for under $300.00 with free shipping for the Fathers Day specials...


I checked Home Depot, sold out.

[Dave Gaul]

The Delta 50-760's do review well, but the latest testing I've seen shows that the Delta doesn't quite support 6" ducting as well as the Grizzly 1029's nor the Penn State DC2000's...

http://www.deltaportercable.com/uploads/PCD/Documents/News/182DustCollectors.pdf

[Paul Wunder]

Trent,

Good price from Tool King. Grab it. As for 6" ducting that is really a non-issue. Most non-commercial woodworking machines come with 4" ports and the Delta has two 4" ports. In any event you will be using one machine at a time. You will get good results. Some day you may want to upgrade by adding a Thien separator to reduce the load on your filter. I don't have one
but lots of fellows on the Creek do and it is a simple upgrade.

Good luck.

Paul

[Charles Wiggins]

I only have about $400.00 I can spend, and right now I have no D.C. It will be attached to the tools as they are used, not a central system.

Any feedback or suggestions? I am just starting and do not have the cash for the cyclone systems.

If I were in your shoes I would drop $60 for an Oneida Dust Deputy (http://www.amazon.com/Oneida-AXD001004-The-Dust-Deputy/dp/B002JP315K) and another $100 or so for a decent shop vac and save the rest to put toward a full size cyclone system. Oneida sells the kits that include a bucket, mounting brackets and hose for $99 (http://dustdeputy.com/) but I can come up with those things cheaper than $40.

[Bill Blackburn]

The Delta 50-760's do review well, but the latest testing I've seen shows that the Delta doesn't quite support 6" ducting as well as the Grizzly 1029's nor the Penn State DC2000's...

http://www.deltaportercable.com/uploads/PCD/Documents/News/182DustCollectors.pdf



This is the first time I've seen this review - thanks Dave!
I concur on the hose on the PSI - it's to restrictive and decreases flow. Solution is quite simple - incorporate the Thien and the vertical mount setup as discussed on forum here last few days and add a lot more cfm and ease in clean up too with the trash can under it. I'm sure they all would benefit from it at that but the PSI even moreso as it's rated right there with the Grizz 1029Z for most flow even restricted as it is. Open it up and the Mazda ad comes to mind ...vrooooooooooooooooooom:D
I think with the better bags and being less noisy it continues to win my vote but that's to be expected to since I now run one. Or rather 2 of them in 2 shops.

Grizz is a nice unit too - they need to toss on better bags. Mine was an older 1029 and not the Z series which is better unit by all accounts. Based on my experience with many of what they tested I'd say they spot on mostly __ 'cept I'd reverse the Penn and Grizz for bags, noise and fact the small difference advantage to Grizz in cfm is eliminated in a vertical mount. Toss a coin I guess - they both winners in my book.

Edited - why or how is the Grizz rated on top of the Penn with all the "B"' ratings when Penn had A's?????? Another quirk - they have the Penn listed at same noise level as Grizz. Hello - I've tested mine and other magazines have also Penn rated about same as mine --- I show 69db at 5' away. They have said 68 to 71. This article says 80's - thats bull winkle poo poo. Used to have to turn up radio when I ran other dc's - don't have to with this one. Makes me wonder about the whole test now ....... to bad just a slight error makes one think all may be tainted. At least they put the Grizz there and not the HF I guess. Nothing against the HF at that but ......

[johnny means]

If I were in your shoes I would drop $60 for an Oneida Dust Deputy (http://www.amazon.com/Oneida-AXD001004-The-Dust-Deputy/dp/B002JP315K) and another $100 or so for a decent shop vac and save the rest to put toward a full size cyclone system. Oneida sells the kits that include a bucket, mounting brackets and hose for $99 (http://dustdeputy.com/) but I can come up with those things cheaper than $40.

But he needs a dust collector:confused: What good is a shop vac with an expensive toy mounted on it?

Trent, anything in that price range will do a fine job with 10 feet of hose hooked to a single machine. Don't get all hung up on a bunch of cfm and static pressure mumbo jumbo.

[Charles Wiggins]

But he needs a dust collector:confused: What good is a shop vac with an expensive toy mounted on it?

Trent, anything in that price range will do a fine job with 10 feet of hose hooked to a single machine. Don't get all hung up on a bunch of cfm and static pressure mumbo jumbo.

Have you ever seen a Dust Deputy or similar mini cyclone in action? It isn't a toy!

All I was suggesting is that he get by as inexpensively as possible until he can afford a full sized cyclone system. And "anything in that price range" will NOT do a fine job if you are really concerned about breathing wood dust. I suggest you spend some time reading on Bill Pentz's site, particularly Vendor Games (http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm#VendorGames) and Filter Detail (http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/equipment.cfm#FilterDetail).

[glenn bradley]

Any feedback or suggestions? I am just starting and do not have the cash for the cyclone systems.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Keep saving your money. A DC is where most of us cut corners, make mistakes and pay the price of having to go for a "do-over". At best it hurts financially, at worst it hurts your health. Everyone gets hung up on CFM. CFM, CFM; definitely important but, second to filter capability. The joy of aggressive airflow is offset by "sandblasting" the fine dust back into your shop air. Its what you can't see that'll get you.

Shoot for decimal points of a micron here. I ran a cheapo bag unit for only a few years. I upgraded the bag and upgraded to a cyclone but, it was apparently too late. I now have to wear a respirator even when hand sanding or I end up with a "stay-home-from-work" level headache/earache/sinus problem. Needless to say, I wear the respirator almost always.

I cannot stress the importance of your air quality enough. Even in the short term, take it seriously or it will seriously take you for a ride.

Excuse me while I fall off my soapbox :rolleyes:

[Rusty Eads]

Home Depot has the Delta 50-760 for $270 and change with free shipping if ordered online. Not sure if sold out or not, didn't say on their website