Summary List of Member's Shop Characteristics

[Frank Pellow]

I decided to summarize the information contained in the "what the Size of your workshop?" thread (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=10114) in a table. I will update the table as additional posts are made to that thread or to this one. You can also send me a private note with corrections and information for the summary if that is easier.

A table containing the information (in descending order of area) appears in post #2 in this thread. It was last updated on the 28th of September, 2004.

I have already had one benefit from constructing this list. I was able to show Margaret (my wife) that the shop she considers to be very very big is in the lower portion of the list that is ordered by size.

[Frank Pellow]

<TABLE cellpadding="5" BORDER="1"><TR><TD>Rank</TD><TD>Name</TD><TD>Max Height</TD><TD>Shape</TD><TD>Area</TD><TD>Other Info</TD></TR><TR><TD>001</TD><TD>Ducharme Robert</TD><TD>16 to 22</TD><TD>50x100 + 1,000 - office</TD><TD>5,000 (about)</TD><TD>Separate building with 6,000 sq ft on two levels </TD></TR><TR><TD>002</TD><TD>Clardy Steve</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>56 x 64</TD><TD>3,584</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>003</TD><TD>Stube Steve</TD><TD>adequate ?</TD><TD>28 x 46 (2 stories)</TD><TD>2,688</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>004</TD><TD>Lutz Martin</TD><TD>13.5 cathedral</TD><TD>32 x 50</TD><TD>1,600</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>005</TD><TD>Bush John</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>1,560</TD><TD>2 floors of Recycled old barn</TD></TR><TR><TD>006</TD><TD>Baker Jim</TD><TD>7.5</TD><TD>32 x 48</TD><TD>1,536</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>007</TD><TD>Breen ED</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>30 x 50</TD><TD>1,500</TD><TD>Pole barn</TD></TR><TR><TD>008</TD><TD>Quiram Terry</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>32 x 44</TD><TD>1,408</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>009</TD><TD>Browning Larry</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>30x30 + 12x12</TD><TD>1,260</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage, loo, etc.</TD></TR><TR><TD>009</TD><TD>Burch Todd</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>30x40</TD><TD>1,200</TD><TD>Detached garage with no cars. Storage in attic</TD></TR><TR><TD>010</TD><TD>Hatfield Terry</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>30 x 40</TD><TD>1200</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>010</TD><TD>Peacock Dennis</TD><TD>12 cathedral</TD><TD>30 x 60</TD><TD>1,200 (for shop)</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>010</TD><TD>Right Dave</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>30 x 40</TD><TD>1,200</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>014</TD><TD>Lang Ed</TD><TD>10 (about)</TD><TD>28 x 42</TD><TD>1,176</TD><TD>Separate building with 12'X42' shed on side for storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>015</TD><TD>Hale Brian</TD><TD>7 and 8</TD><TD>29x39 (also 7x14 storage)</TD><TD>1,131</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>016</TD><TD>Abele Don</TD><TD>8 and 10</TD><TD>11x21 + 12x25</TD><TD>1,120</TD><TD>Attached garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>016</TD><TD>Bachler Mark</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>28 x 40</TD><TD>1.120</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>016</TD><TD>Smith Gary</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>28 x 40</TD><TD>1,120</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage </TD></TR><TR><TD>019</TD><TD>Bulken Ned</TD><TD>16 (and 7 in loft)</TD><TD>24 x 26 (in main shop)</TD><TD>1,1000 (about)</TD><TD>Bay in commercial business incubator with loft at end</TD></TR><TR><TD>020</TD><TD>Lucas Mike</TD><TD>9' 4"</TD><TD>32 x 32</TD><TD>1,024</TD><TD> In separate 32 x 60 building</TD></TR><TR><TD>021</TD><TD> Todd Jerry</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>25 x 50</TD><TD>1,000 (for shop)</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>021</TD><TD>Lounsbury Dar (site 1)</TD><TD>7.5</TD><TD>20 x 25 (about)</TD><TD>500 (about) of 1000</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>---</TD><TD>-------------- (site 2)</TD><TD>7.5</TD><TD>20 x 25 (about)</TD><TD>500 (about) of 1000</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>023</TD><TD>Baird Joe</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>25x25 + 11x30</TD><TD>995</TD><TD>Basement with garage door for outside access</TD></TR><TR><TD>024</TD><TD>Mages Dan (site 1)</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>18 x 30</TD><TD>540 of 968</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>---</TD><TD>---------- (site 2)</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>12 x 24</TD><TD>288 of 968</TD><TD>Garage shared with car</TD></TR><TR><TD>---</TD><TD>---------- (site 3)</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>10 x 14</TD><TD>140 of 968</TD><TD>Shed</TD></TR><TR><TD>025</TD><TD> Meiser Matt</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>30 x 32</TD><TD>960</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR>
<TR><TD>026</TD><TD>Johnson Bob</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>13x28 + 12x22 +12x17 + 6x15</TD><TD>922</TD><TD>Basement. 4 rooms divided by open stud walls</TD></TR><TR><TD>027</TD><TD>Baumgartner Dean</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>30 x 30</TD><TD>900</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>027</TD><TD>Christopher Keith</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>30 x 30</TD><TD>900</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>029</TD><TD> Mortenson Mike</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>28 x 32</TD><TD>896</TD><TD> Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>030</TD><TD>Bell Roger</TD><TD> part ? cathedral, part 8</TD><TD>24 x 36</TD><TD>864</TD><TD> Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>030</TD><TD> London Andy</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>20x24 + 14x16 + 10x16</TD><TD>864</TD><TD> Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>030</TD><TD>Outten Keith</TD><TD>9.5</TD><TD>24 x 36</TD><TD>864</TD><TD>Separate building. Shop office upstairs</TD></TR><TR><TD>030</TD><TD>Risley Brad</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>24 x 36</TD><TD>864</TD><TD>12 x 24 of this shared with tractors </TD></TR><TR><TD>034</TD><TD>Prondzinski Thomas</TD><TD>8.5</TD><TD>26 x 32</TD><TD>832</TD><TD>Part of garage, separated by wall from car</TD></TR><TR><TD>035</TD><TD>Hitt Norman</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>25 x 32</TD><TD>800</TD><TD>Separate building with additional attached storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>035</TD><TD>Reda Bob</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>20 x 40</TD><TD>800</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>037</TD><TD>Singer Mark</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>22 x 36</TD><TD>792</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>038</TD><TD>LeBail Fred</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>25 x 31</TD><TD>775</TD><TD>2nd floor of garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>039</TD><TD>Mioux Joe</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>24 x 32</TD><TD>768</TD><TD> Garage and shop with separate attic storage </TD></TR><TR><TD>039</TD><TD>Renzetti John</TD><TD>9</TD> <TD>24 x 32</TD><TD>768</TD><TD>Separate building. Also separate 3x20x9 wood storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>039</TD><TD>Russell Rob</TD><TD>6.5</TD><TD>24 x 32</TD><TD>768</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>042</TD><TD>Fitzgerald Ken</TD><TD>9' 7"</TD><TD>24 x 30</TD><TD>720</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>043</TD><TD>Raines Donnie</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>26 x 26</TD><TD>676</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>044</TD><TD>Voorhess Fred</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>18.5 x 36.5</TD><TD>675</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>045</TD><TD>Harris Ted</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>21 x 31</TD><TD>651</TD><TD>Remodelled attached 3-car garage with office above</TD></TR><TR><TD>046</TD><TD>Pellow Frank (site 1)</TD><TD>10 cathedral</TD><TD>11.5x33 + 6x17 (fat T)</TD><TD>482 of 642</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>---</TD><TD>------------ (site 2)</TD><TD>7' 4"</TD><TD>8 x 20 (about)</TD><TD>160 (about) of 642</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>047</TD><TD>Obie Nick</TD><TD>9</TD><TD></TD>25 x 25<TD>625</TD><TD>DC and compressor outside</TD></TR><TR><TD>047</TD><TD>Cresti Paul</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>25 x 25</TD><TD>625</TD><TD>Attached garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>049</TD><TD>Naronzniak Greg</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>11x23 + 11x32</TD><TD>605</TD><TD>Attached 2.5 car garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>050</TD><TD>Becker Jim</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>21 x 30 (broken by stairway)</TD><TD>600 (about)</TD><TD>Separate building with empty upper floor</TD></TR><TR><TD>051</TD><TD>StPeter Jay</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>14x31 + 10x16 L</TD><TD>589</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>Garlock Ken</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>Separate building </TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>Guy Jim<TD>?</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>McDonaugh Dennis</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>Merlau Larry</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>Part of garage with no cars -rest is storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>Parr Dick</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>Salisbury Ken</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>058</TD><TD>Hoffman Nathan</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>22 x 26 minus notch</TD><TD>530 (about)</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>059</TD><TD>Worrel Bob</TD><TD>10.5</TD><TD>22 x 24</TD><TD>528 (about)</TD><TD>Separate building shared with garage and 2nd floor storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>060</TD><TD>Crick Stewart</TD><TD>9.5</TD><TD>22 x 23</TD><TD>506</TD><TD>2.5 car garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>061</TD><TD>Cox Steve</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>20 x 25</TD><TD>500</TD><TD> Attached garage with no cars </TD></TR><TR><TD>059</TD><TD>Lawson Denny</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>22 x 22</TD><TD>484</TD><TD>Attached garage shared with cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>062</TD><TD>Valentine Carole</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>22 x 22</TD><TD>484</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>064</TD><TD>Cori Kent</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>21 x 23</TD><TD>483</TD><TD>2 car garage shared with cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>065</TD><TD> Ketron Jim</TD><TD>8 and 10</TD><TD>20 x 24</TD><TD>480</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>065</TD><TD>Page Bruce</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>20 x 24</TD><TD>480</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>065</TD><TD>Stafford Michael</TD><TD>8.5</TD><TD>20 x 24</TD><TD>480</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>068</TD><TD>Bumbalough Phil</TD><TD>8 (about)</TD><TD>19.5 x 23</TD><TD>448</TD><TD>Attached 2 car garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>069</TD><TD>Hanna Kelly</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>20 x 22</TD><TD>440</TD><TD>Attached garage -with car when it hails</TD></TR><TR><TD>070</TD><TD>Blaine Richard</TD><TD>9-10</TD><TD>18 x 24</TD><TD>432</TD><TD>Attached to back of garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>071</TD><TD>Hancock John</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>20 x 21</TD><TD>420</TD><TD>A little over half a detached 3.5 car garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>072</TD><TD>Montgomery Aaron</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>16 x 26</TD><TD>416</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>073</TD><TD>Cioffi John</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>20 x 20</TD><TD>400</TD><TD>Garage (Is it shared with cars?)</TD></TR><TR><TD>073</TD><TD>Sproul Tim</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>20 x 20</TD><TD>400</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>075</TD><TD>Nedeljko Mathew</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>19 x 21</TD><TD>399</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>075</TD><TD>Padilla Chris</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>18 x 20-24</TD><TD>396</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>077</TD><TD>Fitzsimonds Roger</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>16 x 24</TD><TD>384</TD><TD>Detached barn with computers upstairs</TD></TR><TR><TD>077</TD><TD>Konopka Rich</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>16 x 24</TD><TD>384</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>077</TD><TD>Lanman Travis</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>16 x 24</TD><TD>384</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>077</TD><TD>Summers George</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>16 x 24</TD><TD>384</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>081</TD><TD>Heppeard Greg</TD><TD>8 to 12 cathedral</TD><TD>17 x 22</TD><TD>374</TD><TD>With an adjacent 5x22 porch</TD></TR><TR><TD>082</TD><TD>Diemer Jack</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>364</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>083</TD><TD>LaRussa Tom</TD><TD>8' 4"</TD><TD>18 x 20</TD><TD>360</TD><TD>2/3 of 3 car garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>083</TD><TD>Trantham Byron</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>18 x 20</TD><TD>360</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>081</TD><TD>Harbin Pete</TD><TD>8' 3"</TD><TD>17' 9" x 19' 3"</TD><TD>341</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>086</TD><TD>Reid Earl</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>14 x 24</TD><TD>336</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>087</TD><TD>Leetch Bart</TD><TD>7' 8"</TD><TD>13.5 x 24.5</TD><TD>327</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>088</TD><TD>Benkin Ellen</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>17.5 x 17.5</TD><TD>306</TD><TD>2 car garage -70 years old</TD></TR><TR><TD>089</TD><TD> Leshner Ken </TD><TD>?</TD><TD>12 x 25</TD><TD>264</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>090</TD><TD>Weber John</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>14 x 21</TD><TD>294</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>091</TD><TD>Turner Alan</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>14 x 19</TD><TD>266</TD><TD>Basement -two rooms</TD></TR><TR><TD>092</TD><TD>Shaffer Dave</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>12 x 22</TD><TD>264</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>093</TD><TD>Bischel Wes</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>15x18 less a 4x6 corner</TD><TD>250 (about)</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>094</TD><TD>DeHut Chris</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>11 x 22</TD><TD>242</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>095</TD><TD>Battagler Shawn</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>12 x 20</TD><TD>240</TD><TD>Half a 2 car garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>096</TD><TD>Shiverdecker Bruce</TD><TD>7' 1"</TD><TD>10 x 21</TD><TD>210</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>097</TD><TD>LaRue David</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>8 x 20</TD><TD>160</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>098</TD><TD>Hovde Bob</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>10 x 14</TD><TD>140</TD><TD>Addition to a garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>099</TD><TD>Monahan Pat</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>11' 8" x 11' 8"</TD><TD>137</TD><TD>Unheated shed (in Windsor Ontario)</TD></TR><TR><TD>100</TD><TD>Samuelson Wade</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>8 x 16</TD><TD>128</TD><TD>Attached to garage. Shared with freezer</TD></TR><TR><TD>101</TD><TD>Johnson Ray</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>10 x 12</TD><TD>120</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>102</TD><TD>Morris Ralph</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>10 x 10</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>103</TD><TD>Zimmerman Keith</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>3 x 4.5</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>Walk-in closet</TD></TR></TABLE>

[Chris Padilla]

Frank,

A couple tricks I learned when posting tables:

(1) Use the preview button to see how things will look
(2) Elimnate all spaces and lines...cram everything together so it is almost impossible to see anything and edit it
(3) Keep a separate file of all the html coding in Notepad or Wordpad and use cut and paste
(4) Keep playing with the preview to find other little nuances.
(5) Also, when you edit the original post, you won't find your html commands, just the table itself...replace it with your saved file in (3) because if you directly edit it, it will be moved down in spacing.

The reason you have problems with tables is that you are posting under another html command (I forget the name of it) and it messes up the spacings so you need to elimnate all the lines or many of them.

Doing that Bessey GB thing was quite challenging. You might just post an Excel spreadsheet if you don't want to deal with it.

[Frank Pellow]

I have decided not to maintain this version of the table any longer.

[Frank Pellow]

Table? Where's the table? :)

It's there. I expect that you did not look down far enough. There is a lot of empty space before the table that I can't figure out how to get rid of. Any help from HTML experts would be appreciated.

[Jim Becker]

You can add that my shop is also a separate outbuilding, although fomerly a 3 1/2 car garage. (Building is 21' x 44' total) It has an unfinished upper floor, if that is relevant.

[Chris DeHut]

Thank for the chart. When we setup our shop for filming the magazine, we found that the typical shop (at the time of our surveys) was about 10 x20. I can see that by the posters here, the typical (or average) shop is much larger. Perhaps it is time for us to re-do our studio to closer reflect that of home shops and make it BIGGER!

Chris DeHut

[Martin Lutz]

My shop is 32' X 50' w/ catherdral ceiling. Max height 13'6". It is a seperate bldg and also has 12' X 50' lumber storage.

Thanks for putting this together the info is very interesting.

[Jim Becker]

Chris, I'm not sure that the "average" shop is a lot bigger. Remember, that the sampling that Frank is working from is a) not scientifically/statistically valid and b) there are a number of "pros" and more-than-serious woodworkers represented on the list. I think that your "one car garage" setup is probably more in line with the true majority of hobbyist woodworking setups, even in the total SMC membership community which is currently thousands of people, rather than the few dozen that responded to the original thread as well as additions in this one. What you might consider doing is adding considerations to the projects, such as, "If you have a shop larger than our typical one-car garage area, you can (do something a different way)..."

[Wes Bischel]

Thanks for compiling this Frank, that's a lot of work.

I'm not surprised to find my basement shop would be near the bottom - 15' x 18' with a 4' x 6' cedar closet notched out of one corner - roughly 250 sqft. It works for me - hopefully - if I get to building it, a play room will stand next to it so I can entice the little man into the shop and building things at an early age. :p

Wes

[Dave Right]

:( I responded to that thread and am on page 4 of the thread but did
not see mine listed. I'll get over it. Just kidding.
For the info -- my building is separate 30 x 40 - 2 story 8 ft ceiling and wish they were 10 ft.

[Chris Padilla]

Dave,

You said two floors?? Wow! Start notching those joists! Ha, ha...j/k.... :)

[Dave Right]

Wish I had found this forum before I built it 2 years ago! I would have done things different.

[Steve Clardy]

Looks great Frank. My ceiling height is 10'

Steve

[keith zimmerman]

So, do I win an small award for having the smallest space? :D

keithz

[Jim Ketron]

Frank my ceiling is 8' at walls then at 4' off wall it goes up to 10'
mostly 10' ceiling
Jim

[Greg Heppeard]

22 x 22 footprint but 22 x 17 workable area...5' front porch on shop. 8' to bottom of open rafters and 12' to the peak. Wooden floors (easier on the feet)

[Jim Becker]

So, do I win an small award for having the smallest space?
Absolutely...Mr Marino will give you 10% off on a single purchase of three Festool tools...oh, that's the regular price. Sheesh! It was a thought... :D

[Ken Fitzgerald]

Frank....you can add my new shop to your poll......30x24...720 sq.ft.....9'7" finished ceiling height........separate building

[Jim Baker]

Ceiling is around 7.5 feet. The shop is a separate building with two additional 12 x 48' storage areas.

[Ellen Benkin]

My workshop is 17.5' x 17.5' with almost 7' ceiling joists. It's a 70 year old 2 car garage that hasn't had a car in it in the 20 years I've lived here. Last year I had the concrete floor replaced (a nightmare) and all new electrical outlets installed (a real treat). While the electrician was running wire from the house to the garage, I also had him run phone wire for a phone. The stud walls are now insulated but, since the garage has a high roof, the insulation was just to make me feel better. The walls are covered in 1/2" plywood so I can mount things wherever I want to. I also had installed an openable sky light and an attic vent fan that works on a thermostat. The "shop" is big enough to store all my tools and equipment, but not quite big enough to work in. Luckily I'm in a climate where I can open the garage door and roll out the big tools when I want to.

Thanks for creating the list of shop sizes and specs. It is very interesting.

[Tom LaRussa]

I will update the table as additional posts are made to that thread or to this one.Frank,

Thanks for putting in all this effort!

Here are my stats: 18' x 20' x 8'4" (ceiling) for 360 square feet. It's 2/3 of a three car garage.

Interestingly, the lack of a fourth wall, i.e., between my shop and the part still used for a car, is both a blessing and a curse. It's a curse because it deprives me of another place for heavy duty, built-in shelves, but at the same time, by moving the car out it gives me ample run-off space for the table saw, planer, etc.

[JayStPeter]

Frank,

Pretty interesting. I expected lots more 400sf garages.

Mine is around 31x14 + 10x16 in an 'L'. If you count inches, it is 589sf. Basement with 9' ceilings.

Jay

[JayStPeter]

Absolutely...Mr Marino will give you 10% off on a single purchase of three Festool tools...oh, that's the regular price. Sheesh! It was a thought... :D

How long did it take you to narrow your list to just 3 :D

Jay

[JOHN HANCOCK]

Mine is about 20 X 21, a little over half of a detached 3 1/2 car garage, with an 8' ceiling. The other half is my wifes garage for the car and a wall of kitchen cabinets I salvaged. Sometimes, OK often, my stuff, usually wood, leaks over into her garage, but only temporarily of course. This goes on for a while until she threatens to send me on a dump run and I have to find a place for my stuff back on my side.

[Frank Pellow]

Frank,

A couple tricks I learned when posting tables:

(1) Use the preview button to see how things will look
(2) Elimnate all spaces and lines...cram everything together so it is almost impossible to see anything and edit it
(3) Keep a separate file of all the html coding in Notepad or Wordpad and use cut and paste
(4) Keep playing with the preview to find other little nuances.
(5) Also, when you edit the original post, you won't find your html commands, just the table itself...replace it with your saved file in (3) because if you directly edit it, it will be moved down in spacing.

The reason you have problems with tables is that you are posting under another html command (I forget the name of it) and it messes up the spacings so you need to elimnate all the lines or many of them.

Doing that Bessey GB thing was quite challenging. You might just post an Excel spreadsheet if you don't want to deal with it.

Thanks for the tips Chris. This evening I plan to "publish" a revised list with all the new input that I have received and will follow some of your suggestions.

Re your specific points:

1) I am already doing this

2) I will try this and hope that it gets rid of all the space at the front.

3) I was already keeping a separate file of the html coding

4) OK, I will try Preview some more

5) I did not know whether or not I would get the html back on Edit but played it safe in case I did not. That why I saved the file referenced in 3.

[Byron Trantham]

Frank,
I'm in a basement. It's about 18'x20' with 8' high ceiling (joists). I can just barely process a 4x8 sheet. I have no hopes of moving into a bigger shop. :mad:

[Chris Padilla]

Bryron, starting digging!! ;)

[Byron Trantham]

Bryron, starting digging!! ;)
I'll supply the beer, you bring the shovel! :D

[Pete Harbin]

I've got a two car finished garage (no cars.) 17' 9" by 19' 3", with 8' 3" ceilings. The shorter dimension is actually closer to 19' with the little step-up at the back of the garage. I do have a small bench, pegboard and my drill press on the step-up, but most of the space is dedicated to the furnace and water heater.

[Rich Konopka]

Frank:

My current space is in the basement and only 16x24 with 8 feet except where the ducks work:D

[Shawn Battagler]

I'm guessing 12'x20' --- 240sf. It's 1/2 of a 2 car garage w/ 8' ceiling. Plus I have the use of the rest of the garage in fair weather.

[Mathew Nedeljko]

Frank, thanks for compiling the data. Very interesting.

My new shop is 19x21, with 8' to the bottom of the ceiling joists, located in the basement.

[Frank Pellow]

I have updated the table in post #2 in this thread in order to reflect all the new information that people either sent to me or posted.

Please keep that information comming and I will update the table again (probably in a couple of days). Also, I expect that I made some mistakes, so if you find any, please tell me.

[Frank Pellow]

Frank, thanks for compiling the data. Very interesting.

My new shop is 19x21, with 8' to the bottom of the ceiling joists, located in the basement.

Sorry Mathew, I did not see this until after I posted the update. Your information will be in the next update.

[Wade Samuelson]

Two things:

1. Ray Johnson's shop should be ranked right behind Bruce Shiverdecker's; and

2. Two people on this forum have shops with more square footage than my house!! LOL!

[Frank Pellow]

Two things:

1. Ray Johnson's shop should be ranked right behind Bruce Shiverdecker's; and

...

No, the position is correct, I had the dimmensions wrong. That has been corrected.

Also, post #4 in this thread now contains the same information organized by ascending order of surname.

[Dean Baumgartner]

Frank,
I must have had a minor brain malfunciton, my shop is 30 x 30 not 20 x 30.

Dean

[Frank Pellow]

Frank,
I must have had a minor brain malfunciton, my shop is 30 x 30 not 20 x 30.

Dean

OK, I will correct it the next time I do an update. I wish that I could gain 300 sq ft for my shop just like that.

[Mark J Bachler]

9' height

Seperate Building

[John Renzetti]

Better late than never.
24 ft x 32 ft 768 sq ft. seperate building; 9 ft ceiling.
Wood storage age along the wall of attached garage. 3 x20' 9ft high.

take care,
John

[Bruce Shiverdecker]

Sorry Frank, I guess I missed some information for you. My little shop is in th basement and is 7'1" from the floor to the bottom of the main floor joists.

[Mark Singer]

Frank,
22x36....800sf Thanks!

[Steve Clardy]

Frank. Maybe PM Bobby Hatfield for his. His is around 20x100? 20x120? Can't remember for sure.

Steve

[Kent Cori]

Frank,

Mine is an attached two car garage that needs to actually house two cars every night. The working space is about 21' x 23'. The ceiling is 9 feet high.

[Frank Pellow]

John, Bruce, Kent, and both Marks thanks for the info. It will be in the next update (probably early next week).

[Dar Lounsbury]

My 2 spaces are not rectanglular but are about 25 x 20 each. About 1000 sq ft. One in the basement and the other being a 2 car garage without cars. Ceilings are 7'-6". No room to expand outside the house. It is crowded but , like many others, I get by.

[Frank Pellow]

I have just updated the table in post #2 in this thread.

But, I have decided to no longer maintain the version of the table that was shown in ascending order by surname and that was in post #4. So, I got rid of that table.

[Norman Hitt]

Gee Frank, guess I'm getting too slow reading and too fast posting, as I posted my shop size to the old post "Before" I read your post here that you weren't going to maintain the chart anymore. Anyhow, mine is a separate bldg, 25+' x 32+' with 11' tall sidewalls and approx 13' tall in the center, Plus a 5' x 20' shed under a continuation of the main building's roof line. 5' of the shed is walled off as a restroom opening into the shop & the rest is for the future installation of a DC Cyclone and an Air Compr., and gardening tools. (Approx 900 sq ft total)

Norman B. Hitt

[Frank Pellow]

Gee Frank, guess I'm getting too slow reading and too fast posting, as I posted my shop size to the old post "Before" I read your post here that you weren't going to maintain the chart anymore. Anyhow, mine is a separate bldg, 25+' x 32+' with 11' tall sidewalls, and a 5' x 20' shed under the same roof.

Norman B. Hitt

I am going to maintain the "chart". There were previously two "charts", both containing the same information but organized differently. These were:


The one in post #2 was in descending order by shop size

The one in post #4 was in ascending order by surname
I will continue to update data in post #2 but will no longer maintain the stuff in post #4

[Dick Parr]

Frank, mine is a Seperate Building. Six feet from the attached garage to the house.

[Tom LaRussa]

Frank,

You don't have Terry Hatfield's stats in the summary. I found them on his website. Here they are:

"detached, dedicated 30 X 40 with 10’ ceilings"

HTH,

Tom

[Ken Garlock]

Hi Frank. That is an interesting and informative table you have constructed. It appears that my 24x24 is right in the middle of sizes.

If you want to fill in the ? on my entry. The ceiling is 10 ft. and it is a separate building with an attached yet-to-be-cleaned-up finishing room of 8x12in addition to the basic shop.

[Steve Stube]

I just want to say "Thank You Frank" for putting the data together in fine form. I'm sure it was a sizable task compiling all the bits and pieces that lingered in (me included as one of the slow responders).

[Nathan Hoffman]

Thought I would add my info:

Basement shop, 8' ceiling, 22 X 26 with a notch cut out, about 530 ft2. Big enough for now, but I don't have the equipment many of you others do .... yet:rolleyes:

[Ned Bulken]

Frank,
I just added to the 'shop characteristics' thread. (didn't spot it before). but I fall in the mid-range, at 1100 usable square feet on two levels .

[Frank Pellow]

Frank,
I just added to the 'shop characteristics' thread. (didn't spot it before). but I fall in the mid-range, at 1100 usable square feet on two levels .

This is the Shop Characteristics thread -you provided the info in the Shop Size thread. Nevertheless, thanks; I will include it in the next update.

By the way 1,100 square feet puts your shop into 12th place out of 80 shops which is in the upper range, not the mid range.

[Frank Pellow]

As of the 6th of October, 87 shops are listed. This is 8 more than were included in last week's list.

The list is in post #2 in this thread.

Keep the statistics comming folks ...

[Keith Outten]

My Shop,

Detached, dedicated, 24 by 36 two story with shop office upstairs. Ceilings are 9.5 feet.

[John Bush]

Detached, dedicated, 1560 sqft two floors, used recycled old barn, infloor hat water heat.

[John Bush]

Detached, dedicated, 1560 sqft two floors, used recycled old barn, infloor hat water heat.

[Don Abele]

Frank, not sure how I missed this post for so long. My shop is in an attached 2 car garage with electric heat and a/c. One bay is 11x21 with a 10 foot ceiling and the other bay is 12x25 with an 8 foot ceiling.

Be well,

Doc

[Dave Shaffer]

Dedicated 12x22 garage. 8' rafters. 264 sq ft

[Pat Monahan]

Hello Frank
Thought I would give you my stats - 11'8'' x 11'8" , 137 square feet, 8' ceiling, no heat. I built the shed before I really got into ww. I don't have space for the lawnmower anymore - it stays under the overhang, under a tarp for the winter. Seems to me, one of the reasons for building the shed was to get it ( and other stuff ) inside! Thanks for the interesting chart.
Pat

[Bob Johnson]

Hi Frank,

Mine is a basement shop, four rooms separated by open stud walls. The rooms are 13x28, 12x22, 12x17, and 6x15 with 9 foot ceilings. Plus 3.5x10 lumber storage under the stairs. I only have a 36 inch door to the outside (plus the stairs going up) - have to watch how big things are so I can get them in or out.

Bob

[Ted Harris]

Hello Frank,
Been a while since I have been back here, but here goes.
My shop is attached to the house and is dedicated to my craft. It is a remodeled
3-car garage and now only has one garage door that is 12'x 7'. There is an entrance to the shop through the utility room and also a side entrance. The building is a 2 floor (1.5 story) Cape Cod style building that measures 31' X 21' X 8 inside dimensions. The upstairs serves as my office and photo studio. It has a 1/2 bathroom, and some storage space. The usable square footage for the shop downstairs is 651 sq' and upstairs is 325 sq'. The first floor has electric heat, A/C, and humidity control. The upstairs has propane heat and A/C.

[Ken Leshner]

Mine is currently one bay of an attached two car garage, approximately 12x25. I've almost convinced the LOML to give me the other half of the garage. Wish me luck.

[Joe Breid]

Hello Frank,

My shop is in the basement and has in-floor heat to keep the dust out of the house. It has an 8' garage door for outside access. The ceiling height is 8' There are two sections 25x25 and 11x30 for a total of 955 square feet.

Joe

[nic obie]

Hi Frank,

I suppose it's time I gave you my vital statistics (he he).

Shop is 25x25 with a 9 foot ceiling. DC and air compressor are outside.

[Robert Ducharme]

Haven't been keeping up with posts lately so sorry I am late.

Shop is 6000 sq ft separate building with 16-22' ceiling, office, bathroom, and paint room. 50' x 100' with an additional 1000' above paint room and office.

[Wade Samuelson]

Ray Johnson's shop is still either in the wrong place or has the wrong dimensions listed...if anybody cares.

[Frank Pellow]

Ray Johnson's shop is still either in the wrong place or has the wrong dimensions listed...if anybody cares.

Of course, I care and I have written a note to Ray in order to get things cleared up.

[Frank Pellow]

Haven't been keeping up with posts lately so sorry I am late.

Shop is 6000 sq ft separate building with 16-22' ceiling, office, bathroom, and paint room. 60' x 100' with 1000' above paint room and office.


WOW! That could consume several of the shops that most the rest of us have. Have you got pictures of it posted somewhere?





(added by later edit)

I see that you have just posted some in the http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=12768 thread that you started. The place looks as big in the pictures as I though it would. Hey, I like the wood racks too.

[Frank Pellow]

I have updated the table in post #2 in this thread. The shops of 99 members are now listed.

[Todd Burch]

Well I guess I'll be #100!

30 X 40, 1,200 square feet detached garage with about the same sf'age in storage in the attic. No, cars do not park in it. 8' ceiling.

[Bob Worrel Jr.]

Frank
Here's my shop info. Or at least what it will be when finished. I'm siding it now and can't wait to get inside. I had a concrete contractor do the footings and flat work. I'm doing the rest. Well, with a little help from my son and son-in-law. The whole building is 24' deep by 44' long. There are 2 garage bays on the left. The shop is on the right side... It's 22' by 24' deep. The ceilings are 10'-6". There is shop storage on the second floor, 12' by 44'.
That's it for now.

[Steve Clardy]

Wow. Looks like Robert has beat me out on top dog shop footage. [May need to ad on again?] Lol

Robert. What do you HEAT with?
Steve

[Greg Narozniak]

Mine is an attached two and ½ car garage . One bay is 11' x 23' and the other bay is 11' x 32' , I think it is close to 600sqft and the ceiling is 8 feet high. I have to clean it and then I will post some pics :)

Thanks!

Greg

[Kelly C. Hanna]

Frank, you can mine to the mix...22'x20'x10' attached garage and part time home to one car when it hails

[Frank Pellow]

I have updaterd the table in post #2 in this thread.

The pace of new entries is slowing down a lot. Only four new shops have been added in the last two weeks.

Also, thanks advise from to Dennis Peacock, there are now lines dividing the cells in the table.

[John M. Cioffi]

Hi Frank,

I cannot remember if I joined in on this,or not.
Anyway, could you add my stats to the roster?
My shop is a 2-car garage 20x20x8.4" in height. I gutted it out & built a shop. My wife was happy to let me have the whole thing.
Thanks,:)
John

[Frank Pellow]

Hi Frank,

I cannot remember if I joined in on this,or not.
Anyway, could you add my stats to the roster?
My shop is a 2-car garage 20x20x8.4" in height. I gutted it out & built a shop. My wife was happy to let me have the whole thing.
Thanks,:)
John

John, just look for a shop of your size in the list in post #2. You are there, tied for 73rd place.

[larry merlau]

Wow. Looks like Robert has beat me out on top dog shop footage. [May need to ad on again?] Lol

Robert. What do you HEAT with?
Steve

hey steve he just uses his scraps, that why it so large, he is a big time operator :D by the way did you get the name i sent you in the p-message?

[Steve Clardy]

hey steve he just uses his scraps, that why it so large, he is a big time operator :D by the way did you get the name i sent you in the p-message?
Got it Larry. I'll get back with you.:D