#7 Identification?

[Chris Vandiver]

I am just wondering if this #7 is a Bailey before Bailey was bought out by Stanley.
Does anyone happen to know?

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[David Weaver]

union by the lateral adjuster.

[Jim Koepke]

+1 on Union. The knob looks similar to a Union knob.

Any marking on the blade?

jim

[Chris Vandiver]

Thanks guys.
I don't actually have it my possesion yet. When I do I'll post more info.

Thanks,
Chris

[Prashun Patel]

The parts resemble a Sargent Fore Plane I have, but I didn't think they stamped "No 7" on the fronts like that. Plus, I think the Sargent's have a more rounded front...

[David Weaver]

Thanks guys.
I don't actually have it my possesion yet. When I do I'll post more info.

Thanks,
Chris

It'll be nearly identical in use to a stanley with the same frog design, actually, it's almost identical in general. The one I had didn't have a frog screw (no big deal), but I sold it a while ago.

[Joshua Clark]

I am just wondering if this #7 is a Bailey before Bailey was bought out by Stanley.
Does anyone happen to know?


In another forum we identified it as a B-Plane, a product of the Birmingham Plane company. They made tools in what is now Derby, CT.

Josh

[Jim Koepke]

In another forum we identified it as a B-Plane, a product of the Birmingham Plane company. They made tools in what is now Derby, CT.

Josh

A search on > Birmingham Plane < gives a link for Bob Kaune who has three of them listed. They are all at $198.95.

jim

[Jeff Burks]

There are a number of threads over at Old Tools Archive related to the Birmingham Plane Company history 1 (http://www.swingleydev.com/archive/get.php?message_id=117198&submit_thread=1#message), 2 (http://www.swingleydev.com/archive/get.php?message_id=65409&submit_thread=1#message), 3 (http://www.swingleydev.com/archive/get.php?message_id=152758&submit_thread=1#message).
Birmingham Plane Company->Derby Plane Manufacturing Co.->Union Plane->Stanley

413,300 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=lc5oAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&dq=Oct.%2022%2C%201889%20Plane&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false) Oct. 22, 1889 Mosher Patent that may be marked on the iron.

a few more for reference:
182,320 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=bt1cAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&dq=patent%3A182320&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false) Spokeshave
296,207 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=1hFlAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&dq=patent%3A296207&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false) Joiner's Plane
309,400 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=JXFJAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&dq=309%2C400&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false) Joiner's Plane
413,329 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=ss5oAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&dq=%22Birmingham%20Plane%22&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=%22Birmingham%20Plane%22&f=false) Block Plane
508,386 (http://www.google.com/patents?id=aTJRAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&dq=508%2C386&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false) Apparently this one was used by Derby Plane Co. (according to DATAMP)

And some additional links:
Brass City Records (http://www.brasscityrecords.com/toolworks/museum/birmingham/birmingham.html) and 2 (http://www.brasscityrecords.com/toolworks/museum/union%207/union%20x%207.html)
Superior Works (http://www.supertool.com/etcetera/deadends/hayworth.htm)
Plane Classics (http://www.planeclassics.com/batwingpage.htm)

and lastly Toolemera (http://toolemera.com/Manufacturers%20&%20Merchants/Mfg.%20abc/birminghamplane.html)

[Joshua Clark]

Birmingham made some interesting metallic planes, my favorite of which is the "Bat Wing" rabbet plane. One day I'd love to own one. Darrell Chapnick makes an awesome reproduction as well: http://www.planeclassics.com/batwingpage.htm I drive through Derby, past the old Birmingham Bank every day. I often wonder where the old factory was located.

As for value, the B-Plane bench planes aren't very common, but they aren't in high demand by collectors or users. Bob Kaune has some great tools for sale, but his prices are rather optimistic IMHO.

Josh

[Jeff Burks]

According to Walt the factory was located on Canal St in what is now Shelton. That would be just across the bridge from Birmingham Bank (http://historicbuildingsct.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/birmingham-national-bank.jpg) to the other side of the water. And that area certainly has the right type (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=canal+st+shelton&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=29.219963,70.576172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Canal+St+E,+Shelton,+Fairfield,+Connecticut+ 06484&ll=41.316948,-73.091848&spn=0.000852,0.002154&z=19&layer=c&cbll=41.317019,-73.091922&panoid=iddpmd27hLnB8gMAsd1gOQ&cbp=12,29.648472000000027,,0,0&photoid=po-15862900) of buildings.

[Joshua Clark]

Hah! That's awesome! I drive right by it on my way to and from work. I figured it would have been located right on the river to harness the power of the Housatonic to drive the machines. While that picture looks bleak, the other side of the street is undergoing a renovation and restoration. The buildings look a lot better and there's a great farmer's market there in the summer.

Now that I've driven the thread waaay off topic, I'm calling it a night :)

Josh

[Chris Vandiver]

Thanks to all for the great information. Very informative.

Chris