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Denny Rice
10-27-2009, 12:22 AM
I was out of town today as my son was at a local college taking his SAT test and had about 4 hours to burn and decided to go to the local mall. I walked into Sears and what sat there but their new Orion built Craftsman Hybrid 22116 with a granite top. At first glance it looks a lot like the zip code saw that Sears has been selling for the past 5 years or so, the 22124. But as I got closer there were some real differences:

1. A granite top: All I can say is I am glad I don't have one if this is the best Sears can do. As I was checking out the saw i found 2 cracks in the granite top of the floor model. The granite top looked very dull and was not very slippery, this is not something I would not want.

2.Sears removed the Biesemeyer fence system for a cheap knock off. The fence didn't look like the standard SC fence neither. It looked cheap.

3.The Off/On switch has been replaced with a much cheaper version.

4. Does not come with the 40 tooth Leitz blade as the 22124 did.

5. I know this is minor, but the 22124 had 2 lift tabs knobs that opened the dust housing to get to motor and belt assembly. Now Sears has replaced these with 4 sheet metal screws so now you have to have a screwdriver to get to the motor.

The one improvement I found was the crank handles for the blade are much larger than on the 22124. I would like to get a set of these wheels for my 22124.

It may just be me, but I think Craftsman/Sears dropped the ball on this one!

Randal Stevenson
10-27-2009, 12:57 AM
If this is the one I am thinking of, you might go to Home Depot and compare it with the Ridgid 4511. They have the same fence, and I am not sure about its finish (the top) but I think it is the same. As for the cracks, well considering how both my Sears and Home Depots set things up, I am not surprised.

Cary Falk
10-27-2009, 6:32 AM
I saw one upside down in a box last month. I guess they were trying to assemble it. I remember thinking what a shame if they are going to replace the zip code saws with this one. The only problem I saw with the old ones was the price increase of the 22124 put it cabinet saw territory. Sears is one of those places where you don't buy at full price anyway.

Eit: My bad. Looking at the Sears website it looks like the one I was talikng was the 21833 saw. I have not seen the 22116.

Denny Rice
10-27-2009, 9:59 AM
I saw one upside down in a box last month. I guess they were trying to assemble it. I remember thinking what a shame if they are going to replace the zip code saws with this one. The only problem I saw with the old ones was the price increase of the 22124 put it cabinet saw territory. Sears is one of those places where you don't buy at full price anyway.

Eit: My bad. Looking at the Sears website it looks like the one I was talikng was the 21833 saw. I have not seen the 22116.

It uses the same cabinet as the 22124 but has a granite top.....

scott spencer
10-27-2009, 11:44 AM
From pics, the fence on the 22116 is different from either the R4511 or the Steel City 35930...looks to be a little nicer than the R4511 that has no faces and uses a two piece rail, but not quite as nice as the Biese clone on the 35930.

The R4511 and Steel City have cabinet mounted trunnions, and a one piece cast arbor carriage, which is a nicer design than the connecting rods....I'll speculate that the 22116 does too. Not sure I'd like granite, but I'm willing to give it time to prove itself before deciding.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/hewood/sawparts/22116.jpg
http://i3.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/40/b7/0273_35.JPG
http://www.toolsnob.com/pictures/Ridgid_R4511.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/hewood/sawparts/R4511Trunion.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/hewood/sawparts/r4511topview.jpg