robert dankert
12-03-2009, 5:25 PM
Hi, I am interested in giving hand planes a try. I posted this on another forum, but no luck. I have three block planes - two Miller Falls and a Craftsman; and three Stanleys - #4,5,& 7. I am trying to learn about the planes historically as well as how to clean, tune and use. All planes were given to me. I am not going to sell them.
Right now I am trying to date the Stanleys and need help. I have spent a large amount of time on the internet and am getting frustrated. I don't know if all of the parts are original to the bodies. Would appreciate help (info, resources) to at least ID the bodies.
I've been mainly using the Plane Feature Timeline at
http://www.hyperkitten.com/tools/stanley_bench_plane/tl_timeline.php (http://www.hyperkitten.com/tools/stanley_bench_plane/tl_timeline.php)
and Rex Mill
https://home.comcast.net/~stanleyplanes/planes101/typing/typing.htm
My planes are pictured here (13 pics)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rjdankert/4153347262/in/set-72157622795872293/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rjdankert/4153347262/in/set-72157622795872293/)
This is what I have found (and not found):
note:The numbers are the plane type that the features were found on. The features not found were to eliminate some types to try to narrow down my plane type. For example frog receiver "Y" shaped is found on types 19 - 20. My #4 has this feature. The blue color is found on type 20 and not found on my plane. To me this points to a type 19.
#4 Smooth plane / Type
-raised ring cast in bed at toe 14 - 20
-lever cap logo "STANLEY" in notched rectangle 13 - 20
-Bailey marking behind knob 15 - 20
-"MADE IN U.S.A" behind frog 15 - 20
-plane size cast in toe in front of knob 15 - 20
-lever cap hole kidney-shaped 16 - 20
-iron stamped"STANLEY" in not. rect."MADE IN U.S.A." 16 - 20
-frog receiver "Y" shaped 19 - 20
-iron top shape rounded 19 - 20
-lat.adj.lever stamped "STANLEY" vertically 19
Not Found:
-painted blue 20
Assuming I have correctly identified the frog receiver and the lateral adjustment lever is original this would be a Type 19 1948-1961.
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#5 Jack plane
-Bailey marking - cast in toe - in front of knob 9 - 14
-lat.adj.lever stamped "STANLEY" 9 - 18
-lever cap logo "STANLEY" in notched rectangle 13 - 20
-raised ring cast in bed at toe 14 - 20
-bed broad flat rib around toe and heel 16 - 20
-lever cap hole kidney-shaped 16 - 20
-"MADE IN U.S.A" - cast into bed behind knob ?
-plane size cast behind tote ?
-iron stamped "STANLEY" in not. rect.
"MADE IN U.S.A." "PAT 1.918.750"
Not Found:
-foundry numbers - "73","71" cast in bed 4 - 15
-"U.S. PAT. APR-19-10" behind frog 13 - 14
-"MADE IN U.S.A" behind frog 15 - 20
-depth adjustment nut knurling diagonal 18
With the Bailey marking in front of the knob and the raised ring under the knob suggests to me a type 14, but I cannot find foundry numbers on the bed, a patent behind the frog, or "MADE IN U.S.A" behind frog. Also this plane has a rib around the toe and heel.
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#7 Jointer
-Bailey marking - cast in toe - in front of knob 9 - 14
-lat.adj.lever stamped "STANLEY" 9 - 18
-lever cap logo "STANLEY" in notched rectangle 13 - 20
-raised ring cast in bed at toe 14 - 20
-lever cap hole kidney-shaped 16 - 20
-iron stamped"STANLEY" in not. rect."MADE IN U.S.A." 16 - 20
-"MADE IN U.S.A" - cast into bed behind knob ?
-plane size cast behind tote ?
-"U" stamped in frog ?
-frog receiver is the same "Y" shape on my #4
Not Found:
-foundry numbers - "73","71" cast in bed 4 - 15
-"U.S. PAT. APR-19-10" behind frog 13 - 14
-"MADE IN U.S.A" behind frog 15 - 20
-depth adjustment nut knurling diagonal 18
This one (like the #5) has the Bailey marking in front of
the knob and the raised ring under the knob and lacks the foundry numbers on the bed, a patent behind the frog, or "MADE IN U.S.A" behind frog. Heel and toe do NOT have raised ribs.
Bob
Right now I am trying to date the Stanleys and need help. I have spent a large amount of time on the internet and am getting frustrated. I don't know if all of the parts are original to the bodies. Would appreciate help (info, resources) to at least ID the bodies.
I've been mainly using the Plane Feature Timeline at
http://www.hyperkitten.com/tools/stanley_bench_plane/tl_timeline.php (http://www.hyperkitten.com/tools/stanley_bench_plane/tl_timeline.php)
and Rex Mill
https://home.comcast.net/~stanleyplanes/planes101/typing/typing.htm
My planes are pictured here (13 pics)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rjdankert/4153347262/in/set-72157622795872293/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rjdankert/4153347262/in/set-72157622795872293/)
This is what I have found (and not found):
note:The numbers are the plane type that the features were found on. The features not found were to eliminate some types to try to narrow down my plane type. For example frog receiver "Y" shaped is found on types 19 - 20. My #4 has this feature. The blue color is found on type 20 and not found on my plane. To me this points to a type 19.
#4 Smooth plane / Type
-raised ring cast in bed at toe 14 - 20
-lever cap logo "STANLEY" in notched rectangle 13 - 20
-Bailey marking behind knob 15 - 20
-"MADE IN U.S.A" behind frog 15 - 20
-plane size cast in toe in front of knob 15 - 20
-lever cap hole kidney-shaped 16 - 20
-iron stamped"STANLEY" in not. rect."MADE IN U.S.A." 16 - 20
-frog receiver "Y" shaped 19 - 20
-iron top shape rounded 19 - 20
-lat.adj.lever stamped "STANLEY" vertically 19
Not Found:
-painted blue 20
Assuming I have correctly identified the frog receiver and the lateral adjustment lever is original this would be a Type 19 1948-1961.
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#5 Jack plane
-Bailey marking - cast in toe - in front of knob 9 - 14
-lat.adj.lever stamped "STANLEY" 9 - 18
-lever cap logo "STANLEY" in notched rectangle 13 - 20
-raised ring cast in bed at toe 14 - 20
-bed broad flat rib around toe and heel 16 - 20
-lever cap hole kidney-shaped 16 - 20
-"MADE IN U.S.A" - cast into bed behind knob ?
-plane size cast behind tote ?
-iron stamped "STANLEY" in not. rect.
"MADE IN U.S.A." "PAT 1.918.750"
Not Found:
-foundry numbers - "73","71" cast in bed 4 - 15
-"U.S. PAT. APR-19-10" behind frog 13 - 14
-"MADE IN U.S.A" behind frog 15 - 20
-depth adjustment nut knurling diagonal 18
With the Bailey marking in front of the knob and the raised ring under the knob suggests to me a type 14, but I cannot find foundry numbers on the bed, a patent behind the frog, or "MADE IN U.S.A" behind frog. Also this plane has a rib around the toe and heel.
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#7 Jointer
-Bailey marking - cast in toe - in front of knob 9 - 14
-lat.adj.lever stamped "STANLEY" 9 - 18
-lever cap logo "STANLEY" in notched rectangle 13 - 20
-raised ring cast in bed at toe 14 - 20
-lever cap hole kidney-shaped 16 - 20
-iron stamped"STANLEY" in not. rect."MADE IN U.S.A." 16 - 20
-"MADE IN U.S.A" - cast into bed behind knob ?
-plane size cast behind tote ?
-"U" stamped in frog ?
-frog receiver is the same "Y" shape on my #4
Not Found:
-foundry numbers - "73","71" cast in bed 4 - 15
-"U.S. PAT. APR-19-10" behind frog 13 - 14
-"MADE IN U.S.A" behind frog 15 - 20
-depth adjustment nut knurling diagonal 18
This one (like the #5) has the Bailey marking in front of
the knob and the raised ring under the knob and lacks the foundry numbers on the bed, a patent behind the frog, or "MADE IN U.S.A" behind frog. Heel and toe do NOT have raised ribs.
Bob