PC vs Altendorf at Dallas BBQ 2004

[Waymon Campbell]

Folks don't try this at home. It's a Porter Cable 7 1/4" CS vs. an Altendorf Slider. And the winner is??? No contest...the Altendorf consumed the PC base plate like nobody's business. It sure beats using a block plane to trim that PC base plate :D :D .

[Dennis Peacock]

Way to go Waymon....but at least we:

Cut the PC Down to Size!!!! :p :eek: :D

[Michael Stafford]

yes, brothers and sisters I am very concerned that besides fellowship and salsa and queso dip that there may have been adult beverages being consumed at this picnic. I could be wrong but I can think of no other reason to feed a hapless PC circular saw to a great big Altendorf slider. :eek: I fear that adult beverages are responsible for this inhumane torture of an otherwise innocent tool. The only other possible explanation is some of you boys have watched too many episodes of Tim Taylor's Tooltime... arrh, arrh, arrh, more power :D

[Todd Burch]

I did not personally witness this event, but modifying a modern day tool like this makes PERFECT sense.

WHY haven't manufacturers figured out that we have to compensate for these idiotic, arbitrary, stupid offset distances for base plates? I mean, why can't they have the edge of the baseplate be exactly 1" or 1.5" from the blade? (At least one side of the blade!!) NOOOO, they have to have it 1.312432" from the blade. How stupid is that?

Same way with router base plates, jig saw foot plates, etc.

It's the same way with most hardware clearances. For example, the KV 4X4 flipper doors slides, you have to measure 4.17" or something like that for mounting. I don't even think it is a full multiple in metric. Duh!!!

Ask and I'll tell you how I REALLY feel...

Actually, I need to be fair to DeWalt. My 12" CMS has a table that is 4" tall. THANK YOU DeWalt!!

Todd

[Betsy Yocum]

I did not personally witness this event, but modifying a modern day tool like this makes PERFECT sense.

WHY haven't manufacturers figured out that we have to compensate for these idiotic, arbitrary, stupid offset distances for base plates? I mean, why can't they have the edge of the baseplate be exactly 1" or 1.5" from the blade? (At least one side of the blade!!) NOOOO, they have to have it 1.312432" from the blade. How stupid is that?

Same way with router base plates, jig saw foot plates, etc.

It's the same way with most hardware clearances. For example, the KV 4X4 flipper doors slides, you have to measure 4.17" or something like that for mounting. I don't even think it is a full multiple in metric. Duh!!!

Ask and I'll tell you how I REALLY feel...

Actually, I need to be fair to DeWalt. My 12" CMS has a table that is 4" tall. THANK YOU DeWalt!!

Todd
Ok Todd - do tell us how you really feel.!!!! ;) ;)

[Jack Diemer]

I totally agree, My circular saw is 4 3/8 of an inch over. Why not 4 inches or 5 inches. Even my tape measure is exactly 3 inches. (mine and everyone elses).

[Paul B. Cresti]

Steve,
I hope you raised the scoring blade to make sure you got a "splinter" free cut!!

[Chris Padilla]

My Skil 77 Mag worm-drive is 1 1/2" and 3 5/8". You guys can make spacer blocks of your saw's exact widths on both sides of the blade. It is pretty simple if you think about it. I happen to have a square whose long side is 1 1/2" wide.... :p

[Steve Jenkins]

The reason we did this is that we were using the "Smart Base" from Eureka Zone and the saw base sits down inside a recess. The saw base was too wide on one side to properly line up in the smart base so I just trimmed it a bit to fit. It did not affect the accuracy or usefulness of the saw on its own Steve

[Dino Makropoulos]

The reason we did this is that we were using the "Smart Base" from Eureka Zone and the saw base sits down inside a recess. The saw base was too wide on one side to properly line up in the smart base so I just trimmed it a bit to fit. It did not affect the accuracy or usefulness of the saw on its own Steve
Hi Steve.
Can I use this pictures in our intruction manual? :D :D :D
If I knew you have this (legend) i will have send you another Smart Base without the right alignment rib. You still have the front rib and you only need one. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Any way, look's like you solve few problems by cutting the saw base.
A new life to a legend and the same time we have new photo directions in case someone disputes the universal feature of the Smart Base.
Thank God the saw was not a left bladed. :D :D :D
See you in Texas.
YCF Dino

[Steve Jenkins]

Sure Dino, as far as I'm concerned you can use the picture(s) But they really belong to Waymon so I guess it's up to him. The original thought was to remove the rib on that side of the smart base but I thought it would be easier to just trim up the saw base. Now I know that if you are given the saw model you will remove the rib if necessary before shipping. That takes all the fun out of it though.
I will post some thoughts on how the base and rail system works in a day or two. Steve

[Dino Makropoulos]

Sure Dino, as far as I'm concerned you can use the picture(s) But they really belong to Waymon so I guess it's up to him. The original thought was to remove the rib on that side of the smart base but I thought it would be easier to just trim up the saw base. Now I know that if you are given the saw model you will remove the rib if necessary before shipping. That takes all the fun out of it though.
I will post some thoughts on how the base and rail system works in a day or two. Steve



Always use the word "impossible" with extreme caution :)
Don't you just love that moment? And the funny thing is that we become so complicated that simplicity is not EZ to come by.
Your line of thought Steve reminds me of Alexander the Great.
do you know the story with the GORDIAN KNOT?
YCF Dino

[Kelly C. Hanna]

Thanks for posting the pics....I was an eye witness to the process and I have to hand it to Steve for having NO FEAR!

As far the left blade comment, no way will my PC ever see one of those guides. After watching the three ring circus to get it to work with a right blade, I'll be investing in the PSI rails for my shop.

[Dino Makropoulos]

Thanks for posting the pics....I was an eye witness to the process and I have to hand it to Steve for having NO FEAR!

As far the left blade comment, no way will my PC ever see one of those guides. After watching the three ring circus to get it to work with a right blade, I'll be investing in the PSI rails for my shop.

Kelly.
Give your saw to Steve.
He make it Right for you :D :D
What is PSI? Pressure per square inch?
Is that a new Air driven guide system like the remote control guide system of Maffel? Have you seen the one that unrolls? (flexible?)
YCF Dino

[Waymon Campbell]

Sure Dino, as far as I'm concerned you can use the picture(s) But they really belong to Waymon so I guess it's up to him.

Dino - Feel free to use any pix I shot. Sorry you were unable to attend...maybe next year!

[Kelly C. Hanna]

Penn (http://www.pennstateind.com) State Industries

[Dino Makropoulos]

Dino - Feel free to use any pix I shot. Sorry you were unable to attend...maybe next year!

Thanks Waymon.
For Sure Next Year. This time I was forced to stay behind.
Nice camera. I hope you get some more shots while Steve is using the Legend on the Legend to be. :cool:

Good Job On the FPP.
If you want to run more auctions let me know.
Thanks Waymon
YCF Dino

[Steve Jenkins]

My Skil 77 Mag worm-drive is 1 1/2" and 3 5/8". You guys can make spacer blocks of your saw's exact widths on both sides of the blade. It is pretty simple if you think about it. I happen to have a square whose long side is 1 1/2" wide.... :p

The only problem with spacer blocks is having to keep track of them. If we can't find pencils that we use every 5 minutes how are we suposed to find blocks that we use every once in a while. For those with a nice aluminum base on their saws I suggest just trimming it to a good number. Bring it over I'll be glad to help out.

[Chris Padilla]

Put a hole in 'em and hang 'em on the wall! :) I see all kinds of crap hanging in your shop, Steve, so I understand your concern! ;)

[Steve Jenkins]

Put a hole in 'em and hang 'em on the wall! :) I see all kinds of crap hanging in your shop, Steve, so I understand your concern! ;)

Aww c'mon Chris that isn't crap hanging on the walls I keep all the crap in the corners and on the shelves. All the stuff hanging are perfectly good templates that I made and used once 6-8 years ago or more.:>)

[Dino Makropoulos]

The only problem with spacer blocks is having to keep track of them. If we can't find pencils that we use every 5 minutes how are we suposed to find blocks that we use every once in a while. For those with a nice aluminum base on their saws I suggest just trimming it to a good number. Bring it over I'll be glad to help out.

And for those with left bladed saws??? :confused:
What you think Steve? Can you just cut the motor and move the blade to the right side? We're losing customers here. :(
We better do something before the PSI-oulians take over.
Kelly. If you turn the Smart base around, you don't have to modified your saw. No spacers no Steve. You only lose the AC-1 and AC-2. You still have the EAC-1 for your KEEP Side.
Sorry Steve.
YCF Dino

[Jason Roehl]

I did not personally witness this event, but modifying a modern day tool like this makes PERFECT sense.

WHY haven't manufacturers figured out that we have to compensate for these idiotic, arbitrary, stupid offset distances for base plates? I mean, why can't they have the edge of the baseplate be exactly 1" or 1.5" from the blade? (At least one side of the blade!!) NOOOO, they have to have it 1.312432" from the blade. How stupid is that?

Same way with router base plates, jig saw foot plates, etc.

It's the same way with most hardware clearances. For example, the KV 4X4 flipper doors slides, you have to measure 4.17" or something like that for mounting. I don't even think it is a full multiple in metric. Duh!!!

Ask and I'll tell you how I REALLY feel...

Actually, I need to be fair to DeWalt. My 12" CMS has a table that is 4" tall. THANK YOU DeWalt!!

Todd

Yes...kudos to DeWalt. My former (stolen) DW circular saw had 1.5" of baseplate on one side of the plate, and 5.5"(2x6 width) on the other. Only problem is that the plate was black and marked up whatever you were cutting. Oh, and my DW708 SCMS has a table height of 3.5" (2x4 width). Maybe Mr. Peacock can weigh in on this...I think he mentioned that he has a DeWalt circular saw.

Nice pic BTW, Todd. Looks much better than your last avatar. :D

[Steve Clardy]

My Pc sit right down on the eureka base. Different model # saw.
Dennis-Steve. So your eureka base had a lip on all four sides?
My eureka base has only a lip on the front and right side, right handed saw.
I spent about 30 minutes drilling the holes and getting it bolted on.
I didn't use the sticky tape as I felt like I might want to remove it, which I did yesterday to cut some stair stringers.
Steve:)