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Bill HammerII
02-01-2010, 10:03 PM
In my day job I handle trim and built-ins. I do a lot of different stuff and this weekend was no different. During a complex 3 piece crown (another story about ceilings 6” off plane, major scribing and spring angle changes every piece it seemed) the Architect remarked that matching the existing railing (Made around the turn of the century) was going to cost x amount and take a huge amount of time. Not being one to miss a cash income I offered to match the rail for 200 bucks less and beat the lead-time by 3 weeks. Yes I whined about the rail when hand scraping but after mounting the rail I thought I was headed down hill. The pickets were ¾” x 1 1/8” and I was ripping them from rough sawn oak air dried for a zillion years. I had these off cuts from a pile I bought a few months ago that were longer then my storage so I cut a few down to size and stacked the off cuts (roughly 42” long)

Now to take rough stock down the plan was to cut a straight line, use that to cut the wide pieces down to size some more (most of this stuff is from 10 ½” to 14”) and work around the any bad wood. So I cut and cut and cut and cut and cut some more until I had a good sized pile of wood that was a little over 7/8” thick and ranged from 2” to 2 1/8” thick. The next step was to cut one side down with another straight side. Not a bad task with a 40” strip of oak against an 8 ft straight fence. In the course of doing this I usually have someone help catching as I feed wood through the table saw. During this I was alone and had to reach over the saw to grab the cut piece while the scrap fell to the floor. Now I’m the first to admit that even as old as I am I scared of my power tools and yes I’m ok with that. I use custom push sticks, think before each cut and generally keep my hands, fingers and body the hell away from moving parts when operating machinery. That so far has kept all my parts attached to me and allowed me to return home to the wife at the end of the day without a side trip to have parts sewn back on.

I’m being of so careful at the jobsite by myself even killing the saw when I start ripping a new piece of wood while I study the piece looking for issues or such that might offer a nasty surprise in the middle of a cut. I figure an on/off switch is cheaper then finding a problem in the middle of a cut. I even remind myself that repetitive cuts are the ones that cause problems as you relax in the middle of something like cutting 50 zillion pickets. So every cut is approached just like it’s the first one. Of course even with all your careful planning you can’t just account for Murphy. Like when he showed up and I dropped one of those pieces of oak 40” long 7/8” of an inch thick and 1 ¾” wide into the running table saw blade.

Now in ones life there are life changing events and then there are life changing events and dropping that chunk of wood into a spinning 10” saw blade was a life changing events. I don’t think the human mind can follow the progress as a chunk of matter is accelerated past the speed of light and using some sort of string theory god partial science to just materialize suddenly sticking out of a door. Ok so it was a hollow core door but a piece of wood just appearing, sticking out of a door is pretty mind blowing event in my world. But the cause and its effect was one and same as one moment in time the wood is falling from my hand and the exact same moment it appears in the door. Of course when one drops a chuck of wood into a spinning blade one just doesn’t stand still. No, it’s sort of a dance as your middle aged body attempts to leap back while raising your hands over your head. During this of course your heart jumps into your throat and your body’s responding to age old conditioning produces huge amount of drugs that it dumps into your body as you prepare to kill a saber tooth tiger or in this case dodge a speeding chuck of wood. Of course a little voice somewhere in the back of your head is telling that it’s all to late and someone, sometime, might find your body pinned to the wall by said chunk of wood. With this little voice are pictures of your impaled body hanging from the wall being plastered all over the net as a warning to all about just how stupid people can be by allowing themselves to be impaled by a piece of wood. On the up side my 15 minutes of fame in death could become a great urban myth and no greater source then the mighty Myth Busters could someday attempt to recreate the accident and my fate is placed on the shelf as being busted.

So let recap for a minute, I have dropped a chunk of hardwood into the running table saw blade. The blade caught the chunk and sent it traveling a zillion miles an hour into a hollow core door. During the drop and shoot I perform a sort of funky chicken dance. Yup that about covers up to the point of where the homeowners and architect walk through the door as I’m reaching down to switch off the saw. I’m sure the story is different from their point of view but we all agree that a chuck of wood suddenly showing up in the door isn’t a good thing. So anybody got a good deal on a 30” slab so I can replace a door?








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Cameron Reddy
02-01-2010, 10:19 PM
What a story! Funny and scary!

Tullie Templet
02-01-2010, 10:23 PM
Must admit I had to chuckle a bit after I read you were OK. Glad it turned out OK for you. You have to repair a door but hey, that's better than repairing you.

David Peterson MN
02-01-2010, 11:34 PM
I did the same thing last night. :eek: I dropped a 4" piece of maple into the PM66 blade. It had a 45 degree angle on the end. It then proceeded to shoot back at me and hit me in the face about a 1/2 inch below my lip. Did I ever bleed!!! I was sure a hospital trip was on the agenda....but fortunately the cut wasn't quite deep enough to require stitches. I will now put the sharkguard back on after I have to take it off for a cut.

I am glad that all got hurt in your case was a door.

Mike Cruz
02-01-2010, 11:55 PM
Bill, glad to hear you are not injured. These toys we are all so fascinated with really do have some umph to them.

The entire time I was reading your post, I was trying to concentrate on your story but all I could do is picture what happened to me a couple of months ago.

I was cutting a piece of lacewood...about 1" x 2 1/2" by 8" in half (crosscut). The 1/2 to the left of the blade caught the blade and sent it right at my face. Before I knew what happened, WHAM right under my chin! A CORNER hit me and not only cut me pretty nicely, but gave me a heck of a bruise. I bit my tounge and had about 6 little red spots on the tip of my tongue.

I'm alright, but I thought about how lucky I was. Yes I was wearing eye protection, but that could have hit ANYWHERE else on my face and caused huge damage. It could also have hit my Adam's Apple and kept me from being able to breathe...scary.

This wasn't meant as a hijack...just to let you know you aren't alone. Welcome to the TS lucky club... unless you joined before :rolleyes:.

Also, at my last job, we used to yell "Arrows!" whenever we were cutting anything that would leave a thin strip on the TS because it would shoot them across the room like, well, arrows.

Okay, I can't believe it hasn't started yet, but let it begin. What you ask? All the questions about how all these things could happen with TS gaurds in place...:rolleyes:

Don Morris
02-02-2010, 12:55 AM
Bill,

I read every one of these posts just to remind me. Soooo glad you weren't in the way of the wood. Within 10mins of putting my first saw together I had my first kickback. Put a beautiful black, blue, yellow, orange, etc. colored area near you know what. Since then, I wear a heavy shop apron, understand what causes kickback (didn't then), agree with your comments about respecting your moving tools, and approach my TS with the utmost respect. I use, a splitter, Grrr-Rippers, Grip-tites, variety of push sticks, and I still worry. Thanks for the reminder we work in a real dangerous environment. Your description was great! Hanging a hollow core door is easy, filling a hole in a body can be very costly.

Mike Heidrick
02-02-2010, 7:54 AM
I am also in the club but alas also in the door protecting club. Welcome.

I took a 12" square 3/4" ply piece to the gut in 2006. Cut/Lacerated me through my shirt (as in it pushed my shirt into me). It flipped the wood up and sent it flying/spinning on an angle like a frisbee on edge. Had a mark for 6 moths. Hit me like a missle and knocked the wind out of me kinda. Had it hit my ribs I bet it would have broken/bruised them.

That is the day I learned to stand out of the blade path more effectively and learned how to install a splitter and leave it there. Love the riving knife on the sawstop too.

Dave Gaul
02-02-2010, 8:35 AM
Wow Bill... what a close call! Glad to hear you made it out ok!

I was just thinking about things like this when ripping on my new R4511, which is the most powerful saw I've yet to use! (first saw bigger than a table top!)

Your story will definitely come to mind when thinking about TS safety!

Robert Reece
02-02-2010, 9:09 AM
Bill - Glad you are ok. That was a close call.

However - my question is why is a house that is matching trim and doing big crown moulding and all that - why does this house have hollow core doors???? I'd take the opportunity to suggest that maybe real wood doors are in order.

Aaron Wingert
02-02-2010, 9:12 AM
I am very familiar with the same chicken dance maneuver that you describe!

hout slager
02-02-2010, 10:11 AM
Hm glad you were out of the timber's flight path.

Curious about this matter of saw safety in the States, why so many ppl don't use a fixed riving knife , short fence, and pushsticks. Also, why ppl don't take a short course be it 1/2 a day to learn machine safety ?
Surely the cost of safety training is far outweighed by the cost of going to the ER and time healing from certain injuries.

just my eurocents worth.
hs

Brian Kincaid
02-02-2010, 10:17 AM
Bill, I'm glad you are okay. Accident aside you are a very funny writer. I can't wait to read your next story. Got any more?

-Brian

Kevin Barnett
02-02-2010, 10:53 AM
Seems like a good day if you didn't get hurt...Pretty cheap accident all in all.

The glass is always half full.

Rod Sheridan
02-02-2010, 11:03 AM
I am so happy that these accidents haven't turned out worse.

Dropping something on the blade, is obviously something that a blade guard would have prevented.

The others, where it sounds like the piece rotated into the rear of the blade, do you think a well fitted splitter or riving knife would have prevented it?

Regards, Rod.

P.S. I'm not blaming anyone for not doing something, or for doing something they shouldn't, just curious what could have been done to prevent it, or what the individuals have done to prevent it in the future.

Richard M. Wolfe
02-02-2010, 11:20 AM
Makes a good weapon. A few yers ago I was ripping a good edge on some eastern red cedar. It's interesting stuff to saw - like cardboard through the wood and like concrete in the knots. I had made a rip to get a clean edge and picked up the cutoff to toss on a scrap pile behind me. It came apart at a loose knot and a sizeable chunk fell on the blade. It came zooming back and hit me in the stomach. Lucky for me it wasn't a very large piece and had fallen in such a way it didn't get a lot of speed and it twisted and hit me broadside rather than like a lance. Still got my attention, though.

Ole Anderson
02-02-2010, 12:27 PM
Wow, great story.

Now, you guys all know that we recall these events so that others might learn, and that a picture is worth a thousand words, so let's see them! Here's mine, show me yours...

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Rob Lindquist
02-02-2010, 12:31 PM
Glad you are okay,

And not to hijack your thread I'll share. I had an approximately 2' square of 3/4" plywood come spinning out of my Unisaw while cutting a dado in it. To this day I am not sure what happened to cause it.

All I know is I was suddenly standing there with a sharp pain in the groin area. I was afraid to look down. My wife heard the racket as the wood continued into the side wall of the garage, 90* to the side of the saw. Her eyes got huge as saucers when she looked at me to see my u hmm, "privates" wide open to the world, (I knew something was wrong, she never looks at my privates like that) with blood gushing out. Seems the wood hit me near my zipper and tore through my Levis and my boxer briefs and hit my junk. After jumping in the shower to check the damage I found the cuts were pretty much superficial to the area, but very tough to stop the bleeding, if you think cutting your face is bad. I was able to stop the bleeding after a while, and guess what, you can not put bandages there for obvious reasons. So it had to heal pretty much on its own with some antibiotic ointment. I had a severe black blue mark from just to the right of center (when looking down) all the way to my left upper thigh across my manhood that eventually went to yellow and green before it was gone about 3-4 months later. Having bruised manparts is not fun.

The board ended up with a 3/4" wide dado with an interesting V shaped arc after starting perfectly straight. I believe I have the board to this day, that was about 15 years ago, and 3 beautiful daughters since so "it" still works!

Pretty personal stuff for only my second post here :cool:

Cameron Reddy
02-02-2010, 12:40 PM
Rob, where were you standing?

Are you saying the wood was thrown 90 degrees perpendicular to the direction of the saw blade? Or, did it hit you and ricochet?

This was a two foot square of plywood?

Ole, I don't think I want to see Rob's pictures :eek:

Ole Anderson
02-02-2010, 12:47 PM
Yea, Rob, skip the pics, PLEASE...

Bill HammerII
02-02-2010, 1:08 PM
Bill - Glad you are ok. That was a close call.

However - my question is why is a house that is matching trim and doing big crown moulding and all that - why does this house have hollow core doors???? I'd take the opportunity to suggest that maybe real wood doors are in order.


All good questions but alias above my pay grade. If you were to walk through the house the hollow door question would be at the bottom of the list as to why. I have questions but the answer I get is the homeowner likes it that way. She likes quirky is the most common answer I get. As a professional wood whore I just provide a service in kind for monetary rewards. (Think of it this way. You know you’re going to get screwed, all that’s left is the amount of your fee for services)

Mike Cruz
02-02-2010, 1:10 PM
Ole, nice pic!

Nope, no pics of my chin, but look at the pic of Ole, the block of wood that hit my chin was about that size. Don't know if it matters much, but I was using my Ridgid TS with a 1 HP motor. So, it's not like it was a workhorse 5 HP motor...

Again, while I don't have pics of my chin, here is what your arms can end up looking like from ski racing. Hitting those gates at 30-35 MPH hurts! I usually wear padding but forgot it this day. I raced anyway...

Rob Lindquist
02-02-2010, 1:51 PM
No pictures from me, no worries there! Actually I would feel better if you guys didn't try to picture it!

I was standing behind the saw, when the piece hit me it must have been spinning fast enough to catch on me and take flight to the left, 90* to the blade. It hit the 1/2" sheetrock and put a hole in the wall 10' away about a foot below the table . It was marine grade 3/4" plywood about 24" X 24".

Don Orr
02-02-2010, 2:36 PM
Thanks for the safety reminder Rob and glad it wasn't worse.

When I was young and stupid (read younger and stupider than now:() I was working for a guy who made temporary horse stalls for horse shows. We were building the "pallets" that when assembled in a specific arrangement turned into horse stalls. We had to cut and rip a slot of rough sawn pine and had a lot of scrap. We also had an old tablesaw with no guards. Can you see where this is going ? For fun and amusement we would stand at the back of the saw and DELIBERATELY drop scraps onto the spinning blade to see how far they would go. We were outside by the way. We would also hold the safety in on the framing nailer and shoot at birds and squirrells. It's absolutely amazing no one ever got hurt. Bunch of dumb college kids left on their own with power tools:eek:.

I am WAY safer than that now. Safety FIRST !

Mike Cruz
02-02-2010, 2:53 PM
Watch out! Here comes PETA...

Lee Schierer
02-02-2010, 4:21 PM
I used to have a similar hole int eh dry wall leading to my family room. LOML was surprised to see a piece of 1 x 2 appear 2 feet into the room.

So did you finish the stair case on time and under budget?

JohnT Fitzgerald
02-02-2010, 4:25 PM
Bill - glad to hear you're OK. And as for the door....well, if it didn't hit on the hinge side, I'd say you could have just installed a deadbolt on the door where the hole was made.

Bill HammerII
02-02-2010, 5:16 PM
I am so happy that these accidents haven't turned out worse.

Dropping something on the blade, is obviously something that a blade guard would have prevented.

The others, where it sounds like the piece rotated into the rear of the blade, do you think a well fitted splitter or riving knife would have prevented it?

Regards, Rod.

P.S. I'm not blaming anyone for not doing something, or for doing something they shouldn't, just curious what could have been done to prevent it, or what the individuals have done to prevent it in the future.


Rod as bad as the picture looks I’ve tried all manner of different guards and stuff over 20 years. On that very saw is a splitter made from brass I installed a couple of years ago. Most of the kickbacks I’ve had and seen have happened because the wood was under tension and closed after leaving the blade. When I first got started years ago the answer was to either have someone insert a wooden wedge or reach over the running saw and stick a wooden wedge in the kerf yourself. None of the above are things I like. None of my table saws have a true knife but a piece mounted into the blade insert to keep the kerf from closing. I now see kits to allow you to add these to your insets.(should have marketed the idea right?)
On overhead guards I’ve not used any that didn’t make me more afraid of using them then if I didn’t use them. Most don’t lend themselves to mobile work and frankly scare the crap out of me when ripping boards

David Helm
02-02-2010, 7:12 PM
I, too, am glad you weren't hurt. Your accident reminded me of a Junior High shop teacher who showed us (his students) the power of a table saw. This was back in the dark ages (around 1957) when teachers had fewer rules to abide by. He had us all stand back of the saw (blade aspinnin') while he tossed a chunk of hardwood into the blade. The result was exactly the same as yours; chunk of wood stuck in the door (not, I might add, a hollow core one). While this was a dangerous lesson to be teaching eighth graders, I have NEVER forgotten it. Let's all knock wood and bow down to the power tool gods!

Randall Clark
02-02-2010, 7:58 PM
But c'mon, looks like a little wood filler'll fix it right up.

I have been hit in the gut so hard it made me rush to the nearest toilet. I try to respect the power and use it reverently. If you work long enough, somethin' will happen. If I can look at my hands and count to ten, it's a good day.