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Bill Grumbine
10-17-2004, 7:50 PM
Good evening everyone

Thank you all who responded to my post with empathy, sympathy, and encouragement. My hand is much better than either I or the doctor expected. He said four or five days or even a week before the swelling would start to go down, but it is about 80% better already! I took some time to take a few pictures this afternoon in the shop to reconstruct the accident and see what I could do better or differently in the future. Do not worry, there is no blood or gore coming!

<img src="http://www.enter.net/~ultradad/drillpressaccident01.jpg">

Here is the thing that did the deed. I was drilling these pieces to become the feet of a footstool of my own design. You can see that I have a very nice drill press table, and it even has clamps. I have drilled pieces for years, sometimes clamped, sometimes not. I would never have thought of having to clamp this particular one down. Glenn, do you notice the table? It has some really nice clamps that came with it. :o

<img src="http://www.enter.net/~ultradad/drillpressaccident03.jpg">

Here is a closeup of the hole. You can see where the flutes of the bit grabbed the wood. Ordinarily this bit drills very clean holes. I think that something cause the wood to move. Perhaps as has been suggested, the bit was raised a bit too quickly. That is entirely possible, since I am not known for patience. I do respect my machines though, and almost always wait until things have spun down, stopped, or are otherwise safe to approach. Maybe I was distracted by something. That would come as no surprise, as I have a lot on my mind right now.

<img src="http://www.enter.net/~ultradad/drillpressaccident04.jpg">

Here is my bandaged paw in the drilling position. What must have happened given the shape and location of the cuts on the back of my hand is that as the piece raised up above the fence, the part on the lower right rotated around and hit the back of my hand - several times in the fraction of a second it took to pull away.

I do have clamps for this thing, but have never really used them except for odd shaped pieces or when there is no fence to hold things in place. I tried the clamp in two different places. On the left, under my hand, the clamp would have done nothing - well, maybe a little, but the piece slid out from under very easily. On the right, the clamp worked a lot better. I could not move the piece in any direction without tugging the entire drill press off its foundation.

Lesson learned - even a mundane task can cause an injury. I am fond of telling people the machine will always win, and I forgot it in this case. I also tell people that the few seconds lost in having to wait for a blade to spin down is less time spent that a trip to the emergency room. That apparently holds true for clamping boards to the drill press. So, I will learn to use my clamps more often.

<img src="http://www.enter.net/~ultradad/drillpressaccident05.jpg">

Here is what I am building. I had an order for one, so I decided to build five. I now have two sold before they are even done, and I may be able to salvage the foot that got chewed up a bit. If not, I will put the parts aside and make a new one when the Mini Max arrives.

Thanks again for all your comments, and I hope these pictures help someone besides me out.

Bill

John Miliunas
10-17-2004, 8:05 PM
Bill, I hate to say it, but I think that maybe you did get in a bit of a rush or got distracted (Both?). The reason I say this is, as you point out, the flutes of the bit caught the piece and lifted it. In order for the type of damage to occur, you would've been letting the quill come back up. In this case, me thinks you may have been letting it come back up too quickly! :( Had you been going at it a bit slower, either the bit would've cleared the sidewalls of the hole properly or you would've started to feel/see the wood coming up with the bit. You've got enough fence there holding it from spinning had you noticed it right away. As it is, the piece traveled up quite a distance and rapidly, in order to clear the fence. :(

I ain't no Pro, but when I got bit on mine, it was a very similar situation and that is what I deduced happened to me, albeit, I got my mitt outta' there a bit quicker and the piece was not as substantial, so little damage to the old body. :) I've since resorted to using a hold-down clamp (sometimes two!) for any situation, which even remotely reeks of a possible "scene". :rolleyes:

Also, glad to see you healing quickly! :D That part is GREAT! :cool:

Jim Becker
10-17-2004, 8:16 PM
Thanks for sharing that, Bill. The most important things you said that we all need to pay attention to are, “...even a mundane task can cause an injury...” and “...the tool will always win...” . How right you are.

Rich Konopka
10-17-2004, 8:24 PM
Bill:

I am glad to see you are on the mend. You have made me realize that ANY tool in the workshop can be very dangerous. Call me naive for not thinking of a DP as in the same category as a TS.

Maybe next time you can use some of these? You definitely got my attention.

Be well and heal well

Jason Tuinstra
10-17-2004, 9:06 PM
Bill, glad to hear that you're okay. Thankfully it wasn't much worse. The Lord is good!

Joe Mioux
10-17-2004, 9:14 PM
Hi Bill:

Thanks for creating this thread and the prior thread. For what it is worth, it seems that had you had a taller fence, you probablyl would have noticed and would have had time to react to the piece coming off the table.

Also I just noticed in the "re-inactment photo", had the stop block been on the opposite side, the lock-down screw probably would have caught the block from spinning.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery

Joe

Jerry Olexa
10-17-2004, 9:21 PM
Bill Thanks for update , info and your wise counsel. Take care and heal quickly. We are trhinking of you and have learned. Thanks again!

Keith Christopher
10-17-2004, 9:28 PM
I am so glad to hear you're ok. I was using the dado today and I was gonna do something not so safe but not so dangerous and believe it or not I thought about your DP accident and reminded myself not to get too comfortable around these machines, much like the Sigfried and Roy never forget these are dangerous machines/animals. Glad to see you're on the road to recovery.

Don Abele
10-17-2004, 9:58 PM
Bill, glad to see you on the mend so quickly.

Be well,

Doc

Ted Calver
10-17-2004, 11:09 PM
Bill,
Tell the truth, I was really more worried about the DP. From your pics, you look like the kinda guy that bullets bounce off so I knew you'd be just fine.... but that poor little DP. Glad you had a pic showing you were both recovering:):)
Ted

David Rose
10-17-2004, 11:15 PM
Bill, I'm glad you think there was no gore. I see right through bandages. :eek: I'm certainly glad that you are OK now.

I can tell you how that can easily happen with steel. I don't know if the same will apply to your accident. When a twist drill breaks through to exit, if the down feed is fast enough, the unremoved metal will attempt to climb the flutes. A fence and hold downs can stop it, but it is still noticable. If the down feed pressure is maintained through the cut, the bit will try to "jump" through with a little metal still remaining uncut. This metal will immediately catch on the drill flutes and climb. Even with 200 RPM it will lift the metal faster than I can react. The answer with steel is to ease the pressure when breakthrough starts. This is harder to feel with wood. Or better yet, have a sacrificial piece under the project of the same hardness. Oh, and the larger the bit, the worse the situation becomes.

Just a thought...

David

Don Selke
10-18-2004, 12:10 AM
Hi Bill:

Glad to see that you are on the mend and on the road to recovery. Thanks for sharing your misfortune with the rest of us.
By the way Bill, what is that red shovel in one of the photos with a long handle? I think it is a snow shovel, have not seen one of them in ten years since I moved to Arizona.
Take care and the best of luck.

Frank Pellow
10-18-2004, 8:54 AM
Thanks for the re-enactment of the accident Bill and I am glad that you are healing so quickly. I don't own a drill press yet, but when I get one, I will remember the "thou shalt clamp" lesson.

Kent Cori
10-18-2004, 10:04 AM
Thanks Bill for helping some of us avoid a similar incident. My next project is a drill press table and I've already bought the tee track and clamps. I'll make sure I use them.

Martin Shupe
10-18-2004, 10:14 AM
Bill,

Sorry to hear about your accident, but glad to hear it will mend. Nice photos of the scene of the mishap and thoughts on how it happened. Nice project, too!

One more thing...this won't delay the shipping of the DVD's, will it? I sure hope not! :D

Steve Clardy
10-18-2004, 10:44 AM
Glad to hear you are on the road to recovery quicker than you thought.

Try using a forester bit for those operation's with a backer board underneath. Foresters don't grab like twist or brad point bits. Much cleaner hole also.:)

Ted Shrader
10-18-2004, 11:32 AM
Bill -

Thanks for posting the mishap critique. Very insightful. Also glad you are healing quickly, but am afraid it will be sore for quite some time.

A suggestion/question. Would it be possible to clamp a block to the fence above the work piece that would allow the piece to slide under it easily and contact the stop block but not require tightening each time? Not neccesarily a "hold down", but rather a "hold from coming up".

Regards,
Ted

John Miliunas
10-18-2004, 12:47 PM
Would it be possible to clamp a block to the fence above the work piece that would allow the piece to slide under it easily and contact the stop block but not require tightening each time? Not neccesarily a "hold down", but rather a "hold from coming up".

Regards,
Ted

Hey Ted, I *LIKE* that idea! Bill's setup is ideal for it, as well, because he's already got the T-track on the topside of the fence. :) Hmmm...Kind of a vertical stop. Neat idea! :cool:

Roger Fitzsimonds
10-18-2004, 1:58 PM
I am glad you are healing well. Thank you for the report, the DP looks fairly innocent.
But they all will bite you if you don't pay attention.

Roger