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    What do you use to supply air for air assist

    I'm thinking of connecting up the air assist on my laser.

    Can someone suggest what air supply I should use.

    I thought the other day someone said they were using a compressor...

    I have two available but thought I should find out what others are using.

    I think iot will be handy when my laser is back in action...


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    Hi Roy,

    This is what I use, it is an oil-less, aquarium, piston pump, cheap as chips from China and despite all the bad reports of Chinese stuff this works extremely well and I am really pleased with it.



    They are available on eBay in varying sizes with differing flow rates - take a look.

    Paul.
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    I use Porter Cable "Job Boss", 4.5 gallon air compressor. It may be overkill, but it doesn't have to run all the time. I had another one, a different brand, and it was just 2 or 3 months old when it slowly lost pressure and quit, during the middle of a vectoring job! Even over the noise of the laser and the exhaust, I was able to notice it and stop the laser. I try to pay attention to all the noises to make sure everything "sounds" right. We got the other one repaired, but since I "borrowed" the Porter Cable from my husband, I guess it's considered "mine" now?

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    Here's a recent thread on the same topic. There have been several others so a search would be worthwhile.

    http://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=143177
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    Mine is a dual piston "medical style" that has very good strength for this purpose. The hiss from output of the nozzle is much more noise than the compressor running. It gets hot though and the tiny little air hose gets too hot to hold but that is probably normal for this kind of thing.

    I always turn on my blowers and compressors before starting a job. I worry that the surge current needed to start compressors might be enough to electrically 'bump' the laser as it is drawing current too. I prefer to not use a compressor that will shut off and on while I am using the laser. Of course a nice 230V shop air system on a private circuit would mitigate any problems, but sharing a blower, compressor and high powered laser on a single 20A circuit could be cause for concern when the air is turning off and on and drastically changing the load.


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    something like this, but a tad bigger.
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    Wouldn't an air pump be enough

    I like the idea of an air pump. Piston powered even better.

    cgi.ebay.com/Piston-Septic-Air-Pump-Aerator-70-lpm-AFFORDABLE-/330446650886?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&ha sh=item4cf027be06

    And even bigger one:

    cgi.ebay.com/Piston-Septic-Air-Pump-Aerator-110-lpm-AFFORDABLE-/380246651978?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&ha sh=item588877744a

    It also has the same end (3/8") as the epliog Legend 24EX that I have.

    Wouldn't this be enough for air assist? And you can use it for your septic tank and koi pond as well.

    There are a lot of used Gast pumps including this one.
    cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130403927332&fromMakeT rack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:enWhat to do.....
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    I use a 33-gl Craftsman... noisy as a beast, and it takes 8 minutes to refill from empty, but I can get an hour of laser timer between refills using around 10psi.
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    Dan,
    The 10 PSI is that controlled at the laser or compressor.
    Also what size hose is connected to the compressor.
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    Since the laser dial is hard to get to, I set the dial at the laser for 10psi... that way I only have to open the flow at the compressor a "handful" of turns. The hose is a standard 3/4", 50' black rubber hose from Sears... very flexible, and at such a low pressure I don't worry about pressure loss due to hose flexure. It all runs to a moisture trap and dessicant unit just before entering the laser.
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    I used a big cast Iron shop compressor for a while. Could run a long time before it kicked in and refiled the tank.

    I got back into woodworking so I needed my compressor back so I broke down and picked up the one sold by epilog. That is one nice little compressor. Its very quite and has lots of built-in protections. I wired a sensor to the air selonoid on my Epilog and only turns on when the laser turns on the air assist.

    It puts out more than the 30PSI rated on the laser so I run it through a regulator and moisture seperator.

    Works great but a little pricey.

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    A cheap compressor is probably right at hand.. Years ago, I pulled one out of a scrap household deep freezer.. They are designed to run long and fairly quiet. The one I scavenged, was fed into a small receiver (a old scuba tank), and used to run a air powered pop rivet gun.. Once, just for the heck of it, I wanted to know how much pressure it would produce, so I just let it run building up pressure in the tank (rated for a working pressure of 2250 psi). The Little freezer compressor got to 300 psi, before I chickened out, and pulled the plug. These compressors are a sealed unit, and I had no idea of what was inside the sealed domed case, so I figured I better not push it far enough to maybe explode..
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    I am using a Gast Compressor. The price was right. It was FREE ! Can not believe what some Aerospace companies literally throw away. The only thing wrong with it was a frayed cord.......oh well I am not complaining !

    Only drawback is it has carbon vanes and you have to keep the little oil jar filled. Other than that its quiet and meant to be used continuous duty.
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    Anthony,

    I assume you're using an oil trap somewhere on your line? Even with a trap, though, there is still a mist of fine oil droplets in the line... not something I'd want to chance with my optics.
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    Thanks for the heads up Dan. Something I have not considered. But so far its been pretty clean operating (2 years) The air goes through built in filters and then one of those desiccant filters. It has a clear chamber and I see no unusual oil marks in there so I am assuming any oil is staying inside the machine.

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