2009 Grizzly Catalog Prices..

[Brad Bartley]

I just received my 2009 Grizzly catalog today. Looks like the prices are going up at least 10-15% across the board. Here's the price increase on the items that I've had sitting in my Grizzly website shopping cart for the last 10 to 12 months.

MODEL...... 2008.......... 2009....... INCREASE
G0605X....$1,995.00.... $2,195.00 ... (+$200) (12" TS)
G0490X....$1,050.00.... $1,195.00.... (+$145) (8" Jointer w/Spiral)
G0453Z....$1,295.00.... $1,495.00.... (+$200) (15" Planer w/Spiral)
G0514X2..$1,295.00.... $1,395.00.... (+$100) (19" Bandsaw Extreme)
G1066Z....$1,795.00.... $1,995.00.... (+$200) (24" Sander w/VS)
G0440......$745.00...... $995.00........(+$250) (2HP Cyclone)

Shipping has been reduced by about $5 on most items.

Over the last month or two energy and commodities have fallen off of a cliff, so I'm not sure if that was after these prices were established or not. The cost of my dream shop goes up $1100 in less than five days...time to pull the trigger. Maybe these tools will appreciate more than my 401k over the next few years.

[Ed Kilburn]

The web site shows the 2008 prices, you better get ordering before NYE.

[glenn bradley]

Discussions of the 2009 increase are what got my G0440 here before Christmas. The money I saved ordering early will take a big bite out of the cost of ducting. If you work it out I think you'll find that in some cases you can buy on credit and pay it off with interest and still come out ahead.

[Kelly C. Hanna]

Wow....bad timing all these companies going up in price. Almost everythig I have bought new in the last year has gone down considerably right before I bought it...lucky me I guess.

[Clint Winterhalter]

The company I work for buys a fair amount from China. Our suppliers are telling us that material costs are going DOWN.. I'm surprised to see the jump.. Unfortunate.:confused:

[Andy Casiello]

Shiraz Balolia posted here a couple months ago letting us know that costs have gone up and therefore prices would be going up for 2009. That news, tied with the MS cashback incentive moved a bunch of Grizzly gear (some into my shop). I still need a G0440 - guess I'll have to suck it up (pun) and pay the increase...

[Tony Bilello]

I dont see how woodworking tool sales (small shop and hobby level) are doing any better than most of the economy. I suspect that any tool company increases were planned before the sky fell in. Most economists predict the sky will continue to fall for a while. Maybe their prices will go up but will be offset by large discount sales.
A large percentage of the population if not already out of work is in fear of being unemployed. Christmas sales have plunged.
I was going to by a large sander for about $2K or so. I put it off temporarily. If they should have an irrestable, then I will buy one.

Clint......what company do you work for?

[Noah Vig]

News of price increases on the way and the cashback got me to move on a Grizzly G0453 planer and Byrd head. Now I just have to figure out what size bearings I need to order.

[Chip Lindley]

*THE GRIZ* may wisely put tools on *SALE* during '09, due to our poor economy. Don't BITE on those *list prices* just yet....

[Jeffrey Makiel]

Since Grizzly basically publishes prices once a year, the cost increases that we see for 2009 may be partially caused by material and fuel cost hikes in mid 2008 which Grizzly may have had to absorb.

As stated earlier in this thread, Grizzly could always run special sales to reflect the rapid changes in material, fuel and economic conditions.

It must be difficult to publish an annual catalog these days. You would have to be a sorcerer of sorts.

-Jeff :)

[Marcus Ward]

The company I work for buys a fair amount from China. Our suppliers are telling us that material costs are going DOWN.. I'm surprised to see the jump.. Unfortunate.:confused:

You must be lucky to work for a company that can produce products and instantly ship them to the customer with no lead time if you're surprised by this. I'm sure goods sold during 2009 were produced during the previous year when commodities were expensive.

[Andy Casiello]

Since it is relevant to this thread, I'll quote Shiraz (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?p=957655#post957655):


Prices WILL increase. Our costs already have gone up substantially and we have not passed them on to our customers this year. I strongly suggest that if you are wanting to buy a machine, buy it before Dec 31, 2008. This is not a sales gimmick.

I will not be specific about what and how much, but the biggest culprits for the cause have been the increases in cost of cast iron and other materials as well as the decrease in the value of our dollar against various currencies.

This is a courtesy posting.

[Sean Rainaldi]

I dont see how woodworking tool sales (small shop and hobby level) are doing any better than most of the economy. I suspect that any tool company increases were planned before the sky fell in. Most economists predict the sky will continue to fall for a while. Maybe their prices will go up but will be offset by large discount sales.
A large percentage of the population if not already out of work is in fear of being unemployed. Christmas sales have plunged.
I was going to by a large sander for about $2K or so. I put it off temporarily. If they should have an irrestable, then I will buy one.

Clint......what company do you work for?

That’s what happened during the great depression. One reason why the country stayed in it for so long, was because prices of durable goods did not necessarily go down, in fact many sectors saw price increases. This went on while money and jobs became scarce, and credit grinded to a halt and ultimately many businesses closed permanently because people could not afford to buy their stuff. For grizzly’s sake I hope they can stay open even if their sales drop 30-50 percent over the next 1-2 years.

Look at car sales – down 40 percent with no sign of going back up any time soon, and this is even when car dealers are selling at near dealer invoice. And cars are necessary items, hobby tools are luxury items, like boats, RV’s etc.

I hope grizzly can stay in business with these higher prices for the next two years, because I absolutely love my grizzly machines. Even if they do stay in business they may have to downsize a bit to keep the doors open if they are going to sell at the higher prices. maybe cut back on staff. IMHO the US economy has at least a year or more to go before we start crawling out of this major recession or small depression mess – what ever one chooses to call it…

Many factories in China are closing down – toy makers in particular I saw a story on ABC, because folks in the west have really clamped down on spending.

When you see pawn shops in west palm beach buying up used 5000 dollar suits and art work because the millionaires are going broke and trying to raise some quick cash, selling their mansions at fire sale prices, then you know there is a big problem when the rich are going broke…

[Jeffrey Makiel]

Sean....very well said.

To compound the economic downturn, the average hobbyist woodworker's age is getting older. That is, fewer young folks are coming onboard. A poll on this forum, and others, has proved it. This can also be seen with other physical hobbies as well, such as model kits, radio control, model railroading, doll house making, sewing, etc.

I think the heyday of woodworking is right now. So many companies, big and small, have been introducing innovative woodworking products in the last few years. Unfortunately, the recent downturn will likely curtail this innovation as disposable income, or the fear of job loss, becomes prevalent. In the long run, disinterest by young folks and the lack of new blood will be the big issue.

I just depressed myself (again).


-Jeff :)

[Tim Marks]

somebody with a catalog (hope mine is in the mail) mind looking up to see what the new cost of a G0602 metal lathe will be?

Anybody see any new products in the catalog? I remember last year's catalog brought a number of new toys to the table.

[Ed Hazel]

somebody with a catalog (hope mine is in the mail) mind looking up to see what the new cost of a G0602 metal lathe will be?


$$1050.00
stand $189.95
my new cat came today

[Bob Landel]

Marcus, Nowadays most people buy inventory/parts on a "just in time basis" especially the way pricing was increasing during the first part of 2008. I export to China. You would be amazed how quickly pricing fell when the demand soured.

[Bob Landel]

Andy, it looks like Shiraz's (the Grizzly owner) post was sent 10/31/08. I'm sure he also had his 2009 catalog close or in printing by then. A lot! has changed since that time. It will be interesting to see how the next year or so plays out. I'm guessing at least five years before the economy looks good again.

However to play it safe, for those who want something from Grizzly, buy prior to 12/31/08

[Andrew Joiner]

I'm getting ready to order a machine. Grizzly is on the list.

I had a woodworking business from 1970 to 1990. We had record high inflation rates in 70's and 80's.The 1981 recession was the worst recession since the great depression.
Many times I would bid a job,then 2 or 3 months later when I ordered material it was much higher than when I bid.

We all got use to it.

My suppliers stopped printing catalogs with prices.

I would have to tell clients "this price is good for one week"

Sometimes on a big time consuming job when it was time to get paid ,the client would say "is it still X$ or did it go up?"

Come to think of it my business did well and even grew during those times. Thank God I didn't know much about inflation,interest rates and recessions or I might have quit trying so hard!

My gut feeling is new machinery prices will drop or stay the same. If not used machinery will become more attractive for me.
There are lots of woodworking shops that bought on credit or leased machines and these shops don't have much work. The high volume of used machines that will need to be sold will hurt new machinery sales,so new prices should drop.

I'm retired now so I can wait to buy.

[Dick Strauss]

Some businesses didn't pass on upstream cost increases for raw materials (or possibly they only passed on a small portion of cost increase so they didn't scare their customers). Others thought the prices would continue to climb and locked in prices at levels higher than today's price through hedging. Grizzly's price change may be incremental to offset higher costs they have been seeing for 9 months to recoup some of their lost margin.

The cost of steel, oil, nat gas, copper, and many other commodities have dropped significantly from their highs in the last few months. Shipments of some raw materials are not being picked up at the docks in China due to a lack of demand. This all means that input costs are going back down in a hurry. Hopefully we will see tool prices drop back down in the next six months or so.

As an example...copper has come down from almost $4/lb to $1.30/lb today. However, the input cost reductions have not shown up in the finished good like wire yet. The industrial wire suppliers are making a big deal of a 15% reduction when their material input costs have been cut by over 65% from their high.

[Rick Fisher]

Some of what you are seeing is currency values. The USD took a beating last year and although it has rebounded somewhat, the prediction is that it will drop off again in the new year.

Currency devaluation causes rampant inflation. The offset to the inflation numbers has been falling house prices. It hides reality. 2008 was a horrible year for the North American economy, 2009 will be the year that we really feel the effects of it.

I agree that there could be some specials in 2009. When I looked at the last Mini-Max sales flyer, I felt like I was looking at panic, not promotion.

My business is off 20% from 2007 and I expect it will fall another 20% in 2009. We have laid off over 40 people in the last 5 months and after new years, another dozen people will be let go.

Woodworking machinery from China and Taiwan is produced fast. 30 days from date of order is not uncommon.

Expect to see more specials like the one on the Jet Mortiser in 2009.

[Butch Edwards]

my 2cents....
theres' too many good,used tools out there to be handcuffed by new-tool prices. personally, I buy used whenever possible. in bad times like these, folks are/may be selling-out, and that potentually means bargains on decent,well maintained equiptment. as for cost increases on new stuff, my friend just bought a new (list: $699)Jet 14" bandsaw for under 5 bills...closer to 4 bills...thats' a tremendous savings, after 2 rebates= $100 . he bought it from a company(CPO Tools in Atlanta) for what the dealers were paying for them(we asked the local dealer)...and shipped to his door for $29 !!! hard times CAN make for good deals...so his sale MAY be the wave in the near future, as there's warehouses full of imported Chinese tools in this country, not moving. someone mentioned rthe auto industry.. their prices WILL have to drop like a rock, if they want to increase production. it's a buyers market for the foreseeable future, that's a fact!!!

[Andy Casiello]

Andy, it looks like Shiraz's (the Grizzly owner) post was sent 10/31/08. I'm sure he also had his 2009 catalog close or in printing by then. A lot! has changed since that time. It will be interesting to see how the next year or so plays out. I'm guessing at least five years before the economy looks good again.

However to play it safe, for those who want something from Grizzly, buy prior to 12/31/08

Yeah, I agree that things looked different back then, and the financial picture was different back then. It will be interesting to watch what happens with pricing and discounts over the next year with Grizzly and other manufacturers. I've got most of my big shop purchases done now, so I can sit tight and make sure I'm making the right purchase at the right time when I get my cyclone DC. (I've got two 1HP units that will work unit then).

[Greg Pavlov]

I just received my 2009 Grizzly catalog today. Looks like the prices are going up at least 10-15% across the board..........

Over the last month or two energy and commodities have fallen off of a cliff, so I'm not sure if that was after these prices were established or not. .......

People already pointed out that the value of the dollar is going down again...not unexpected, when we spend a heck of a lot more than we take in. But another factor is that labor costs are increasing in China as the gov't has begun to enforce labor laws that it generally ignored up to now (and put new ones in effect as well).

[Tim Marks]

$$1050.00
stand $189.95
For only a $55 price increase, I guess I can afford to wait until I can actually afford to buy it. I was afraid of more like a 15% price hike.

[Christopher Kanda]

What is the price of the 1029Z?

[Noah Vig]

G1029Z is $299.00 plus $69 shipping.

[Andrew Joiner]

Papa Grizz may get mad at me for this. One thing that holds down prices is COMPETITION!

G1029Z is $299.00 plus $69 shipping. Harbor Freight has a 2HP DC that people say is identical the G1029Z but cheaper. I would buy from HF since they have a store near me for no shipping and easy returns.

[Tim Marks]

G1029Z is $299.00 plus $69 shipping. Harbor Freight has a 2HP DC that people say is identical the G1029Z but cheaper.
The 1029Z is on sale until Dec 31st, making it $259 + $76 shipping.

The HFDC is $250, unless you have a special coupon. I personally would be disappointed with what I got if I paid that much for it. I have one, and I paid $160 for it... and it was (barely) worth it.

The Grizzly has a 2.5 micron bag; I bet the HFDC has a 2.5 cm bag.... The Grizzly has a 6" inlet. the HFDC has a 5". I don't remember what size the HFDC impeller is, but I seem to remember it was smaller then the 10" impeller on the grizzly (which is also undersized).

That all being said, even if they are the same, pay another $200 and get a better DC; maybe the G0548 (which has a canister and a 12" impeller).

[Steve Schoene]

Prices are not just caused or determined by the costs of production, or the foreign exchange value of the dollar. Those things influence the willingness of the seller/importer to sell goods. But, the demand for those products is a fully equal determinate of the price, particularly when we are talking about relatively short periods of time. My bet--10% price increases on woodworking tools offered for sale will lead to a sharp reduction in the quantity sold. Manufacturers would be likely to respond to that reduction by offering sales, coupons, and promotions to lower the near term price, while they see what the ultimate price will have to be without establishing the appearance of a new lower standard price. I'd bet by mid-summer tools will be able to be purchased at prices less than what they were offered at in 2008. In otherwords, I doubt the price increase will hold.

[Cary Falk]

I'm not sure if anybody noticed but there were quite a few things that were cheeper in the 2008 catalog than in the 2007. From what it sounds like prices won't be too much more than in 2007. I would guess there will be sales with 2008 prices. I have a couple of pieces that I would like to purchase but it just can't happen before the end of the year. The prices will likely drop on the website if the economy does not improve soon.

[Duncan Horner]

I don't remember what size the HFDC impeller is, but I seem to remember it was smaller then the 10" impeller on the grizzly (which is also undersized).


Grizzly 1029Z Impeller is 12"

http://www.grizzly.com/images/specsheets/g1029z_ds.pdf

:D

EDIT, thought I had conflicting impeller size, reading the wrong spec sheet, all is good at 12" :)

[Ray Newman]

I received my '09 Grizzly catalogue yesterday.Sadly I could recall when 90% of such equipment was made in No. America.

Briefly looked through it this afternoon. Saw a comment on p. 144:

"Please note that we have been selling this reliable Taiwanese made machine for 26 years. Recently some of the mainland Chinese copies have hit the market--Please assure yourself of the quality difference."

Probably the same thing that Delta, Powermatic, General, etc., said about Grizzly & other Taiwanese imports in the early 1980's....

Going to be interesting to see what happens to domestic & foreign manufacturing in ‘09....

[Tim Marks]

Grizzly 1029Z Impeller is 12"
Good catch.

I misunderstood the parts list, which said that the 1029 and 1028Z are 10". Looks like there is a good reason to buy the 1029Z over the 1029 besides the 2.5 micron bag.

So their is a significant difference between the HFDC and the 1029Z. My money would still be on something a little more sturdy.

Did grizzly add any milling machines to their lineup this year?