Plane ID help

[Kirk Amidon]

I came across this plane, which is a #5C plane. It appears to be a Stanley, but the only identification marks on it are on the lever cap, and the blade itself.

I am new to the whole plane scene, but it appears to be a well (ab)used bedrock #5, based on the frog.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/nodima/Misc/IMG_6948.jpg

The front knob is missing,
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/nodima/Misc/IMG_6947.jpg

and the tote was busted up pretty good, so the one currently on it is a replacement. There is a forward adjuster screw, and the adjuster knob is the smaller variety.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/nodima/Misc/IMG_6946.jpg

Two views of the Frog
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/nodima/Misc/IMG_6943.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/nodima/Misc/IMG_6942.jpg

The blade
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/nodima/Misc/IMG_6944.jpg

Here is a picture of all the pieces, where the damage to the sides of the front is apparent.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/nodima/Misc/IMG_6938.jpg

The sole - the mouth is actually square and even despite what this picture shows
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/nodima/Misc/IMG_6945.jpg

The plane cleaned up pretty nicely, and actually cut some nice shavings (no pics).

So, what do I have?

Thanks

Kirk

[Jonathan McCullough]

Looks like a 605C to me. Other than the chips on the front/sides and the missing front tote, looks like a good user to me. Check out Rexmill.com on how to tune it up and make it part of your repertoire.

[Jim Koepke]

The lateral adjuster looks wrong for a Stanley. If it is a Stanley, it should have Stanley stamped into it.
The early Bedrocks did not have a ring around the knob mount. I am not sure, but I do not think there was a raised area with the screw mounted frogs.
There would also be a patent date cast behind the frog on the round top Bedrocks.

I am not sure about these details on planes Stanley made for Keen Kutter and Winchester.

jim

[Jonathan McCullough]

Keen Kutter and Winchester bedrock types were made by Stanley btw. The Keen Kutters of this variety usually have a "K" designation, like "K-605" or whatnot. There was another hardware place that had some made like this but the name slips my mind.

[Jim Koepke]

Keen Kutter and Winchester bedrock types were made by Stanley btw. The Keen Kutters of this variety usually have a "K" designation, like "K-605" or whatnot. There was another hardware place that had some made like this but the name slips my mind.

I knew Stanley made for Keen Kutter, which was a brand of the Simmons Hardware Company, Winchester and others. I also knew they bought Union Plane Company. The twist on the lateral adjuster is how Union did theirs, but the disk was above the rivet on the one example that I owned. That is something that could have been changed over time.

Interesting, a look at Bob Kaune's site shows a Keen Kutter frog with the twisted lateral adjuster:

http://www.antique-used-tools.com/brkkcompare.htm

jim

[Kirk Amidon]

Thanks for the information - it does appear to have the body and frog of a Keen Kutter, perhaps with a replacement cap iron and blade. Just thought it strange there were no markings on the sole to speak of.

Kirk

[James Taglienti]

Thats got to be a Keen Kutter. Either someone filed the letters off of it or they rotted away. The only bed rock style frog that I know of with a twisted lateral is a keen kutter. I think the only two correct parts on the plane are the body and frog. Who cares, that should make an awesome user. My favorite #5 is an early 605 that someone filed the numbers off of.