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Jim Becker
11-07-2004, 10:24 PM
I was very happy to see Geoffery Noden had his great "Adjust-a-bench (http://www.adjustabench.com/)" at the Woodworks show this weekend as it's been in my thoughts for some time. I've been using a Sojberg bench for a number of years and it's done the job...but it's limited size and fixed height often made it less-than-desirable for things like assembly. One solution was to build an assembly table; probably a torsion box and several supports to vary the height. But while my shop is comfortable, it is not large enough to support both the Sojberg bench and an assembly table concurrently, particularly if I wanted to use certain tools.

Well, I struck a "stellar deal" with Geoffery at the show on a complete Adjust-a-bench setup, including a 29" x 64" x 2 1/4" maple benchtop. The deal was so painful to him that I readily agreed to do a full review when time permits... :D Ah, neogtiation...;) (Unfortunately, Lee Valley wasn't negotiating on the price of the medium shoulder plane, other than free shipping, but I bought that anyway...:p )

The unique feature of this system is that the height of the 2" thick bench can be quickly and easily adjusted between about 28" to about 45" hight. Put it down low for assembly work, at normal height for general woodworking and up high for detail work, such as dovetails and carving where you want to stand erect and comfortable. Since the unit sits fully on the floor when not being mobile, it's pretty much rock-solid, too.

I will be adding a side vice and end vice to the unit as soon as I get time and will post "real" photos of the unit in this thread once it's assembled. In the mean time, here's a shot I scarfed and modified from their website that illustrates the minimum and maximum height with a typical work bench top.

Tom LaRussa
11-07-2004, 10:30 PM
The unique feature of this system is that the height of the 2" thick bench can be quickly and easily adjusted between about 28" to about 45" high. Put it down low for assembly work, at normal height for general woodworking and up high for detail work, such as dovetails and carving where you want to stand erect and comfortable.
45" high!? :eek:

Only way I could work at a 45" high bench would be standing on a step ladder!

But seriously, it would be better if it came down some more. Heck, my stand-up-and-work bench is only about 32" high.

Cool looking system though.

Jim Becker
11-07-2004, 10:37 PM
Yes, Tom, a little lower would have been nice, but I think that this is a fair compromise and took that into consideration while I thought about it. 45" isn't as high as you might think...the spindle height on my lathe is set to 46". (It was at 48", but was hard for the occasional student to work with that high) It will be rare that I would go that high, but could see it for some detail work that I wanted my eyes and hands in a comfortable position without bending my back substantially. According to Geoffery, he often raises it up pretty high when hand cutting dovetails to avoid a bent back. But just because you "can" doesn't mean you have to. I think I'll enjoy this bench once I get it configured with vices, dogs, etc...which will be a little woodworking activity in itself. I'm thinking about the Veritas Twin Screw for an end vice, but haven't started shopping for those things yet, since I only made the decision to buy the system yesterday.

Rich Konopka
11-08-2004, 7:38 AM
Outstanding !! I am glad you posted this. I do not have a real bench and I really wanted something with mobility. I look foward to your review. Any idea on how nuch this weighs?

Thanks Jim !!

Steve Jenkins
11-08-2004, 8:12 AM
Looks like Christmas came early this year. That's a good looking bench Jim. It will allow a lot of versatility easily.
I managed my adjustable height bench by using a torsion box for the top and setting it on sawhorses or paint buckets or whatever it takes to get the height I need. It's not any good for handplaning though since it tends to slide around.

John Miliunas
11-08-2004, 8:57 AM
Congrats on the bench AND plane! (Ahhh, where's the pic(s) of the plane?! :confused: :eek: :) :cool: Looks like that will be a very functional piece. BUT, now that you mention Sojberg, how do you like it? I see where Woodcraft has the 66" (x19) top on sale this month and I'm seriously considering it. I already have a huge table, mainly for "slop" work, as well as a lot of counter space, but am really interested in having a smaller, stand-alone bench for smaller assemblies and possibly expanding into doing some simple Neander :eek: work. I'm tired of using my TS outfeed for the dead flat area needed for smaller assemblies. Appreciate any feedback. :) :cool:

Frank Pellow
11-08-2004, 9:04 AM
Congratulations Jim.

A height adjustable bench is a good concept. I didn't know that they were commercially available. That's just one of the many many things that I have learned at Saw Mill Creek. :)

Jim Becker
11-08-2004, 9:07 AM
BUT, now that you mention Sojberg, how do you like it? I see where Woodcraft has the 66" (x19) top on sale this month and I'm seriously considering it.
John, the plane has a 3-4 week delivery time, so no pics until it ships...so many folks have been buying them that the stock is way behind the orders. Sam from Mini Max also ordered one...

The Sojberg bench is a nice bench, well built and functional. But it's not heavy enough for "real" Neander work without a sturdy base to support it. I built the base that they supply the plans for with the table top. It's functional, but needs more weight and heft...2x material is also prone to racking over time if you really start to work it hard with the hand tools. I haven't experienced that, but I don't have any "usable" planes over my L-L low-angle block plane. Were I building the bench again, I'd likely make a heavier cabinet style base rather than the trestle design. The shelf and drawer assembly I did make really stiffened it up, but not as much as a full cabinet would do.


Any idea on how nuch this weighs?
I cannot pick up the top myself more than about an inch. The base probably weighs about hundred pounds and it will be easy to add ballast between the stretchers if I need to do so. It's very stiff and doesn't rack from what I can see so far.

Tom LaRussa
11-08-2004, 9:09 AM
45" isn't as high as you might think...the spindle height on my lathe is set to 46".
Oh I know that. When I said 45" is high, I meant for me. But then if the whole world was scaled to my height most of you guys would be bumping into the tops of doorways all the time, and some of the taller folks would scrape ceilings with their heads. :(

Michael Stafford
11-08-2004, 9:28 AM
Looks like a very versatile bench. Did I miss something or did you not tell us how this bench is adjusted in height? Is it ratcheted up, I see some notches on the end in the pictures? How heavy is it? Stable?

Alan Turner
11-08-2004, 9:42 AM
Jim,
Good score! I would have one in a heartbeat if my shop size permitted a second bench. And, even without room, I am considering it. He also has a mobility kit, which if memory serves, is $125.
oWere I doing one, I would go with the legs, but build my own bench top. I prefer a traditional tail vise, and installing one on a premade top would be aaabout as much work as making one from scratch. Also, my preference is for a tool tray, with the rail behind it being structural.
As to the stretcher vs. the cabinet style -- Shaker -- base, I really like an open base, esp for ease of clamping. A trestle can be very stiff. My legs are 3 x 3, and stretchers 2.6, all hard maple. The joint is a captured 1/2" x 6" bolt with square nut. I prefer this to the threaded rod since it is my feeling that the threaded rod, esp. in 3/8", stretches over time. But, like most things, I am probably wrong about this.
Enjoy your new toy.
Alan

Jim Becker
11-08-2004, 9:44 AM
Looks like a very versatile bench. Did I miss something or did you not tell us how this bench is adjusted in height? Is it ratcheted up, I see some notches on the end in the pictures? How heavy is it? Stable?
Yes, it ratchets up...you lift one end at a time. Reducing height is done by using a foot pedal to release the ratchet and lower the end in the same manner. Other questions were already addressed as best I can.

Lloyd Robins
11-08-2004, 9:48 AM
I have seen the bench demonstrated, and it is easily adjusted. As I remember you step on the release and lift or lower that end. It does have notches that engage very securely when the you step off of the release. The wheels can be adjusted so that the bench is can be adjusted between the notch heights. Congrats, Jim, if I don't try a Japanese style trestle bench, then I will be following your example when WoodWorks get to my neck of the woods in February.

Robert Tarr
11-08-2004, 9:53 AM
Jim,

Good haul on the bench and plane! First you start going to hand tool stores in NYC and now you are buying hand tools at woodworking shows and an improved bench.....before you know it, you will have a full set of Hollows and Rounds!

I am around today and tomorrow with a light schedule, if you need a hand throwing that top around. I can also bring up an old Stanley #7 if you want to chase the rounded front away for a face vice.

I talked to Geoffrey again, and I think I am going to pick up a set of un-powder coated legs from him (I am painting everything in my shop Hugger Orange(old car/race guys will know the color)). I really like the design and am well and truly impressed with the design and stiffness of his system. I like the idea of a saw bench and Dovetail bench all in one.

Have fun,

Robert

Jim Becker
11-08-2004, 9:53 AM
Good score! I would have one in a heartbeat if my shop size permitted a second bench. And, even without room, I am considering it. He also has a mobility kit, which if memory serves, is $125.
oWere I doing one, I would go with the legs, but build my own bench top. I prefer a traditional tail vise, and installing one on a premade top would be aaabout as much work as making one from scratch. Also, my preference is for a tool tray, with the rail behind it being structural.
Given time, I would have considered building my own top, but this is a good compromise...the slab is just a starting point. It will get aprons, vices, dog holes, etc., and will be all that I need. Nothing shabby about a 2 1/4" thick slab of maple, even if it's finger jointed and has a few small defects. They will be sanded/planed away in the transformation, anyway. I have to remove the radiused edges to do the aprons...'would have prefered to just flip it over and start from there, but the top is already drilled for the lag bolts used for mounting it to the base since this was one of the benches used for the hand tool demos at the show. BTW, I did get the mobility casters...it was part of the "painful negotiation" I mentioned above...:D

For vices, I'm likely to go with the Veritas non-racking full width end vice setup which makes it useful for carcass clamping as well as Neander work.

Michael Stafford
11-08-2004, 9:54 AM
I was curious if the bench could be easily height adjusted with a bench top lathe attached. Would eliminate some of the height disparity problems you encounter at woodturning classes. Maybe no need for boxes to stand on...

Jim Becker
11-08-2004, 10:22 AM
Mike, it could be, but you would be lifting the weight of both the benchtop you use and the tool. If you can handle that...no problem. (I wouldn't do it with the big heavy slab I'm using, but a smaller benchtop would work fine) A mini isn't all that heavy, so for most folks it wouldn't be much of a burden. And this is a nice example of a practical use...everyone has different "ideal" heights for tools and benches. (And sometimes they change based on what you are doing)

Mark Singer
11-08-2004, 11:18 AM
Jim,

The Veritas twin screw would work very well on this great bench and maybe a Record on the front...

Jim Becker
11-08-2004, 11:21 AM
The Veritas twin screw would work very well on this great bench and maybe a Record on the front...
I agree, although Records are hard to come by these days...Lee Valley has some nice face vice choices that I'll probably end up picking from. I'm somewhat kicking myself for not picking up a Record when they were blowing them out awhile back! :o

Mark Singer
11-08-2004, 11:39 AM
the Jorgensen and Wilton are both good and a patternmakers is nice...the copies are less$

Jim Becker
11-08-2004, 10:02 PM
I took some time tonight to get the bench reassembled in the shop. While there is work to do with it relative to the vices, at least it's usable in the mean time as a nice, big work surface.

Kelly C. Hanna
11-08-2004, 11:11 PM
Congrats on the new goodies Jim! The bench is a great idea. Vices huh? Nothing illegal I hope (sorry couldn't resist :D).

Jim Becker
11-09-2004, 9:19 AM
Congrats Vices huh? Nothing illegal I hope (sorry couldn't resist ).
Does being a dirty old man count as a vice?? Or is that just a personal quality?

Kelly C. Hanna
11-09-2004, 9:43 AM
Personal quality of course!!:D:D:D The bench looks right at home in your shop.

John Miliunas
11-09-2004, 10:59 AM
Careful Jim...Too many more new toys in there, and you ain't a' gonna' have room to move, much less assemble anything! :eek: Nice bench! Can't wait to see it with all the goodies on it. :) :cool:

Mark J Bachler
11-09-2004, 11:38 AM
I picked up a real heavy-duty drafting table that I use for an assembly bench. For heavy casework I drop it all the way down where the loose side is supported by a 2 x 4 to keep everything flat & level. For anything else that I want to raise up, I just step on the foot release & let the big ol' springs lift the table. It's surprisingly stable when in the up position; I can stand on it. It's 40" x 72" and the best part: It was free!!!

Jim Becker
11-09-2004, 12:52 PM
Just as an update to this thread, I ordered a side vice from Lee Valley to start as well as their dog system. I'm going to set the bench up that way for the time being and hold off on the end vise situation until I see what my needs really are in that respect. (Not to mention that I've reached my limit at the moment on this project...) I will post futher pictures once I start reconfiguring for vices, etc.

Rich Konopka
11-09-2004, 1:09 PM
(Not to mention that I've reached my limit at the moment on this project...)

I starting to wonder if you were superman and made of money
:D :p :D

Jim Becker
11-09-2004, 1:13 PM
I starting to wonder if you were superman and made of money
Some of my fiscal year end compensation went to tools. The rest went to the new bay windows so Dr. SWMBO doesn't have to pay for all of it as well as savings! (She handles the line; I cover the mortgage)

Keith Christopher
11-09-2004, 1:35 PM
so what was the damage on this beast ? Asking for retail price. I know you got a deal. :)

Jim Becker
11-09-2004, 3:05 PM
Keith...pricing information is on the Adjust-a-bench web site linked to in the first post of this thread.

Kevin Guarnotta
12-05-2012, 9:24 AM
Hi Jim,
I'm new to SMC, and just found this thread. I'm planning on building a workbench soon, and was wondering about the adjust-a-bench base. Now that you have had it for a few years, what do you think? Is it sturdy enough for manual work? ie planing? I have been a power tool guy for quite a while, and am interested in learning hand tools. So I'm starting to add stuff to my shop to accomodate that.

Lloyd Robins
12-20-2012, 11:54 PM
Mine works great! It has been standing idle for a couple of years, but I am not trying to put it back into service. It is heavy enough to be steady while planing and yet can still be moved if necessary. I also use it as an extention for my saw on long pieces of lumber or plywood. The adjustable height really helps.

richard poitras
12-21-2012, 12:13 PM
Hi Jim,
I'm new to SMC, and just found this thread. I'm planning on building a workbench soon, and was wondering about the adjust-a-bench base. Now that you have had it for a few years, what do you think? Is it sturdy enough for manual work? ie planing? I have been a power tool guy for quite a while, and am interested in learning hand tools. So I'm starting to add stuff to my shop to accomodate that.



I have not had mine to long but really like it so far.....
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?195621-Adjustable-Work-Bench-Project-Done…

Jim Becker
12-21-2012, 9:28 PM
Hi Jim,
I'm new to SMC, and just found this thread. I'm planning on building a workbench soon, and was wondering about the adjust-a-bench base. Now that you have had it for a few years, what do you think? Is it sturdy enough for manual work? ie planing? I have been a power tool guy for quite a while, and am interested in learning hand tools. So I'm starting to add stuff to my shop to accomodate that.
I remain very pleased with my Adjust-a-Bench investment. And yes, it's very sturdy. Doesn't move around at all.

I will note that I sold off the original mobility base/casters early-on as 1) I don't really move it around and 2) kept knocking my ankles into them. I replaced the casters with two "conventional" looking bench feet made from recycled doug-fir and then shimmed everything level. (the floor in my shop slopes to the front because it was originally built as a garage building by the previous owners) There is likely another thread here somewhere that shows those "feet"...