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Micheal Roth
10-13-2009, 9:09 PM
Here are the pictures of what I've done so far. The shop is going to be real nice. So far everything has been going real well. This week i plan on getting all the vinyl soffit work and aluminum facia trim finished along with the brick freize board along the front of the shop. I should be ready for the bricklayers in probably 2 weeks. I haven't purchased my brick yet so that will be done later this week. I'll post more pictures as i progress further in the build.

















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Joe Mioux
10-13-2009, 10:10 PM
Wow, nice space.



joe

Bruce Page
10-13-2009, 10:13 PM
That’s going to make an excellent man cave!

Keep the pics coming

Greg Peterson
10-13-2009, 10:34 PM
It's bigger than my house!

Rob Cunningham
10-14-2009, 7:56 AM
Looks like that's going to be a really nice shop. Hope to see pictures when it's complete. What's the overall size of the building?

Micheal Roth
10-14-2009, 8:40 AM
Downstairs is 24x36 Upstairs is 12x36 I also used radiant barrier roof sheathing. We'll find out next summer if the stuff does what they say it does.

Cory Hoehn
10-14-2009, 8:50 AM
I'm so jealous right now. That looks awesome.

Eric Commarato
10-14-2009, 9:07 AM
Very Nice! and beautiful lawn.

GERALD HARGROVE
10-14-2009, 9:28 AM
I can only dream at this point, looks great.

Bob Marino
10-14-2009, 10:19 AM
Very nice, can only dream of such things.
Good luck!

Bob

Steve Southwood
10-14-2009, 10:29 AM
Nice shop. But please don't call it a man cave. I hate that. Man caves are for guys that hide from their wives.

Ben Martin
10-14-2009, 12:26 PM
Nice shop. But please don't call it a man cave. I hate that. Man caves are for guys that hide from their wives.

That better be sarcasm!!! :D

Garth Keel
10-14-2009, 1:07 PM
What about a basement?:D

Zach England
10-14-2009, 4:27 PM
That is easily twice as big as my house (not exaggerating). Is that a white dog or a chicken walking around? I love both chickens and little doggies.

Doug Carpenter
10-14-2009, 6:47 PM
Nice. Who did you buy the house wrap from?;)

Micheal Roth
10-14-2009, 8:46 PM
Yes, Lowes should be hooking me up for the free advertisement and the white thing is in fact my dog and apprentice carpenter "Tater". He and i will spend quite a bit of time in the man cave when it's done. No i can't do no basement since i'm about 2 miles from the Mississippi river, but the thought did cross my mind:o.

Myk Rian
10-14-2009, 9:09 PM
Nice. Who did you buy the house wrap from?;)
Same place he got the siding?:D

Ben Martin
10-14-2009, 9:45 PM
I looked at the pictures again, why is there only 2.5 windows on the lower level and none on one side? Privacy/Security?

Micheal Roth
10-15-2009, 10:04 AM
Yes, there are no windows on the west side of the building for the simple fact of the west facing sun in the summer. I wanted to insulate the west wall completely to cut down on the afternoon summer heat. Also this side of the building is opposite the house side so this gives me added security. I plan on installing all of my cabinets with a radial arm saw on this side for lumber break down. I have a 10'x8' insulated garage door in front with a 6' steel double door in the back wall with a 36" steel door in the east facing wall along with 2- 36"x48" vinyl clad sliding windows . Upstairs i used 32"x48" vinyl double hung windows that match what was used in the house. The idea on the build was to try to match the shop with the house. I originally wanted to build a 30'x40' but decided to scale it down to 24'x36' from how it looked on the cad design. CAD designs are awsome because you can actually see what the building is going to look like. Also i was having trouble fitting the larger building on my lot.

Doug Carpenter
10-15-2009, 3:12 PM
I don't know what I love more; the shop or the name Tater!:p

george wilson
10-15-2009, 7:53 PM
Be careful to NOT USE Chinese drywall. There was just a news story about how the Chinese drywall used during the building boom a few years ago corrodes metal in the rooms it's used in. I don't know if it's any better yet. Now I don't know if they used it in my shop built 5 years ago. So far,no machines or tools corroding,and no strange odors.

Micheal Roth
10-15-2009, 8:53 PM
how do you know if drywall is chinese drywall?

Don Bullock
10-15-2009, 9:29 PM
Michael, congratulations! That looks fantastic. Enjoy.

george wilson
10-16-2009, 12:38 PM
The drywall they showed on the news had a Chinese name in English translation printed on the back of the drywall.

How many more ways will the Chinese find to slip us worthless or dangerous crap?

Bill Blackburn
10-21-2009, 9:28 AM
Isn't that the stuff they been having serious mold issues with? Maybe not there but here they pulled all imported stuff out of the stores some time ago. Maybe the issue been fixed?

Richard Chan
10-21-2009, 10:25 AM
No Its not mold, the drywall is emmiting some kind of gas and eating away the copper pipes and AC systems.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/18/chinese.drywall/index.html

Mike Cruz
10-24-2009, 2:27 AM
I can't believe you didn't go 30 x 40! Aaaaarrrggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

I went 24 x 30 and totally regret not going 30 x 36. You'll be amazed at how quickly the space fills.

But on the up side, looks like a VERY well constructed building, that I'm sure will be well insulated and laid out perfectly.

Can't wait to see more pics and the final!

Denny Rice
10-24-2009, 5:40 AM
Nice shop. But please don't call it a man cave. I hate that. Man caves are for guys that hide from their wives.

I love my wife of 22 years, but I'm glad I have my mancave to get AWAY from her too...Sometimes that women can drive me crazy!:D:eek:

Alan Trout
10-24-2009, 8:39 AM
Downstairs is 24x36 Upstairs is 12x36 I also used radiant barrier roof sheathing. We'll find out next summer if the stuff does what they say it does.Michael,

What a wonderful project. I built a 2 story building that houses my shop almost identical in size about 10+ years ago. While it is adequate, like others have mentioned you can always use more space. I tell people all the time I could fill a 60x40 shop and still need more space. :)

Living in South Texas and being and inspector I can tell you from experience radiant barrier roof decking is a fabulous product that works as advertised. However you still have to have adequate attic ventilation to take advantage of the lower heat gain. How is your roof ventilated? I do not see any soffit vents or upper end ventilation. A ridge vent should work but you need to have baffles to carry the air to the upper attic space. The proper ratio for attic ventilation should be a minimum of 1 square foot of attic ventilation for every 150 square feet of attic space with the distribution of this ventilation of 60% soffit vents and 40% upper end ventilation. It is also a great product for wall sheathing if you skin vent the wall. This is great on west facing walls. Remember with all radiant barrier products nothing can touch the surface or it does not work so it has to have a air gap between the sheathing and the insulation.

One thing that has puzzled me is many of the shops I have seen constructed here at the creek that have a monolithic slab, is that they are built so close to grade level. In my neck of the woods and what is written in most codes is there should be a minimum of 6 inches of finished slab exposure even after final grading has been established. This is done for several reasons. One is so you can have adequate drainage around the structure. If you are built on clay soils that are particularly plastic this can have a significant impact on overall foundation performance. Another reason is access for wood destroying insects. In particular termites. The less slab exposure the easier it is for termites to build tunnels up the side of the slab. I have seen some municipalities that get pretty nasty over the slab exposure issue.

Good Luck

Alan

Micheal Roth
10-24-2009, 8:17 PM
Michael,

What a wonderful project. I built a 2 story building that houses my shop almost identical in size about 10+ years ago. While it is adequate, like others have mentioned you can always use more space. I tell people all the time I could fill a 60x40 shop and still need more space. :)

Living in South Texas and being and inspector I can tell you from experience radiant barrier roof decking is a fabulous product that works as advertised. However you still have to have adequate attic ventilation to take advantage of the lower heat gain. How is your roof ventilated? I do not see any soffit vents or upper end ventilation. A ridge vent should work but you need to have baffles to carry the air to the upper attic space. The proper ratio for attic ventilation should be a minimum of 1 square foot of attic ventilation for every 150 square feet of attic space with the distribution of this ventilation of 60% soffit vents and 40% upper end ventilation. It is also a great product for wall sheathing if you skin vent the wall. This is great on west facing walls. Remember with all radiant barrier products nothing can touch the surface or it does not work so it has to have a air gap between the sheathing and the insulation.

One thing that has puzzled me is many of the shops I have seen constructed here at the creek that have a monolithic slab, is that they are built so close to grade level. In my neck of the woods and what is written in most codes is there should be a minimum of 6 inches of finished slab exposure even after final grading has been established. This is done for several reasons. One is so you can have adequate drainage around the structure. If you are built on clay soils that are particularly plastic this can have a significant impact on overall foundation performance. Another reason is access for wood destroying insects. In particular termites. The less slab exposure the easier it is for termites to build tunnels up the side of the slab. I have seen some municipalities that get pretty nasty over the slab exposure issue.

Good Luck

Alan
I used 38' of owens corning ridge vent and i used vented vinyl soffit material on all soffits including the gable ends. As far as using radiant barrier on the west facing wall, i was told that it wasnt recommended because i was using vinyl siding over it. they said the excess heat reflection could cause vinyl siding problems. As far as the slab situation the finished slab is 4" above the finished grade of the driveway. The finished slab is about 8" above the grade of the yard surrounding the shop. Where i live there are no building codes whatsoever but i did have my neighbor that's a general contractor help with the site development and pouring of the concrete slab. As far as radiant barrier decking i do have several sheets left over that i would like to use in the upstairs room. Is this acceptable and do i put the foil side in towards the living area or would i place it facing the roof side? Any suggestions would be much appreciated.:)

Alan Trout
10-24-2009, 9:01 PM
It is so hard to tell whats going on from photos. It sounds like your ventilation is well under control.

The foil should always face the living space. However remember you cannot allow anything to touch the foil. If that happens its effectiveness is mute. Ideally there would be an air gap between the insulation at the radiant barrier and that air gap at those walls vent to the attic space. However I don't think you will see any great amount of increase of efficiency using it because most of your radiant gain is already taken care of by the roof sheathing. You might consider selling your leftover and put the money towards something else.

Yep vinyl and excess radiant heat is a problem and best not to put it on those walls.

You have a very nice project going. Keep up the good work.

Alan